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rpgman
09-30-2011, 06:02
Hi,

Starting to look into reloading, but I have a question.

I have all this fired brass, both 9mm and .40 that I have shot and picked up.

Is it ok to polish and clean them up and have them sit around for awhile while I start my reseach into a loading press etc?

I just don't want it to start fading etc?

Greg

arodgers
09-30-2011, 06:06
Fading won't hurt anything as long as they are clean. How are you planning on cleaning and polishing?

rpgman
09-30-2011, 06:13
Fading won't hurt anything as long as they are clean. How are you planning on cleaning and polishing?

using one of the Dillon tumblers and walnuts shells and some of the Dillon polish.

IndyGunFreak
09-30-2011, 06:21
using one of the Dillon tumblers and walnuts shells and some of the Dillon polish.

Geez, that's an expensive tumbler for "thinking about reloading"... Just get a bucket, soak them in really hot, soapy water a good bit. Drain soapy water, and spray out thoroughly to rinse, let air dry.

Brass doesn't have to look like jewelry.

rpgman
09-30-2011, 06:24
Geez, that's an expensive tumbler for "thinking about reloading"... Just get a bucket, soak them in really hot, soapy water a good bit. Drain soapy water, and spray out thoroughly to rinse, let air dry.

Brass doesn't have to look like jewelry.

I believe I stated:

"Starting to look into reloading"

and

"while I start my reseach into a loading press etc?"

there was NO 'thinking about it' ever mentioned.

I'm researching.

Anyway, I'm leaning towards a Dillon Press anyway.
Greg

AltiDude
09-30-2011, 06:40
When you start thinking, you might consider a Midway or Lyman and use the change for a set of dies. Just thinking out loud so take our thoughts or leave them.

rpgman
09-30-2011, 06:44
When you start thinking, you might consider a Midway or Lyman and use the change for a set of dies. Just thinking out loud so take our thoughts or leave them.


Thanks, oh yea, I've been thinking that way too...

I wake up decided on a Dillon, and the next day wake up deciding on Lyman or others.

But, you are the experts....

So, what would be a good choice for someone's first PROGRESSIVE Press?

any opinions and I'm sure I will get many different answers.

Greg

unclebob
09-30-2011, 06:48
I have brass that has been cleaned and sitting around in ammo cans plastic containers etc. for 35 years. If I ever decide to load them I well just put them back in the tumbler and polish them back up. I like shiny brass.
Me if I have brass that I know that Iím not going to use for a couple of years. I like to deprime them with a universal deprimer. I clean them with just walnut and dryer sheets. When Iím ready to load that brass, I put them in the other tumbler with corn cob media and some mineral spirits and Nu Finish car polish that is mixed 50/50. If there is any media in the flash hole it is knocked out when the brass is sized.

Shadyscott69
09-30-2011, 06:56
Thanks, oh yea, I've been thinking that way too...

I wake up decided on a Dillon, and the next day wake up deciding on Lyman or others.

But, you are the experts....

So, what would be a good choice for someone's first PROGRESSIVE Press?

any opinions and I'm sure I will get many different answers.

Greg

I like my LnL, and I am about to buy a Dillion 1050. You are welcome to come and try mine out if you like.

bigcountry31987
09-30-2011, 07:18
From what I understand a rock cleanning tumbler and a brass tumbler are the same.thing but the rock tumbler is alot cheaper

IndyGunFreak
09-30-2011, 07:33
I believe I stated:

"Starting to look into reloading"

and

"while I start my reseach into a loading press etc?"

there was NO 'thinking about it' ever mentioned.

I'm researching.

Anyway, I'm leaning towards a Dillon Press anyway.
Greg

Really my point was, a tumbler should be near the bottom in the order of your
list of things to get", not the first.

but anyway, good luck w/ it.

rpgman
09-30-2011, 07:51
Really my point was, a tumbler should be near the bottom in the order of your
list of things to get", not the first.

but anyway, good luck w/ it.

I understand, it's just I wanted something to do while waiting for a press.

Can't hurt, espeically when you have tons and tons of brass just sitting around.

rpgman
09-30-2011, 07:51
I like my LnL, and I am about to buy a Dillion 1050. You are welcome to come and try mine out if you like.

I would love to come and look at your setup.

xXGearheadXx
09-30-2011, 07:53
Dillon XL 650 is all win.

rpgman
09-30-2011, 08:04
Dillon XL 650 is all win.

that's the model I want.

ron59
09-30-2011, 08:39
that's the model I want.

