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Sharky7
09-29-2011, 00:53
Alright - Looking at getting a new tactical flashlight for the duty belt.

What is the difference between the Surefire Z2X LED, Surefire G2ZX LED, or the Surefire AZ2 LED. They seem like basically the same flashlight, what am I missing?

Also - is it really worth it getting the LED over the standard bulb. I have the Surefire Z2 combat light right now with the upgraded bulb. I like Surefire and have been pretty happy with my old one, don't want a re-chargeable. Any suggestions that I am missing for a small flashlight similar in size to the above?

Kahr_Glockman
09-29-2011, 01:02
The LED is really worth it. The beam clarity, brightness and overall durability are really worth it. Also, average of 3 hour runtime versus a 45 minute runtime. As far as the differences in the lights I have no idea.

I have been carrying an LED belt light for over a year now and will never go back.

Goldendog Redux
09-29-2011, 01:46
Surefire's incredible failure is the push button tailcap design pisses me off to no end. Most of their lights have the exposed rubber push button. I must manually twist my Surefire's to keep them from having a light A.D. Whichever one you get make sure it comes standard with the better tailcap. No uber tactical pistolero is gonna convince me how great SF's standard tailcaps are. LED is obviously better but for chrissakes don't spend over 100 bucks on a stupid flashlight. Of the lights you listed, buy the cheapest one. I have several Surefires.

Sorry rant over.

MF

Patchman
09-29-2011, 05:02
What is the difference between the Surefire Z2X LED, Surefire G2ZX LED, or the Surefire AZ2 LED. They seem like basically the same flashlight, what am I missing?

Also - is it really worth it getting the LED over the standard bulb.


All 3 lights are their "tactical" variety. The Z2's body is metal, like their base P60s. The G2ZX is polymer body, like their base G2s. Not sure about the AZ2, but assume it is metal.

I only use P60, P90, G2 and G3s. On duty, the primary light is the G3 (incandescent) backed up by a G2 (LED). I like the P90 incandescent because the light is much brighter and harder than a bluish LED. I use the LED mostly for evidence searches, etc... where a long burntime might be required.

As you may know, SF is upgrading their line, so many models are being discontinued. Don't know which of the models you mentioned are, or are not. Also, within any line, there might be "old" version vs "new" version.

seanmac45
09-29-2011, 05:34
Here is my suggestion;

Buy this;

http://www.lapolicegear.com/surefire-6pd-bk-closeout.html

Mod WithThis;

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/cree-drop-in-module-for-surefire-6p-2-9v-9v-6076

and you are good to go.

It's the setup I run and it is phenomenal.

TsunamiMike
09-29-2011, 07:56
I had the same question as I have to pick up a tactical flashlight. I was looking at the g3 I can't see paying over 100 for a flashlight...

BailRecoveryAgent
09-29-2011, 08:35
Streamlight PolyTac LED. You'll thank me later.

http://www.amazon.com/Streamlight-88850-Polytac-Flashlight-Batteries/dp/product-description/B001S0IN46

SCSU74
09-29-2011, 09:17
i recently bought the G2X tactical and i like it a lot, replaced the tailcap with a "clicky" one from surefire and have no complaints. With LEO discount i think the light was $50? I run it on my AR and the older G2 LED on my shotgun. I probably wouldnt use either for patrol because they both use batteries and are not rechargeable. I love my strion, hang it up every night and it is good to go before every shift.

DaBigBR
09-29-2011, 11:55
Wait. STOP.

Go buy:

Streamlight Polytac LED (Currently $36 on Amazon)

Surefire V70 Holster (Currently $25 on Amazon)

That's it. $61 for the best compact light and holster combination out there, period. Even Cochese agrees!

SCSU74
09-29-2011, 14:13
Wait. STOP.

Go buy:

Streamlight Polytac LED (Currently $36 on Amazon)

Surefire V70 Holster (Currently $25 on Amazon)

That's it. $61 for the best compact light and holster combination out there, period. Even Cochese agrees!

plus the cost of batteries... rather pay $95 and never need to buy batteries and have a solid light

That being said i have a V70 i'll sell for $20 shipped

DaBigBR
09-29-2011, 23:25
plus the cost of batteries... rather pay $95 and never need to buy batteries and have a solid light

That being said i have a V70 i'll sell for $20 shipped

I've got a Strion LED, too.

Cochese
09-30-2011, 00:27
Mod WithThis;

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/cree-drop-in-module-for-surefire-6p-2-9v-9v-6076

Thanks for the link!

I have a SF 6P laying around with a dead incan bulb that I fried with.... DX rechargeables. Strangely enough, I can't kill an LED bulb with them.

Even Cochese agrees!

