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scottydl
10-03-2011, 18:41
How big is your agency (as in number of personnel), or agencies that you've worked at? I know we have a wide array of LE representatives here, just curious on the variety of department sizes.

Current agency: about 125 sworn, 25 non-sworn

Previous agency: about 25 sworn, 7 non-sworn

joe138
10-03-2011, 18:45
30 sworn, down a couple due to budget problems. 10 civilian employees.

Sgt127
10-03-2011, 18:59
230 or so sworn.
70-90 non sworn...? Jail, records, dispatch, crime scene...I really don't know..

CanIhaveGasCash
10-03-2011, 19:05
25 sworn including the 3 chiefs. Why we need 3 I will never know. We also have 8 civilians.

Hoser423
10-03-2011, 19:14
#1- 27 sworn, #2- 1000 sworn, #3- about 105 sworn
Pluses and minuses at all sizes...

scottydl
10-03-2011, 19:20
25 sworn including the 3 chiefs. Why we need 3 I will never know. We also have 8 civilians.

This was like my last agency... more Chiefs than Indians. Actually the supervisor/subordinate ratio was just about 50/50, huge waste of resources and one of the reasons I left.

I remember reading somewhere in the past that a 1:6 ratio of bosses to officers is ideal, and I agree with that now that I'm at an agency that follows that pretty closely.

BULLRUNN
10-03-2011, 19:49
750-800 Sworn...Norfolk PD

msu_grad_121
10-03-2011, 20:01
Last agency: Approx. 200 sworn, 50ish non-sworn.

I remember hearing that 1:6 ratio as coming from the Emergency Management thing, and that being the upper limit of what they wanted for a ratio. As I recall, the said the "ideal" was 1:3, but that still seems like WAY too many supervisors, at least to me.

Hack
10-03-2011, 20:14
Nationwide and plenty of us. More than 38,000 staff in the whole agency.

ateamer
10-03-2011, 20:24
Something like 165 sworn, currently running at about 150. For about three weeks in 1998 we were at full staffing, otherwise we are always short. We are running with the same number of cars on a shift as when I started 23 years ago (hey, today's my anniversary - seven years at the most until I am out).

Agent6-3/8
10-03-2011, 20:33
Started out with a 700ish sworn agency. Currently testing with a 180ish sworn agency.

ClydeG19
10-03-2011, 20:38
7 sworn and 1 civilian.

steveksux
10-03-2011, 20:44
It's not how big your agency is, it's what you do with it...

Just sayin... :whistling:

Randy

Chico Bill
10-03-2011, 22:07
I think around 9000 sworn.

rookie1
10-03-2011, 22:33
Full staff is 82 sworn, I think we are at 80 right now.

As of Oct 1 all 80 are back from deployment and no ones injured. If we can hire 2 here soon we will be at full staff. People from 10-15 years ago said they have never seen that happen. We also are lucky to get a car or a car with a body mic for the in car video. We somehow lose the little box and the dept. just sends out emails, 4 in the last 2 weeks asking us to return them. If we don't have a mic and something happens (like a complaint) we get written up, even if their not available at beginning of the shift.

packsaddle
10-03-2011, 23:41
9 sworn.

haven't had a new position in 10 years.

meanwhile, county population has nearly doubled. :headscratch:

Trigger Finger
10-03-2011, 23:48
I think around 9000 sworn.

If you are referring to L.A.P.D. (my old agency) they are now over 10,000 sworn as of last year!!! And have not laid off any officers.

Of course if all they do is stop hiring they loose about 250 sworn per year. Thats why that's all they sometimes put through the academy is enough officers to maintain slightly over 10,000. I remember being hired on in 1973 and there were 6,600 sworn. I think that Los Angeles City really needs about 12,000 sworn, as big and spread out and crime ridden as the city is!!

Of course they also have about 4,000 civilians, everything from secretaries and crime analysts to janitors and mechanics.

Cochese
10-03-2011, 23:55
I think Bill is a dep.

Cochese
10-03-2011, 23:56
We have around d 150 sworn, 200 total. Last department had about 50 total staff. 1st, can't remember. Maybe 100 total with security folks?

CanIhaveGasCash
10-04-2011, 00:10
This was like my last agency... more Chiefs than Indians. Actually the supervisor/subordinate ratio was just about 50/50, huge waste of resources and one of the reasons I left.

I remember reading somewhere in the past that a 1:6 ratio of bosses to officers is ideal, and I agree with that now that I'm at an agency that follows that pretty closely.

Counting SGT's and chiefs we have 7 Supervisors to 16 patrol officers and 2 detectives. That is a ratio of 2.57 to 1. They are also adding an additional SGT at some point this year, as if that is needed.