If that's the one you were thinking of... good on you. I bought a 550B because so many said it was a good one to get, that a 650 was "too much" for a newb to grasp. I was reading so many people say "start with a single stage, not a progressive" so that was weighing on me. BTW, I think that's total hogwash. If you *know* you are going to be shooting quite a bit, starting with a progressive is fine.
(Caveat: I actually used it as a "single stage" at first, only running one case all the way around until I fully understood how everything was working. I probably did a few hundred rounds that way. Even when I started truly running it as progressive, the focus of my attention is that powder drop station. THAT is the station where problems lead to serious issues.)

If I had known then what I know now.... 650. There is one in my very near future. Bonus time in a few months. :supergrin:

Boxerglocker
09-30-2011, 08:44
I understand, it's just I wanted something to do while waiting for a press.

Can't hurt, espeically when you have tons and tons of brass just sitting around.

So the question I have is why/what are you waiting for? You appear to already have made your mind up on getting a Dillon. :dunno:

Lonestar 48
09-30-2011, 08:46
I'm in RPG's position...just getting into reloading. I started with a couple of manuals, ABC's and Lymans, and I'm reading through those. Bought a couple of die sets, had a caliper, a scale is on it's way today. I've narrowed down my press choice to the Dillon line, but I keep going back and forth between the 550 and the 650.

Thanks for all the information in this thread, and in the stickies. I'm going to keep reading for awhile, and then make my purchase. My biggest problem is I have no brass or lead, and being in Texas, I'm afraid to sneak into Walmart's parking lot to get my lead like some Italians I've seen.

rpgman
09-30-2011, 09:03
So the question I have is why/what are you waiting for? You appear to already have made your mind up on getting a Dillon. :dunno:

nothing really, except time.

fredj338
09-30-2011, 09:42
Hi,

Starting to look into reloading, but I have a question.

I have all this fired brass, both 9mm and .40 that I have shot and picked up.

Is it ok to polish and clean them up and have them sit around for awhile while I start my reseach into a loading press etc?

I just don't want it to start fading etc?

Greg

A waste of time, the brass will just start tarnishing again. Leave them in a sealed container of some type & wait until youget going. The point of tumbiling is to clean the brass prior to reloading. You'll just end up doing it twice.
I've narrowed down my press choice to the Dillon line, but I keep going back and forth between the 550 and the 650.

I run both presses. It really comes down to volumn needed vs ease of operation. IF you don;t shot a lot of one caliber, then a 505 makes a lot of sense: cheaper, easier to setup & change over, simple, simple, simple. The 650, great prodction machine w/ the case feeder. SO if you must have auto indexing (over rated), then the choice is made, if you want a case feeder, then the 650 makes more sense. If you must have a bullet feeder, then the 650 is the only way to go.

freakshow10mm
09-30-2011, 09:46
If you *know* you are going to be shooting quite a bit, starting with a progressive is fine.
(Caveat: I actually used it as a "single stage" at first, only running one case all the way around until I fully understood how everything was working. I probably did a few hundred rounds that way. Even when I started truly running it as progressive, the focus of my attention is that powder drop station. THAT is the station where problems lead to serious issues.
QFT. I recommend this as well.

Really the only time I recommend a single stage to start is if a guy wants to load for one or two rifles that are used for hunting a vast majority of the time. It's nice to get a cheap SS to use a collet bullet puller with and do other small chores, but 98% of the time a progressive press is the way to go from the start. Bare minimum is a Lee Classic Turret press.

Here's my take on the Dillon press lineup:

SDB: Skip it. The 550 is a much better press for a little more money.

550: Great press with a wide range of cartridge options and perfect for those not wanting to have a case feeder.

650: If you want a case feeder this is the press you should get. Not as versatile as the 550 but it's auto index and designed for a case feeder (not retrofitted to adapt to a press)

1050: If you shoot military brass (swages primer pocket to remove crimp), regular competition, or want the ultimate control and die options, this is the press to get. This press primes on the downstroke and is faster because of it. Enough room to fit a powder check die, bullet feeder, and use the last station for a combo seat/crimp die. If you want to make a lot of quality ammo fast this is the way to go. With my reloading, personal and when I reloaded commercially, I tried to have the least impact on my time with family so I went with the best and fastest press I could afford. Dillon allows to stretch into 3 payments and pay for the shipping with the first charge. Excellent way to get started on a 1050. First order of business is to get rid of the ratchet restriction tab on the back of the press. Just pay attention and make sure you make full press stokes when you load.

unclebob
09-30-2011, 09:48
If you can live with the price of the press, case feeder and conversions? No question I would get the 650. Is it more press than what you need? Maybe? If in the back of your mind that you want the 650, go with it. Because if you are, latter down the road you will wish you got it. Other than the press feeding a case for you and a different and better I think priming system and auto indexing and if you want you can make it manual indexing a 550 and 650 are basically the same. A 650 press is nor more complicated or complex than what you make it.

