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Pro 2A
10-05-2011, 22:14
Figuring I can get U.S. mfg. 9mm for about $15 per 50 (I'm in the OH/KY/IN tri-state area), how much could I save with a reloader per 50 and how long would it take to pay off the investment in all the equipment?

I'm happy to get the equip. if it's worth it and really appreciate the sticky posts for beginners. But without knowing the costs of all I need (bullets, cases, powder, etc.) and the initial investment costs (though the sticky does list a few of the costs) I can't seem to figure out if it will be cost effective enough to make it worth it.

Are the bullets, cases, etc. available on-line? Can the powder be mailed or does a local supplier need to be found.


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Tpro
10-05-2011, 22:29
The short answer is yes. But that is the short answer. How much do you shoot? How much TIME are you willing to invest in learning how to reload safely and correctly? How much TIME are you willing to spend reloading? How much are you willing to spend to reload AT THAT LEVEL. I said at that level because if you shoot 500 rounds a month a Lee Classic turret is more than enough and can be had for about $300.00 with a scale and reloading manual. You'll still need bullets, brass and powder. That is the LEAST press I recommend. Others will say single stage. I say don't waste your time.

Plus you can make better ammo if you do it correctly. And what will you do if there is an ammo shortage? When you can go to wally world and buy ammo?

If you are reasonably intelligent and cautious you can reload safely in a short amount of time.

Good luck.

CitizenOfDreams
10-05-2011, 23:02
The components for one 9mm round will cost you 15 cents or less if you buy them bulk.

A single stage press with all the accessories (dies, scale, powder measure, tumbler...)can be bought for as little as $300. If you don't shoot thousands of rounds each month, it could be all you ever need.

atakawow
10-05-2011, 23:14
Figuring I can get U.S. mfg. 9mm for about $15 per 50 (I'm in the OH/KY/IN tri-state area), how much could I save with a reloader per 50 and how long would it take to pay off the investment in all the equipment?

I'm happy to get the equip. if it's worth it and really appreciate the sticky posts for beginners. But without knowing the costs of all I need (bullets, cases, powder, etc.) and the initial investment costs (though the sticky does list a few of the costs) I can't seem to figure out if it will be cost effective enough to make it worth it.

Are the bullets, cases, etc. available on-line? Can the powder be mailed or does a local supplier need to be found.


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$15.00 for a box of 50?!? You must be out of your mind to be paying that much for 9mm.

For me, I cast/reload 9mm and my cost is about $5 per 100 round, $2.50 per 50. This is just components cost. Brass is free.

The investment into equipment is paid for the first couple of months.

freakshow10mm
10-05-2011, 23:20
Brass: free (pick them off the ground or buy them for $20/K and reload them ten times. They are worth $.002, 2 tenths of a cent, per shot so why bother counting?)
Powder: $20
Primer: $30 per K
Bullet: $80 per K for jacketed
$66 per K for lead

Looking at $130 per K for jacketed or $116 per K for lead.

Powder and primers have a Hazardous Materials fee of $25 per shipment. Sometimes you can save money buying local. What I suggest is to buy a pound locally to try it out. If you like it, get an 8lb keg or two to spread out the HazMat fee and shipping charges. You'll save money that way.

With reloading, buying in bulk (at least 1,000 bullets, 8lb powder, 5,000 primers) will save more money than small lots.

Pro 2A
10-06-2011, 00:01
Thanks all! Looks like I'll be looking more into reloading :-) $5 per 100 rounds sounds sweet! Time isn't a problem for me and I can be meticulous with things that matter. Things that go bang fall into that category :-)

I'd like to do more IDPA and IPSC matches (1 each per month) with the occasional GSSF shoots and occasional practice shoots. So about 500 rounds per month? I am a fair weather shooter though, so the upcoming cold weather months will give me time to practice with the loading to get ready for shooting in the spring. This will also give my husband another set of items to add to my gift lists besides tools and guns
:eyelashes:

BUG'S
10-06-2011, 04:43
Pro 2A: The biggest advantage in reloading is to be able to fine tune your loads for accuracy in each gun. Can also reduce loads to control recoil, muzzle rise etc.

leeward419
10-06-2011, 04:56
The amount of savings depends on the bullet cost, the most "expensive" component.
Primers next
My savings are
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ron59
10-06-2011, 07:23
My cost for loading jacketed is closer to $128 per 1000 or $12.80 per 100.