I also think we could cut our budget by ditching our 4 civilian code enforcement officers. They don't do much and their workload could easily be absorbed by trading them for 2 more cops. In fact since they only work during the day, night shifters do pick up their workload. Just one of the many things that don't make sense here.

ateamer
10-04-2011, 00:33
Counting SGT's and chiefs we have 7 Supervisors to 16 patrol officers and 2 detectives. That is a ratio of 2.57 to 1. They are also adding an additional SGT at some point this year, as if that is needed.

I also think we could cut our budget by ditching our 4 civilian code enforcement officers. They don't do much and their workload could easily be absorbed by trading them for 2 more cops. In fact since they only work during the day, night shifters do pick up their workload. Just one of the many things that don't make sense here.
A small PD in our county has eight officers and eight people at sergeant or above. Their dayshift staffing is two patrol officers, patrol sergeant, detective, detective sergeant, two lieutenants and the chief. Oh, and their patrol officers only get three or four dispatched details on a busy day.

seagravedriver
10-04-2011, 00:41
Where I was a reserve was ONE chief, ONE Sgt.., ONE detective and EIGHT sworn officers. The detective spot would rotate every two years, as folks would test for it. There was usually about 8 reserves.

ar-steve
10-04-2011, 02:04
6 sworn , one clerk.

Ajon412
10-04-2011, 03:52
Former department approximately 39,000ish (when I left). Current agency, 175. Talk about culture shock.......:shocked:

Pepper45
10-04-2011, 04:13
12 sworn. Five non-sworn support staff.

CarloTwoGuns
10-04-2011, 04:13
About 600

Denikes
10-04-2011, 06:23
750ish sworn. Civilian? 100-150 I "think", but really have no idea. After four years without a raise we're about to hit the point where the counties and .gov (if they ever start hiring again) start poaching our good people with higher salaries and benefits.

collim1
10-04-2011, 06:42
120 sworn, 4 cops it is very unfortunate

Panzergrenadier1979
10-04-2011, 06:47
16 sworn.

1 non-sworn police superintendent ("Chief").

1 civilian administrator.

vanilla_gorilla
10-04-2011, 06:58
9 full time sworn, 4 part time sworn (including me)

Re: bosses, for a small agency, we're pretty good. 2 sergeants (1 per rotation) and a lieutenant that handles the command stuff. The chief handles the political stuff.

merlynusn
10-04-2011, 07:56
1750 sworn and about 550 civilians.

DaBigBR
10-04-2011, 09:14
3 full time, certified, "regular", officers
1 part time, certified, "regular", officer
1 part time, non-sworn, "chief" that doesn't grasp that he's not a peace officer.
10 reserve officers

Oh, and I'll go ahead and take the cake for most brass to line. On the paid side:
-Chief
-Lieutenant (and the Chief's son, no less)
-Sergeant
-Full Time Officer
-Part Time Officer.

3:1.5

:upeyes:

nitesite10mm
10-04-2011, 09:21
Started out with a 700ish sworn agency. Currently testing with a 180ish sworn agency.

I'm wishing you luck. Hope it works out!

Agent6-3/8
10-04-2011, 09:53
I'm wishing you luck. Hope it works out!

Thanks, bud! Me too! :wavey:

nitesite10mm
10-04-2011, 10:29
Agent6-3/8

You will prevail and triumph. I feel it.

bccop
10-04-2011, 10:37
1,327 sworn and 389 civilian

SCSU74
10-04-2011, 11:34
How big is your agency (as in number of personnel), or agencies that you've worked at? I know we have a wide array of LE representatives here, just curious on the variety of department sizes.

Current agency: about 125 sworn, 25 non-sworn

Previous agency: about 25 sworn, 7 non-sworn

2,000 sworn, a whole mess of non-sworn haha

RVER
10-04-2011, 11:53
650 sworn / 500 civilian (or about). Yes, that's right... :upeyes:

k9medic
10-04-2011, 12:08
First agency - 515 sworn. I worked patrol and K9
Second - 20 sworn. That included 20 P/T officers
Third - 90 sworn
Current - 9 sworn. That includes 5 P/T officers.

Had a lot of fun in the larger agencies especially working K9, but feel that I made more of a difference at the smaller ones. Currently love working for a really small department.

CAcop
10-04-2011, 12:32
94 sworn authorized. 89 actually here. For two glorious weeks in 2001 we were authorized for 100 authorized and 104 actually here. We are technically approved to go 7% over but that probably will never happen in the next 10 years. After that I won't care because I will be retired.

GearGuru
10-04-2011, 12:39
Approx 290 sworn, 80 civilian or otherwise...

Glocker1984
10-04-2011, 13:28
4 Full-Time Officers (Includes Chief and Sgt.)
4 Part-Time Officers

IGotIt
10-04-2011, 14:15
First- over 5,000 sworn, when I left 4,500.

Second-47 sworn

third-15 sworn

ryanm
10-04-2011, 14:42
5 sworn

Cav
10-04-2011, 17:15
Over 55 sworn, 0 reserves, and 18 civilian for a population of about 30K+.

