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razdog76
10-03-2011, 19:26
I am currently using a P220 carry elite. Things I love about the pistol is that it is both mechanically accurate, and easy for me to shoot well.

Downside is the DA/SA thing, and magazine capacity of 8.

Bought a P229e2 thinking that it would have the same ergonomics as the P220 with more capacity like my G22... no dice. DA/SA is still an issue with my stubby trigger finger going from double digit trigger pull to SA. It just won't break in as well as the P220.

After a couple rum drinks, and some Glocktalk reading, I decided to create the best of both Sig and Glock by reshaping the backstrap of my G22 with my gas stove.

Eureka, it points a little more naturally for me, but doesn't look like some of the abominations people call grip reductions I have seen.

4949shooter
10-03-2011, 19:47
Pics!

msu_grad_121
10-03-2011, 20:05
Pics!

This. I was half expecting to hear how bad it got effed up, especially hearing "rum drinks" and "gas stove." Now, had you included the phrases "Hey guys, watch this," or "I've got a HELL of an idea," you'd be describing every stupid thing I've ever done since just about birth. :supergrin:

Can't wait to see em!

razdog76
10-03-2011, 20:45
Thanks guys, glad to give you a little humor.

So far it is not as nice a job as the removal of the finger grooves on my G27. I did fill in the lanyard hole, and removed of all of the distorted checkering with a butter knife. I have to decide how I want to stipple the backstrap now.

msu_grad_121
10-03-2011, 21:00
Not bad, simple and clean. Granted, I actually like the checkering and finger grooves, but at the very least, you saved yourself a couple hundred bucks sending it off to someone to do the exact same thing.

Well done, sir! :wavey:

razdog76
10-03-2011, 21:12
Seriously, I used the gas stove so I would get even heat over the area.

I pressed it into a .5 inch white plastic cutting board to apply even pressure, and act as a heat sink. The process took about 45 minutes.

In my G27, I used some large flat files to remove the finger groove humps, and polished it smooth again with fine wet sand paper. The original checkering was marked with heavy tape. Nobody notices the difference until I tell them about it, and then they comment about how much they like it.

Aesthetics will always be a part of gunsmithing.

wjv
10-03-2011, 21:45
SIG offers a "short trigger" for most of their guns.

They really do work. I had one on my 228 many years ago.

They're cheap, and I installed mine myself in just a few minutes.

razdog76
10-03-2011, 22:20
SIG offers a "short trigger" for most of their guns.

They really do work. I had one on my 228 many years ago.

They're cheap, and I installed mine myself in just a few minutes.

Thanks, but I have considered that. Both my P220 and P229 have them. The P229 DA pull is too long, and the SA is too short. I have futzed with it too long, and will part with it since there I cannot fix it without another $100 worth of parts to make it a DAK.

My money could be better spent on paying off a debt, or acquiring a Benelli SBE.:supergrin:

Denikes
10-04-2011, 06:30
Thanks, but I have considered that. Both my P220 and P229 have them. The P229 DA pull is too long, and the SA is too short. I have futzed with it too long, and will part with it since there I cannot fix it without another $100 worth of parts to make it a DAK.

My money could be better spent on paying off a debt, or acquiring a Benelli SBE.:supergrin:

We just went to the P229 DAK. Overall I like the trigger a lot, but after years of DA/SA use I, like most of the "shooters" at the department, am having minor issues with the double reset. SWAT got to transition to P226 Elites and keep DA/SA. Bastards.

razdog76
10-04-2011, 07:11
We just went to the P229 DAK. Overall I like the trigger a lot, but after years of DA/SA use I, like most of the "shooters" at the department, am having minor issues with the double reset. SWAT got to transition to P226 Elites and keep DA/SA. Bastards.

IMHO, had they done something like S&W did with their older DAO third gen guns, having the hammer partially cocked, it would have been a much more successful design.

A short reset could have been used, shorter trigger stroke, and one lighter trigger pull. All things that Glock was able to capitalize on.

That, and making a very fat grip making it not as easy to index as a P226. Why they didn't just offer a 4" barrel on the P226, and save bazillions by only having to produce one magazine body I will never understand.

RVER
10-04-2011, 14:42
I've been carrying Glocks since about 1987 and the biggest problem that I have noticed with them is shooter boredom. Glock should include an "as issued" 1911 with every Glock to help carry someone through the long boring periods of time when you just have to play with something gun related... just saying.

I too wish that the empty space on the back strap was removed and that Glock returned to the original pebble textured grip frame. Wonder where my original G17 is... wish that I would have kept it.

4949shooter
10-04-2011, 15:54
Nice job on the polymer. It looks ergonomic..

RVER
10-04-2011, 17:35
Raz,
The more I look at the work, the more I appreciate it and your ingenuity. Please keep us apprised of your progress. Have you shot it and if so have you noticed any changes in how the frame flexes / recoil?

Thanks

blueberry1177
10-04-2011, 20:13
well done, nice to hear your PD allows multiple choices of duty weapons.

I kinda want to buy a sig too....too bad cash is tight right now

razdog76
10-04-2011, 22:04
Raz,
The more I look at the work, the more I appreciate it and your ingenuity. Please keep us apprised of your progress. Have you shot it and if so have you noticed any changes in how the frame flexes / recoil?

Thanks

I cannot take credit for it. I got the idea from someone in Glocktalk, I just can't remember the key words I used to find it. I read about it a long time ago, and then was reminded of it via google.

I have not shot it yet, but plan on running it through a qualification course this month. One thing I did not like about the typical grip reduction is the removal of that space.

When the gun fires, that back part will flex. If it gets chopped off, or filled with epoxy then it is no longer able to do this. I did not compromise the integrity of the back strap, and the important internal dimensions were not changed.

Will it matter? I can't say for certain. I am blessed to have a Chief Firearms Instructor that make sure it is good to go before allowing it, but is also flexible enough to allow any quality DA, DA/SA pistols in an approved caliber, and mods that will improve reliability/safety.

msu_grad_121
10-04-2011, 23:17
When the gun fires, that back part will flex. If it gets chopped off, or filled with epoxy then it is no longer able to do this. I did not compromise the integrity of the back strap, and the important internal dimensions were not changed.


I was wondering about that. Let us know how she shoots now. I've got to admit, it crossed my mind about something happening to put the reliability into the toilet, but it sounds like this ain't your first rodeo, and you've got your bases covered. Looking forward to hearing glowing reviews about the "new" old gun!