However, to realize THOSE costs... it's not cheap. I buy 10,000 primers at a time *along* with some powder. That's $400 right there. I buy bullets 3000 at a time, another $310. You have to buy the components in large bulk quantities to see the types of savings you see mentioned here (or you're casting your own lead bullets).

But I see that I save over $100 for every 1000 rounds I shoot, my press has been paid for as I've loaded/shot close to 40,000 rounds in over 2 years.

rpgman
10-06-2011, 07:35
Ron,

I purchased 2000 bullets from Precision Delta two days ago.
What's their turn around time?

I didn't get any e-mail confirmation or anything.
Is that unusual?
thanks,
greg

xXGearheadXx
10-06-2011, 07:46
I've cut the cost of shooting in half by reloading 9mm.

Cases: recycled
Bullets: $.082 apeice delivered (jacketed hollow points)
Primers: $.025 apeice
Powder: .005 per round, but this depends on type used and amount...a half cent per round is my rough estimate.

That brings down the cost to 11.2 cents a round...at $15/50 you're paying 30 cents per round...if you're shooting a lot, it's well worth it.

Lets assume you invest roughly $900 in equipment for 9mm only (calipers, scale press, dies, tumber, separator, pulller, etc...) at saving 18.8 cents a round, you'll pay for the equipment in 4787 rounds...that's 4 months assuming 1200 rounds a month.

If you have to buy new cases you won't be saving much off the bat...but if you've been stashing your once fired for a while you're set...

Agent6-3/8
10-06-2011, 08:26
In my experience, the general saving is about 50% over factory ammo. Some of the uber cheap crap out there will lower the margin, but once you get rolling, you can load high quality ammo for 25-50% of factory costs. (and even more so than high end factory stuff.

I also have to second CitizenOfDreams' suggestion of a single stage setup if you don't shoot a whole heck of a lot. I shoot somewhere around 400 rounds a month on average, certainly less than 1,000. I've been loading on a single stage setup (and mostly LEE stuff too! *gasp*) for about 10 years now and it really has served me well. I've got my methods refined to the point I can load about 70-100 rounds a hour depending on what I'm loading.

cowboy1964
10-06-2011, 08:30
I load 9mm with plated bullets for about 12-13 cents each. Cheapest I can ever buy commercial stuff is about $11 when you factor in shipping or sales tax. So it's worth it. I also load 45 ACP and 38 Special and the savings are even greater there.

fredj338
10-06-2011, 09:04
The components for one 9mm round will cost you 15 cents or less if you buy them bulk.

A single stage press with all the accessories (dies, scale, powder measure, tumbler...)can be bought for as little as $300. If you don't shoot thousands of rounds each month, it could be all you ever need.

Not unless you are buying the wrong places. At current price levels, buying in bulk, you can do 9mm for just under $11/100. So anytime I can save 50% off osmething, I think I am saving a good amount of money. While not needed, a progressive press eliminates the time factor that many complain about when reloading. Using a 650 w/ case feeder, your effective hourly rate loading is around $50/hr for 9mm. Since I don't net $50/hr, it's like someone is paying me to reload my own ammo.:supergrin:
Thanks all! Looks like I'll be looking more into reloading :-) $5 per 100 rounds sounds sweet! Time isn't a problem for me and I can be meticulous with things that matter.
BTW, no one is reloading 9mm for that unless they are quoting you from supplies bought years ago. Sure, I still have primers I bought in 1993 for $10/K, but that doesn't help a noob understand actual costs. Even casting your own from scrounged alloy & using range pickup brass, you are barely touching $5/100.

TonyT
10-06-2011, 09:17
Figuring I can get U.S. mfg. 9mm for about $15 per 50 (I'm in the OH/KY/IN tri-state area), how much could I save with a reloader per 50 and how long would it take to pay off the investment in all the equipment?