Yep. My tailcap was on the fritz for a while. I got pissed off at it one night when I was especially frustrated with work and I spiked it off the ground, expecting it to explode. I was readying my snarky comment to DBBR on here when I pick the MFer up and realized I fixed it by throwing onto the pavement with the full force of my adult tantrum.

Thanks Brad!

plus the cost of batteries... rather pay $95 and never need to buy batteries and have a solid light

That being said i have a V70 i'll sell for $20 shipped

Fortunately, my PD supplies 123's. I carry a Streamlight Ultrastinger rechargeable with a Terralux drop in as my primary light.

Sharky7
09-30-2011, 00:28
plus the cost of batteries... rather pay $95 and never need to buy batteries and have a solid light

That being said i have a V70 i'll sell for $20 shipped

Thanks, but I already got the V70. I currently have a surefire I am using with the V70 holster on my duty belt.

I get free batteries through my city - so no need for a re-chargeable for me.

Sharky7
09-30-2011, 00:32
Wait. STOP.

Go buy:

Streamlight Polytac LED (Currently $36 on Amazon)

Surefire V70 Holster (Currently $25 on Amazon)

That's it. $61 for the best compact light and holster combination out there, period. Even Cochese agrees!

Looks like a good light - really good price at $36 bucks. Good to have around, I am going to order one.

I really don't mind dropping like 100-130 for a bit more brightness for a duty belt light. I take pretty good care of my stuff, my current Surefire Z2 has lasted me 8 years or so. What do you think of some of the other LED lights at 200 lumens? Worth upgrading from the 130 to 200 lumens?

boomhower
09-30-2011, 00:42
Definitely get an LED. I bought a G2 LED last year before the new models came out and I love. I also have mine mounted in a V70 on my duty belt. I would suggest a plastic one, metal gets hot/cold and doesn't really offer much more in durability for it's intended use as a back-up. Heck, I use mine ten times more during the daytime than I due at night. By far the best thing I have bought for work right after my rifle. Personally I don't have any issues with tailcap. If it was rifle mounted that would be a different story though.


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TsunamiMike
09-30-2011, 04:46
How are the stream lights? I am looking at a Streamlight 88031 Protac Tactical Flashlight 2L which is only $39, which isnt that bad. 180 lumens for 2.5 hours, visable up to 126 meters and has an on/dim/strobe and a clip.

http://www.amazon.com/Streamlight-88...7354600&sr=1-1

What do you think? does this compete with Surefires line? 101 reviews and a 4.5 star...not bad

TsunamiMike
09-30-2011, 07:44
Just to throw out there" nebo lights? The redline and blue line look cool but cumbersome... Thoughts?

jwhite75
09-30-2011, 08:04
I highly recommend the Olight, and Fenix line. Bought a T25T for my friend for a gift, and the Olight T25T for my borther for a gift. Both were so nice I wanted to keep them for me. They were super bright LED and ran on AA batteries.

DaBigBR
09-30-2011, 08:32
Looks like a good light - really good price at $36 bucks. Good to have around, I am going to order one.

I really don't mind dropping like 100-130 for a bit more brightness for a duty belt light. I take pretty good care of my stuff, my current Surefire Z2 has lasted me 8 years or so. What do you think of some of the other LED lights at 200 lumens? Worth upgrading from the 130 to 200 lumens?

I really do expect that you'll be impressed with it. Although I have the Strion, which is brighter, in a cargo pocket, I use the Polytac a lot more. I think I have three or four of them floating around, plus a couple old G2 LEDs that I retired when I went to the Polytac.

BailRecoveryAgent
09-30-2011, 16:54
I really do expect that you'll be impressed with it. Although I have the Strion, which is brighter, in a cargo pocket, I use the Polytac a lot more. I think I have three or four of them floating around, plus a couple old G2 LEDs that I retired when I went to the Polytac.

Im very impressed with my polytac. I will placing an order for another for a backup from amazon when I get home. $36 is hard to beat for such a great light.

WFBont7
09-30-2011, 17:14
Fenix tk11 with rechargeable 18650 battery. The 18650 battery is basically 2 123 batteries. The tk11 fits in the surefire holder. Been carrying this light for over a year and love it. Don't have to buy batteries either.

RetailNinja
09-30-2011, 20:08
battery junction now has the CREE XML upgrades for the Surefire G2/6P lights. 450 Lumens!!
http://www.batteryjunction.com/p60-dropin.html

I just put one in my OLD 40 lumen incan G2 and it's a whole new light... with a crappy push button tail cap that I have to unscrew.

I HIGHLY recommend the JETbeam 3M XML
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j314/turbotension/IMG_20110905_131730.jpg

Sharky7
10-01-2011, 00:13
Retailninja, That bulb replacement got me thinking....

