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Yankee2718
09-25-2011, 23:31
How sick are you guys of getting issued guns that use ammo that costs a fortune, and then only get maybe 2 boxes of 50 from your dept to use for practice? I'm issued a 40 so I know I don't have it too bad, but I feel for the guys that are issued 45gap and 357sig. Shoot, even ACP is damn expensive now. Sometimes I wish they just gave me a 9mm and loaded it with the right ammo... Ranger T 127... GDHP 124+P.... HST 124/147+P... I dunno, I just have a hard time seeing significant differences between all the calibers. Not enough to warrant the extra cost of ammo. Especially when we a getting furloughed and OT cuts. But wait, we need new guns. Let's stick with 40. Ok rant off! Had to get that off my chest. :cool:


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SAR
09-25-2011, 23:36
The Department provides us range ammo to qualify with and duty ammo to carry. They also provide practice ammo for our live fire training days. Ammo is provided for any shooting we do on-duty. The only ammo I have to buy is ammo I use when I shoot on my own time.

They will not give us ammo to just go practice with... any ammo the Department provides has to be used at a Department sanctioned range or training location.

NMPOPS
09-25-2011, 23:43
I really don't see what the problem is. You are supplied with duty, qualification abd training ammo. What more do you need?

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DaBigBR
09-26-2011, 09:44
I don't see much price difference between calibers at the per box level in duty ammo. A lot of what you're paying for is QC, so I think proportionally duty ammo is cheaper between calibers by comparison.

Agent6-3/8
09-26-2011, 09:50
<----Would pay not to have to carry a .40... :whistling:



My last gig issued .45ACP's. We got duty ammo and qualification ammo. Had to buy or own practice ammo however. I'd be nice if a department would give you all the ammo you wanted, but in this economy, that hardly realistic unfortunately.

SCSU74
09-26-2011, 10:10
All our ammo is provided, but we are limited to 100 rds of practice ammo a month. I shoot a bit more than that and i agree it does get expensive.

Yankee2718
09-26-2011, 10:48
I really don't see what the problem is. You are supplied with duty, qualification abd training ammo. What more do you need?

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Yes, they provide duty ammo and practice ammo, but 100 rounds of practice ammo every other month is hardly adequate. I'd rather be issued 9mm and have the ability for more rounds to be bought for practice. Plus, when I want to shoot my duty gun for practice on my own time I get stuck paying 15 to 20 bucks a box of 50 for 40 cal when I could pay 20 bucks or so for 100 rounds of 9mm. That is my biggest issue with it.




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nitesite10mm
09-26-2011, 11:27
My department issues 180-gr HST for our issued G22s. This year I think I was handed four boxes of it last time. For practice ammo I was given I think 300 rounds of American Eagle 180-gr TC jacketed. If I want more practice ammo I can ask for it. It doesn't have to be shot in anyones presense.

Trouble is, I carry a 1911 so all the ammunition for it is at my expense, both duty carry and training. Same with my 9mm BUG. I don't expect my department to provide me with any of that ammo, as it is solely my choice and I consider myself fortunate to be allowed to exercise those options.

So I reload. Even cast my own bullets from the 500-lbs of wheel weights I currently have. My "training ammo" for 9mm or 230-gr .45s about $4.50/100 which is miniscule.

Since I have reloaded for years, and also reload for .38/.357, 10mmAuto, .44 Special, .223, .243, .270 and 12-ga and 20-ga I don't see that making my own ammo for police training is any bit of trouble as I'm already doing it anyway.

Now, if I didn't enjoy my hobby I would probably be somewhat frustrated as the original poster mentions.

DaBigBR
09-26-2011, 12:09
Yes, they provide duty ammo and practice ammo, but 100 rounds of practice ammo every other month is hardly adequate. I'd rather be issued 9mm and have the ability for more rounds to be bought for practice. Plus, when I want to shoot my duty gun for practice on my own time I get stuck paying 15 to 20 bucks a box of 50 for 40 cal when I could pay 20 bucks or so for 100 rounds of 9mm. That is my biggest issue with it.

I guess I misunderstood.

My department provides a box of duty ammo every few years. Your situation is not so bad.

OLY-M4gery
09-26-2011, 12:14
100 rounds of rifle and pistol ammo provided every time the range is open for practice shoots.

Which is every Monday.

Targets, ammo, eye+ear protection all provided by the department.

They provide duty ammo as well.

nitesite10mm
09-26-2011, 12:39
100 rounds of rifle and pistol ammo provided every time the range is open for practice shoots.

Which is every Monday.

Targets, ammo, eye+ear protection all provided by the department.

They provide duty ammo as well.


Suuhhhhhh-Weeeeet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jwhite75
09-26-2011, 12:46
Maybe try to get some of the guys on you rdept or close by to go in on a group buy. Buy it by the case, multi case, or pallet and the price improves quite a bit.

CanIhaveGasCash
09-26-2011, 13:11
We have two practice days a quarter where we can shoot all that we want. It would be more regulated if more people showed up, but since it is usually only a handful it is pretty easy to burn through 250 rounds.