I'm happy to get the equip. if it's worth it and really appreciate the sticky posts for beginners. But without knowing the costs of all I need (bullets, cases, powder, etc.) and the initial investment costs (though the sticky does list a few of the costs) I can't seem to figure out if it will be cost effective enough to make it worth it.

Are the bullets, cases, etc. available on-line? Can the powder be mailed or does a local supplier need to be found.


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It all depends on how much you shoot and how much you value your time.

freakshow10mm
10-06-2011, 09:36
It all depends on how much you shoot and how much you value your time.
It's a HOBBY! There is no value to your time in a hobby.

Colorado4Wheel
10-06-2011, 10:17
Only way to reload 9mm for $5/100 is to make your own bullets.

M1A Shooter
10-06-2011, 10:22
i reload nato spec 124s for half the cost of WWB at wal-mart. last idpa club match i went to, the wwb wouldnt put down a steel target that was leaning forward but 124gr nato ammo would. anything in 40 or 45 would as well. so i load them as hot as i can manage and i pay about 120/k.

ron59
10-06-2011, 11:10
Ron,

I purchased 2000 bullets from Precision Delta two days ago.
What's their turn around time?

I didn't get any e-mail confirmation or anything.
Is that unusual?
thanks,
greg

I've actually only used PD bullets once. A buddy and I went together and bought 10,000.... 5,000 for each of us. He made the order and I just paid him my half (came out to $90 per 1000 with the bulk discount they have).

I don't know about the email... I'd assume they sent one. When we ordered them, they were in stock and we had them within a week or so. The *danger* with PD and 147grainers, is when they are on backorder, it can take awhile. Back in 2009 I placed an order in March, in October they called asking if I still wanted them. I laughed, I had made/received 2 or 3 orders from Montana Gold by then.

I checked last week and they were on backorder, but checking just now they have them. So I'd expect you to get them within a week or two. They're good bullets, you'll like them.

fredj338
10-06-2011, 11:24
It all depends on how much you shoot and how much you value your time.

So you missed the part where I calculated the hourly rate upwards of $50/hr? That means you must make $80/hr to net $50 that reloading your own 9mm saves you. I don't know many people making $166K/yr.:dunno: If I did, I would probably buy my 9mm too.

rpgman
10-06-2011, 11:35
I've actually only used PD bullets once. A buddy and I went together and bought 10,000.... 5,000 for each of us. He made the order and I just paid him my half (came out to $90 per 1000 with the bulk discount they have).

I don't know about the email... I'd assume they sent one. When we ordered them, they were in stock and we had them within a week or so. The *danger* with PD and 147grainers, is when they are on backorder, it can take awhile. Back in 2009 I placed an order in March, in October they called asking if I still wanted them. I laughed, I had made/received 2 or 3 orders from Montana Gold by then.

I checked last week and they were on backorder, but checking just now they have them. So I'd expect you to get them within a week or two. They're good bullets, you'll like them.

Oh, I thouhgt you ordered PD all the time.
My mistake.

Yeah, they e-mailed me back after I e-mauiled them yesterday and stated they shipped USPS Priority Mail on Monday...so, I should get them today or tomarrow.

So, maybe next time I'll order from Montana Gold.

THanks for the reply,

BTW, are you going to Charleston, SC?
Greg

M1A Shooter
10-06-2011, 13:00
i just got 2K of Extreme plated from TJConevera. their plating is thicker and you can load these to jacketed specs unlike the Berry's. i have no problems loading them with 5.3gr of WSF which is max load. 5.1gr is the most accurate load though.

beancounter81
10-06-2011, 13:27
Ron,

I purchased 2000 bullets from Precision Delta two days ago.
What's their turn around time?