Anyone know if I can put this bulb in my old (non-led) Surefire Z2??
http://www.lapolicegear.com/sup91la.html

That would save me a few bucks, keeping the same flashlight, but just upgrading it with a strong LED bulb.

WFBont7
10-01-2011, 08:34
Retailninja, That bulb replacement got me thinking....

Anyone know if I can put this bulb in my old (non-led) Surefire Z2??
http://www.lapolicegear.com/sup91la.html

That would save me a few bucks, keeping the same flashlight, but just upgrading it with a strong LED bulb.


Malkoffdevices.com drop ins are great. Been using his led drop ins in my surefire bodies for years.

RetailNinja
10-02-2011, 12:06
Sharky, this is what you want. I have the Thrunite product

http://www.batteryjunction.com/p60-dropin.html

Patchman
10-02-2011, 15:10
Sharky, this is what you want. I have the Thrunite product

http://www.batteryjunction.com/p60-dropin.html


Never realized there were all these aftermarket parts for SF lights. That probably explains why their new lines have sealed heads.

Sharky7
10-02-2011, 17:09
Sharky, this is what you want. I have the Thrunite product

http://www.batteryjunction.com/p60-dropin.html

Is that thing really 460 lumens? Whoa. :wow:

seanmac45
10-02-2011, 18:06
Never realized there were all these aftermarket parts for SF lights. That probably explains why their new lines have sealed heads.


That's why I modded some closeout old style models.

Cheap and effective.

wjv
10-03-2011, 12:20
JETBeam BA20 $40

Maglite XL50 is $30 and has an easy to use UI. 8 hours on bright and ~35 on low! High, Low & Strobe

TsunamiMike
10-04-2011, 04:49
i picked up streamlights L2, i saw it on you tube against a surefire P6 and it blew it away...

BailRecoveryAgent
10-04-2011, 09:08
http://www.garritylites.com/page68.html

I've also had this Garrity 9LED Mini for about 5 years now, and its the only AAA flashlight I currently use. The battery life in this little cheap light is pretty darn good, and while its not bright like my PolyTac, it does the job when you need it to. I've used it for around the house stuff and in the last year have been carrying it as a backup to my Surefires and now my Streamlight PolyTac. At 3 3/4" long, theres no reason to be without a light.

I always carry the PolyTac for work, but just as an EDC light that is small and light, the Garrity 9LED Mini has been well worth the $10 or less I paid for it several years ago.

DoogieHowser
10-04-2011, 09:15
http://www.amazon.com/Fenix-LD20-180-Lumen-Flashlight/dp/B004CXNY3G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1317741296&sr=8-1

Get that, it's amazing and a great price. Bonus, uses AA batteries nothing fancy.

RetailNinja
10-04-2011, 09:17
Never realized there were all these aftermarket parts for SF lights. That probably explains why their new lines have sealed heads.

Here is what's really sad about Surefire's products anymore. In terms of big lights, there's really no reason to buy SF. Even my Jetbeam is twice as bright as my 6PX and it cost $30 less.

http://www.surefire.com/M6LT 900 Lumens for $575

http://www.4sevens.com/product_info.php?cPath=297_406&products_id=2655
1200 Lumens for $260

http://www.4sevens.com/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=2586
800 Lumens for $115

:dunno:

DoogieHowser
10-04-2011, 10:21
Here is what's really sad about Surefire's products anymore. In terms of big lights, there's really no reason to buy SF. Even my Jetbeam is twice as bright as my 6PX and it cost $30 less.

http://www.surefire.com/M6LT 900 Lumens for $575

http://www.4sevens.com/product_info.php?cPath=297_406&products_id=2655
1200 Lumens for $260

http://www.4sevens.com/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=2586
800 Lumens for $115

:dunno:

Also note that fenix is the CREE bulb manufacturer's lights. Pretty sure they make the bulbs for SF as well.

SCSU74
10-04-2011, 11:32
Thanks, but I already got the V70. I currently have a surefire I am using with the V70 holster on my duty belt.

I get free batteries through my city - so no need for a re-chargeable for me.

free 123's?! sign me up! haha

Sharky7
10-23-2011, 18:50
For anyone interested, I ended up buying the 460 lumen drop in replacement from here;
http://www.batteryjunction.com/p60-dropin.html

My review: It's really f-ing bright. Way brighter than the mag light in my car. I like it a lot, gave new life to my old Z2 surefire flashlight. I would definitely suggest it to anyone with a surefire tactical light that can do replacements. Very inexpensive, but gives a LOT of light. I've been using it a LOT now for about a week and a half and still on the same batteries...so it does not suck the batteries as I thought it would. So....don't go buying a new light if you have an older surefire, just get one of these drop in replacements.