IIRC we have maybe 60+ sworn slots now, but they play games giving us slots every year without funding or with shared slots (Warrant Officer/Court, Firemarshall's, School Officer's).

dano1427
10-04-2011, 17:21
On paper, about 2200. Currently "working" about 1800.

Bodyarmorguy
10-04-2011, 17:35
The first agency I worked for and retired from after 22 years, Melbourne (FL) PD was 171 sworn when I left. My current agency, Port Canaveral (FL) PD is 33 sworn.

tusk212
10-04-2011, 23:03
Full time department- 3 full timers, 2 part timers
Part time department- 2 full timers, 5 part timers

freeride88
10-05-2011, 00:06
1300 sworn, 500 civs. Something like that.

4teecal
10-08-2011, 00:30
15,915 sworn,

God knows how many thousands of unsworn staff.

m2hmghb
10-08-2011, 00:46
15,915 sworn,

God knows how many thousands of unsworn staff.


Melbourne? or Sidney?

COLOSHOOTR
10-08-2011, 03:41
We're at just under 1400 sworn with a good amount of non sworn civi positions scattered thoughout the city. the 1400 is not cutting it and we're short all the time. Our city thinks we have too many cops so it's not going to change anytime soon and low priority calls will continue to hold for over 1-2hrs and we'll run 3-4 cars short per shift till the crime rate goes way up. After the Mayors chance at re-election goes way down due to the crime we'll suddenly find more money and hire more cops.

pal2511
10-08-2011, 13:24
Detective, assistant chief and chief. 4 full timers maybe 8 pt guys. Unknown non sworn

txleapd
10-08-2011, 17:53
I think we're somewhere between 1600-1700 sworn. I have no idea how many non-sworn.

packsaddle
10-08-2011, 18:41
Detective, assistant chief and chief. 4 full timers maybe 8 pt guys. Unknown non sworn

That's just about the right size in my opinion.

At an agency that size you're actually a real person, with a real family, and not just an employee number or line item.

Aux Bear
10-08-2011, 18:47
approx 800 sworn, 100 civilian. 75 reserves.

series1811
10-11-2011, 08:37
My old one was approximately 10,000, 6000 sworn. My new one is 5. :supergrin:

scottydl
10-11-2011, 08:53
Interesting results, thanks everyone for posting thus far!

I did an average with the 42 lowest numbers (everything under 1000 officers) and got 157 officers per agency.

Adding in the 1000-2000 agencies (only 8 listed), the average jumps to 371 officers. Obviously including the few 5000+ officers agencies listed here would raise the average even more, but it seems those kinds of numbers are only found in the largest U.S. cities and nationwide federal agencies.

Bruce M
10-11-2011, 09:05
~2900

JohnnyReb
10-11-2011, 09:39
We have over 600 employees, Sworn, Corrections and civilian.

wprebeck
10-11-2011, 09:45
~ 450 sworn staff, plus maybe 100 civilian

lndshark
10-11-2011, 16:15
21 sworn including reserves (2 reserve Sgts., 9 reserve officers). The balance include full and part-timers. On top of that, add one detective, two Sargents and one chief.

Milltown
10-12-2011, 08:12
This was like my last agency... more Chiefs than Indians. Actually the supervisor/subordinate ratio was just about 50/50, huge waste of resources and one of the reasons I left.


That is like the agency I reserve for with 17 officers.

1 Sheriff
1 Chief
1 Lt.
1 Sgt.
4 Cpl.
6 Patrol Officers
2 Detectives

8 Supervisors for 8 Officers. Now they think they need to create a Captain's position.

Kahr_Glockman
10-12-2011, 09:02
That is like the agency I reserve for with 17 officers.

1 Sheriff
1 Chief
1 Lt.
1 Sgt.
4 Cpl.
6 Patrol Officers
2 Detectives

8 Supervisors for 8 Officers. Now they think they need to create a Captain's position.

That is because they are trying to increase the pay rates with out giving an across the board pay raise. It is creative budgeting. My agency did that.

ditchdoc24
10-13-2011, 03:09
We have about 21 sworn with 8 in patrol, 3 in Fire Suppression (We're a Public Safety Department) and 3 in CID. We have a Chief, a Lieutenant and 5 Sergeants. I just turned in an application for a much larger SO in a neighboring county with over 100 sworn.

Milltown
10-13-2011, 17:37
That is because they are trying to increase the pay rates with out giving an across the board pay raise. It is creative budgeting. My agency did that.

The only issue is that the Lt. does pretty much nothing.

When the commissioners ask the Sheriff about what his duties were and what his new duties would be he pretty much balked at the answer, because he doesn't do anything and he wouldn't do anymore with the new title.

The only reason he has a job was because over 25 years ago he was the son-in-law of the elected Sheriff at that time.