I didn't get any e-mail confirmation or anything.
Is that unusual?
thanks,
greg


I ordered 2000 124gr from Precision Delta on Monday. Got a confirmation email after placing the order online. They shipped on Tuesday and showed up today.

rpgman
10-06-2011, 13:37
I ordered 2000 124gr from Precision Delta on Monday. Got a confirmation email after placing the order online. They shipped on Tuesday and showed up today.

cool, I ordered the same amount, but split between .40 and 9mm and ordered on Tuesday. Never got an e-mail, but I e-mailed them yesterday and they answered this morning via e-mail stating they received the order and it shipped Tuesday.

Hopefully, it'll arrive today.

Pro 2A
10-06-2011, 14:17
Thanks for the additional info. Even if it's $6 per 50, it's still close to half of the lowest prices I have seen around here for store bought. The sporting goods store had a sale recently for $9.99/box + tax so I bought quite a bit, but it's almost gone now.

We're having a warm snap, but my guess is this month will be the last month for shooting for me till Spring. So I have a few months to get set-up and loading.

Do the reloader machines go on sale around Christmas? Or are prices pretty steady?

Colorado4Wheel
10-06-2011, 17:27
Do the reloader machines go on sale around Christmas? Or are prices pretty steady?

Dillon is on sale now. Simply because the price is likely to go up early next year. :crying:

Boxerglocker
10-06-2011, 17:37
It all depends on how much you shoot and how much you value your time.

It's a HOBBY! There is no value to your time in a hobby.

Your both right to a degree, the way I see it. I personally do not see reloading itself as a hobby, but a by product in support of my primary hobby which is shooting.
Again it all boils down to you initial investment in tooling and your requirements for numbers of rounds a month. I reduced my time at the bench by 50% for my total monthly requirement of 2K +/- by going to a XL650 from a SDB.

M1A Shooter
10-06-2011, 18:15
i view rifle loading a hobby but 9mm plinking ammo is just about shooting more for the same money. i reload in the evenings when there isnt much else going on.

jfrey
10-06-2011, 18:58
i just got 2K of Extreme plated from TJConevera. their plating is thicker and you can load these to jacketed specs unlike the Berry's. i have no problems loading them with 5.3gr of WSF which is max load. 5.1gr is the most accurate load though.

I'm running 5.0 gr. WSF under my 115 gr. Berry's bullets and it is a very accurate load. I went up to 5.4 on some FMJ bullets and the accuracy fell off really bad.

Reloading is a decision we all have to make depending on how much we shoot and how much we expect to save over store bought ammo. I bought a Dillon SDB press for .45 ACP/LC at first and paid it off rather quickly. I can load .45 LC for about $17.00/100. They are running around $30.00/50 box locally so the savings build quick at that rate. That worked out so well I bought a second SDB for 9mm and paid it off in the first year with no problem. Good equipment does cost more but it is worth it in the long run.

fredj338
10-06-2011, 21:23
Thanks for the additional info. Even if it's $6 per 50, it's still close to half of the lowest prices I have seen around here for store bought. The sporting goods store had a sale recently for $9.99/box + tax so I bought quite a bit, but it's almost gone now.

We're having a warm snap, but my guess is this month will be the last month for shooting for me till Spring. So I have a few months to get set-up and loading.

Do the reloader machines go on sale around Christmas? Or are prices pretty steady?

If you want a quality progressive, they rarely go on sale, Dillon never, they don't have to offer them cheaper. As Steve noted, they often go up every year a bit. It does make the LNL more desireable for those that want a decent progressive & not spend more for the Dillon.

atakawow
10-06-2011, 21:40
Fred,

My last purchase of components was in Thanksgiving season of last year. This came from Wideners.

I got 17k Wolf SPP, 8lb jug of Unique, 4lb jug of 2400. My total bill including shipping + hazmat came out to be around $450-460.

My cost for 9mm per 1000:

1k primer $15 + $1 (hazmat + shipping) = $16.00

2/3 of a lb of Unique $8 + .65 = $8.65

Free brass.

I cast my bullets. Say, at 125gr, I would need about 18 pounds of lead. My price of lead that I purchased in March of this year was $50 for about 55-60 pounds shipped. 18 pounds of lead would cost me about $20.00.