Colorado4Wheel
09-30-2011, 09:50
You can load brass that is over 50 years old and all tarnished up. As long as it is free from dirt it won't hurt a thing.

As far as getting started. Lot's of ways to do it. No real perfect answer unless you have a crystal ball and can see the future. BEST, anyone can do is look at how much you shoot in each caliber and give you a idea of what type of press would probably suit you. Each of us has our own preferences. I have owned all the main ones people commonly buy. They are in the sticky above. For progressives I prefer Dillon by a huge margin but that is just me. Other like the other Hornady and Even RCBS Pro 2000. If you buy a Dillon they hold their value so you won't loose much. You will never be sorry you spent a little more to get the nicer press.

dkf
09-30-2011, 10:24
Here are some videos to watch until you get your press.(You may have seen them already) Might help you decide. I will warn you though the guy in the vid is, well.... strange.:worried:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcT6Tyv4Unw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Esf-fUo9Qk&feature=related

rpgman
09-30-2011, 10:41
Here are some videos to watch until you get your press.(You may have seen them already) Might help you decide. I will warn you though the guy in the vid is, well.... strange.:worried:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcT6Tyv4Unw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Esf-fUo9Qk&feature=related

thanx.
Greg

ursoboostd
09-30-2011, 11:39
I assume you live in Florence, SC and not Florence, Ky. I live in Florence, Ky and have a 650.

rpgman
09-30-2011, 12:10
I assume you live in Florence, SC and not Florence, Ky. I live in Florence, Ky and have a 650.

yep Florence, SC, the home of no indoor range or any public ranges...kinda stinks if your a shooter here.

Most just go out their back door and shoot, except I live in the city.

rpgman
09-30-2011, 12:11
Here are some videos to watch until you get your press.(You may have seen them already) Might help you decide. I will warn you though the guy in the vid is, well.... strange.:worried:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcT6Tyv4Unw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Esf-fUo9Qk&feature=related


Thanks for that...
I enjoyed that.
Does he still frequent here?
and his loading place....would love to have that.
Greg

dkf
09-30-2011, 12:15
Thanks for that...
I enjoyed that.
Does he still frequent here?
and his loading place....would love to have that.
Greg

Yeah he'll probably stop in today.(gioajack) He just posted up three new videos yesterday on casting bullets. Believe it or not he is even more "strange" in those vids.:supergrin:

I'm just starting to get into reloading metallic cartriges also and am slowing buying things. Cabelas has a sale on the LCT turret so I think I'll take a run up there this weekend and pick it up. A Dillion press isn't in my budget even though I would like one.

rpgman
09-30-2011, 12:24
Yeah he'll probably stop in today.(gioajack) He just posted up three new videos yesterday on casting bullets. Believe it or not he is even more "strange" in those vids.:supergrin:

I'm just starting to get into reloading metallic cartriges also and am slowing buying things. Cabelas has a sale on the LCT turret so I think I'll take a run up there this weekend and pick it up. A Dillion press isn't in my budget even though I would like one.

He seems like a fun guy....he knows some I know like Uncle Bob and Ron from the GSSF Forum on here.

I enjoyed his vids. I hope he keeps making them.

Since you don't have Dillon, gioajack has two 1050's, maybe he'll give ya one?

Greg

dkf
09-30-2011, 12:33
He seems like a fun guy....he knows some I know like Uncle Bob and Ron from the GSSF Forum on here.

I enjoyed his vids. I hope he keeps making them.

Since you don't have Dillon, gioajack has two 1050's, maybe he'll give ya one?

Greg

I've been saving up wheel weights and Viagra to possibly trade him for a 1050 in the future.

PrecisionRifleman
09-30-2011, 12:42
When you start thinking, you might consider a Midway or Lyman and use the change for a set of dies. Just thinking out loud so take our thoughts or leave them.

No kidding! :poke:

cowboy1964
09-30-2011, 13:38
From what I understand a rock cleanning tumbler and a brass tumbler are the same.thing but the rock tumbler is alot cheaper

These are the same thing?

http://geology.com/rock-tumbler/rolling-stones-rock-tumbler.jpg

http://www.eabco.com/Tumbler400_small2.jpg

Colorado4Wheel
09-30-2011, 14:34
Rock is normally tumbled wet. They don't use the same machine.