Riggs83
09-26-2011, 13:45
We are issued .45's and they only give up the ammo to qualify with twice a year. They make us keep our JHP Gold Dots for a whole year....some of the rounds really look like hell when they finally issue us new Gold Dots. Bottom line is we have to provide all practice ammo and fight for range time with civilians at our own range!!! :steamed:

toddmog
09-26-2011, 14:33
We get 50 rounds of practice ammo 2 or 3 times a year. We also get ammo for quals. If you don't qual the first time though, ammo is on you. We usually shoot duty ammo for fall quals and get new then. I have to provide all my own rifle ammo, practice and duty.

sixgun2
09-26-2011, 14:42
All our ammo is provided, but we are limited to 100 rds of practice ammo a month. I shoot a bit more than that and i agree it does get expensive.
Well thats better a than a sharp stick in the eye. by the looks of the preceeding comments you have it better than most:wavey:

Goldendog Redux
09-26-2011, 14:48
While it is no free for all here, if you want to shoot, the ammo is there. Duty ammo gets shot up yearly. No complaints here. Obviously if you want to shoot 100 rounds a day in three different calibers, you are gonna have to buy your own.

MF

CJStudent
09-26-2011, 15:11
Wow. We get qual ammo once a year; also the only time we can shoot our duty weapons (they stay at the facility and are issued for armed posts (perimeter and outside escorts)).

Lt Scott 14
09-26-2011, 15:36
After retiring, I had enough ammo to outfit 5 guys for 2-3yrs worth of quals. Never wasted a weekend not working extra security jobs, or spending for a plasma tv I didn't use. Reloaded, bought, traded lot of different calibers to stay ahead of the game. Quals were once a year, at our option we could qual 2-3 times per year. Never depended on more than a 2 bx of 50 rds from the dept. It's only your life out on the street, do what you feel you should to keep the edge. Had to buy ammo a few weeks ago and at that price sold now, wish I'd kept back a little more.

Vigilant
09-26-2011, 16:02
Wow. We get qual ammo once a year; also the only time we can shoot our duty weapons (they stay at the facility and are issued for armed posts (perimeter and outside escorts)).

Same here. I don't practice nearly as much as I should either.

danielspdx
09-26-2011, 16:28
We get a box of practice ammo per month (50 ct. 9mm Federal 147gr hi-shok) and rifle ammo (50 rounds, or a few boxes of 20 ct. .223 Federal 55gr TRU). Of course we get ammo to qualify (three times per year, 50 round handgun qual and 25 round rifle qual) and also for in-service. In-service for handgun is part of regular in-service, and is maybe 150-300 rounds. Rifle in-service is a dedicated two day deal, and one may go through 750-1000 rounds during that two day in-service.

I would wager that 95%+ don't actually redeem their allotted monthly ammo allowance, but I do :)

ArmaGlock
09-26-2011, 16:51
I've come to terms with the fact that if I want to retain a higher level of proficiency with my duty gun (Glock 22) I will have to spend my own money on ammo. I don't really have an issue with .40, but I would rather carry 9mm.

We are supplied ammunition for duty, requals, and department provided training. You use to be able to get a little here and there to go to training on your own, but that's not very likely with all the budget cuts lately. I shoot at least once a month and it gets expensive, but it's worth it and necessary in my opinion.

I'm paying my way to a class in December and the damn ammo is going to cost more than the tuition!!

FM12
09-27-2011, 17:45
i get to shoot whatever I reload, on my own dime.

lawman800
09-28-2011, 13:50
All duty and off duty ammo supplied (3 mags +1 for duty, 2 mags +1 for off duty/backup, 2 cylinders if revolver for backup or off duty, more upon request). Duty and off duty ammo swapped out once a year for fresh ammo.

All range qualification ammo supplied (we qual 4x/year). 50 practice rounds a month supplied if you go to the academy range and sign for it and shoot it there.

Because policy mandates only one accepted ammo brand, and specific design (Ranger), they issue us everything we carry that is sanctioned by the department. We even had to switch out ammo when they switched the 45acp load from the regular to the +P load.

The only ammo I buy is if I want to carry extra mags/ammo or if I want to shoot on my own. I also keep an extra box of duty ammo in the warbag.

mrsurfboard
09-28-2011, 18:18
Range ammo for qualifications and duty ammo for carry, that's it. No practice ammo. Times are tough, I guess.

lndshark
09-28-2011, 19:11
Enough for 3 magazines +1 and a box of 50 for the duty bag. Same goes for BUG...actually, I've got a whole box for both BUGs that I'm qualified with (9mm & .380). Our FI actually handed me two boxes of .40, 9mm and one of .380 (American Eagle FMJ) last week...just for practice. I can't complain.

Chico Bill
09-28-2011, 19:35
We are issued 50rds of duty ammo per year and can purchase one or two additional boxes at cheapo dept prices. Qualification ammunition and any practice ammunition at department ranges are provided. We can purchase department ammunition for approved training classes, but not to go out and shoot wherever.

lawman800
09-28-2011, 19:55
[QUOTE=Chico Bill;17977576]We can purchase department ammunition for approved training classes, but not to go out and shoot.

How would they know what you do with your own privately bought ammo?