So (16 + 8.65 + 20) / 10 = $ 4.465 per 100 rounds of 9mm. Round it up to $5.00 for utilities cost.

freakshow10mm
10-06-2011, 22:32
Your both right to a degree, the way I see it. I personally do not see reloading itself as a hobby, but a by product in support of my primary hobby which is shooting.
I see it as a hobby that supports another. Handloading is a hobby in and of itself.

Tying (sp?) your own flies for fly fishing is a hobby in and of itself that supports another.

fredj338
10-07-2011, 00:04
Fred,

My last purchase of components was in Thanksgiving season of last year. This came from Wideners.

I got 17k Wolf SPP, 8lb jug of Unique, 4lb jug of 2400. My total bill including shipping + hazmat came out to be around $450-460.

My cost for 9mm per 1000:

1k primer $15 + $1 (hazmat + shipping) = $16.00

2/3 of a lb of Unique $8 + .65 = $8.65

Free brass.

I cast my bullets. Say, at 125gr, I would need about 18 pounds of lead. My price of lead that I purchased in March of this year was $50 for about 55-60 pounds shipped. 18 pounds of lead would cost me about $20.00.

So (16 + 8.65 + 20) / 10 = $ 4.465 per 100 rounds of 9mm. Round it up to $5.00 for utilities cost.

As I said previously, if you cast from scrounged alloy, yes youc an just make it under $5/100, but it's not a useful number when trying to explain to a noob what his cost should/could/would be. One can reload all the service calibers for the same cost as they all take the same primer & powder (cost wise), the bullet being the diff & since they are free for your time, yeah, I reload my 45acp for little less than $5/100.:supergrin:

cole
10-07-2011, 00:08
FMJ = <$100/1k
LRN = <$85/1k

Popsmoke
10-10-2011, 08:45
Here's my workup for 9mm - prices are approximate, discounts may apply:
Brass per 1000 pcs from Gunbroker.com - about $ 35.00
Bullets, Midway USA, ------------------ about $130.00
Powder, local gunshow ---------------- about $ 25.00
Primers, local gunshow ---------------- about $ 25.00

As you can see, I buy components for about 1000 rounds at a time. That about break even with good 9mm ammo. If you can manage to pick up used brass, then you save, if you can strike a deal for bullets, then even more.

Reloading ammo, for me, is like brewing you own beer. Dont do it to save money, do it because you like to, and maybe get to a batch that suits you better.

fredj338
10-10-2011, 09:09
Here's my workup for 9mm - prices are approximate, discounts may apply:
Brass per 1000 pcs from Gunbroker.com - about $ 35.00
Bullets, Midway USA, ------------------ about $130.00
Powder, local gunshow ---------------- about $ 25.00
Primers, local gunshow ---------------- about $ 25.00

As you can see, I buy components for about 1000 rounds at a time. That about break even with good 9mm ammo. If you can manage to pick up used brass, then you save, if you can strike a deal for bullets, then even more.

Reloading ammo, for me, is like brewing you own beer. Dont do it to save money, do it because you like to, and maybe get to a batch that suits you better.

Unless you throw way your brass, I never count bras cost. Buyin once fired @ that cost amortizes to less than 1c.case loaded only 5x. If you are buying even once fired brass everytim you load 9mm, you don't save much over cheap Wolf/Tula/Blaser. You'll do better getting bullets almost anyplace but Midway & powder would be cheaper bought in 4#-8# jugs from PV or Graf's, along w/ primers, you'll save buying online.:dunno:

M1A Shooter
10-10-2011, 10:43
i agree. if you have to buy brass every time, buy some wolf or whatever is cheap loaded ammo.
also look into Extreme Plated bullets at TJConevera.com their plating is thicker and they can be loaded to jacketed specs but they only run $79/k for 115gr and $83/k for 124gr and thats a shipped price.

fredj338
10-10-2011, 12:57
i agree. if you have to buy brass every time, buy some wolf or whatever is cheap loaded ammo.
also look into Extreme Plated bullets at TJConevera.com their plating is thicker and they can be loaded to jacketed specs but they only run $79/k for 115gr and $83/k for 124gr and thats a shipped price.