Agent6-3/8
09-28-2011, 21:32
My department issues 180-gr HST for our issued G22s. This year I think I was handed four boxes of it last time. For practice ammo I was given I think 300 rounds of American Eagle 180-gr TC jacketed. If I want more practice ammo I can ask for it. It doesn't have to be shot in anyones presense.

Trouble is, I carry a 1911 so all the ammunition for it is at my expense, both duty carry and training. Same with my 9mm BUG. I don't expect my department to provide me with any of that ammo, as it is solely my choice and I consider myself fortunate to be allowed to exercise those options.

So I reload. Even cast my own bullets from the 500-lbs of wheel weights I currently have. My "training ammo" for 9mm or 230-gr .45s about $4.50/100 which is miniscule.

Since I have reloaded for years, and also reload for .38/.357, 10mmAuto, .44 Special, .223, .243, .270 and 12-ga and 20-ga I don't see that making my own ammo for police training is any bit of trouble as I'm already doing it anyway.

Now, if I didn't enjoy my hobby I would probably be somewhat frustrated as the original poster mentions.


What's your opinion on putting reloads through a department issued weapon?


I reload aswell, but I've never been fortunate enough to work for a department that allows personal weapons for duty use. I've handloaded well over 10,000 rounds in my day and have never had a problem, but I'm a little reluctant to feed a department issued weapon my personal handloads for fear of my murphy showing up...

Chowser
09-28-2011, 22:28
guess i'm lucky. issued weapon is Glock 31. off duty weapons are:
Glock 19 in 9mm
Kahr CM9 in 9mm

the following in .357SIG:
Glock 32
Glock 33
HK USP Compact
HK P2000
SIG P239

Department supplies us with all training and duty ammo. We can go to the range anytime and shoot as long as a range officer is present. He's the one who has the key to the ammo room.

Hmmm...seeing as I just became the range master, I shoot pretty much whenever and how much I want.

It does get tiring though. Loading that many magazines takes the fun out of it. I usually load my spare range mags (I have at least 6-12 for each gun) throughout the week and then pick a day to shoot.

We usually buy 15,000 rds at the beginning of each year. I plan on phasing out our .380/.40/.45 ammo purchases since very few officers carry those calibers anymore and putting the money towards 9mm and .357SIG ammo.

nitesite10mm
09-28-2011, 23:31
What's your opinion on putting reloads through a department issued weapon?


I reload as well, but I've never been fortunate enough to work for a department that allows personal weapons for duty use. I've handloaded well over 10,000 rounds in my day and have never had a problem, but I'm a little reluctant to feed a department issued weapon my personal handloads for fear of my murphy showing up...

Ten-thousand rounds without a problem? I think you've got your answer.

A few of the officers on my dept (including my Chief) have shot a small amount of my .40 reloaded ammo thru Dept issued G22s, and they've also shot my ammo in some of their personally owned weapons (revolvers, AR-15s, etc) as well.

None have expressed any reservations, including my Chief. Any ammo I hand them is loaded on a single stage, in batches of 50 and every charge is visually inspected with a penlight in the loading block before bullets are seated. I'm extremely careful. I have no worries and neither do they.

We really don't make a habit out of shooting my .40S&W reloaded ammo because I rarely load that cartridge as long as we have adequate dept-provided stockpiles.

Agent6-3/8
09-29-2011, 07:13
Ten-thousand rounds without a problem? I think you've got your answer.

A few of the officers on my dept (including my Chief) have shot a small amount of my .40 reloaded ammo thru Dept issued G22s, and they've also shot my ammo in some of their personally owned weapons (revolvers, AR-15s, etc) as well.

None have expressed any reservations, including my Chief. Any ammo I hand them is loaded on a single stage, in batches of 50 and every charge is visually inspected with a penlight in the loading block before bullets are seated. I'm extremely careful. I have no worries and neither do they.

We really don't make a habit out of shooting my .40S&W reloaded ammo because I rarely load that cartridge as long as we have adequate dept-provided stockpiles.


I load on a single stage press too. I guess thats the secret behind my success. I've had "issues" of course, but all have been caught right away.

Chico Bill
09-29-2011, 21:55
[QUOTE=Chico Bill;17977576]We can purchase department ammunition for approved training classes, but not to go out and shoot.

How would they know what you do with your own privately bought ammo?

If we wanna buy dept training ammo, we have to bring in the class roster or some other paperwork showing we're signed up for a class and they decide if they can sell us ammo for the class. It's an excise tax thing according to them.

toddmog
09-29-2011, 22:01
[QUOTE=lawman800;17977661]

If we wanna buy dept training ammo, we have to bring in the class roster or some other paperwork showing we're signed up for a class and they decide if they can sell us ammo for the class. It's an excise tax thing according to them.

That's just crazy. We get a 2-3 week heads up before an ammo order is going to be placed. We just tell the LT. how much we want and prepay before the order is placed. We can use it for whatever. Several deputies purchase 1-2K of 9mm and .223 every time we order.

lawman800
09-30-2011, 02:03
I can understand that... But then again, since we are issued everything and we are not buying it, there are no restrictions or worries about excise taxes on our end.