The FMJ from Precision Delta are cheaper still & not plated.:supergrin:

TxDoubleAgent
10-10-2011, 13:12
I guess it all depends then on your location in the country. I'm getting WWB for $21 on the 100. And at Acedemy Sports and Outdoors getting the Eastern Bloc Monarch brass for $10 on the 50.

coachg
10-10-2011, 14:28
So you missed the part where I calculated the hourly rate upwards of $50/hr? That means you must make $80/hr to net $50 that reloading your own 9mm saves you. I don't know many people making $166K/yr.:dunno: If I did, I would probably buy my 9mm too.

I like that pretax calculation. I tell my kids that all the time. Learn to do things on your own and your effective savings is far greater than just your out of pocket cost.

Popsmoke
10-11-2011, 09:35
That my point, that reloading versus buying 9mm is not that much of a difference, perhaps $30.00 - 50.00 per 1000.

I like to reload, I find it interesting, relaxing, and fun.

I dont count my costs - and by the way for those who consider the cost of their time: that only works if there is somehting else you would be doing where you made that much. IE - reloading instead of playing xbox or watching TV is not 30/per hour invested. Taking the day off an hourly job to reload is.

ron59
10-11-2011, 11:04
That my point, that reloading versus buying 9mm is not that much of a difference, perhaps $30.00 - 50.00 per 1000.

I like to reload, I find it interesting, relaxing, and fun.

I dont count my costs - and by the way for those who consider the cost of their time: that only works if there is somehting else you would be doing where you made that much. IE - reloading instead of playing xbox or watching TV is not 30/per hour invested. Taking the day off an hourly job to reload is.

I don't know of anyplace where you can get 100 rounds for less than $20. Add tax, and you're looking at $220 per 1000. I can reload 1000 for $128. And that's FMJ 147grainers. If I was loading 115grainers, it would be close to $110 or something. Moly's? Under $100 per 1000.

Yes, I have to buy in bulk to achieve those costs, but it is doable.

fredj338
10-11-2011, 12:34
I don't know of anyplace where you can get 100 rounds for less than $20. Add tax, and you're looking at $220 per 1000. I can reload 1000 for $128. And that's FMJ 147grainers. If I was loading 115grainers, it would be close to $110 or something. Moly's? Under $100 per 1000.

Yes, I have to buy in bulk to achieve those costs, but it is doable.
Exaclty! If you are only saving $30/K, then you are doing something wrong, like buying brass everytime. The savings comes from reusing brass. if you throw it away, agreed, you can buy it almost as cheap, but it will be inferior ammo. Like ron, I reload jacketed 9mm for about $110/K @ todays prices. Even less w/ components bought years agon, but that isn't material is it.

rpgman
10-11-2011, 13:30
Exaclty! If you are only saving $30/K, then you are doing something wrong, like buying brass everytime. The savings comes from reusing brass. if you throw it away, agreed, you can buy it almost as cheap, but it will be inferior ammo. Like ron, I reload jacketed 9mm for about $110/K @ todays prices. Even less w/ components bought years agon, but that is material is it.

yep, bulk buy.

I just bought 20,000 primers at $114.99 for 5000, so buy in bulk and save more. They usually run $159.99 for 5000.
Greg

creophus
10-11-2011, 13:52
I didn't read every post thoroughly, so this may have been covered.

Keep in mind that the ammo you load should perform closer to match ammo than WWB. So while you are trying to beat WWB prices, what you get should be far more accurate. At least it is for me.

I have a Dillon SDB set up just for 9mm. I think it's very worth while.

ron59
10-11-2011, 14:01
yep, bulk buy.

I just bought 20,000 primers at $114.99 for 5000, so buy in bulk and save more. They usually run $159.99 for 5000.
Greg

VERY WISE!!!!!

I saw that deal at Grafs with the CCI primers.

rpgman
10-11-2011, 14:07
VERY WISE!!!!!

I saw that deal at Grafs with the CCI primers.

yep, I knew you would see it.

I just needed primers real bad....I'm sure I could have waited for a better deal, but .022 a primer ain't bad.
Greg

M1A Shooter
10-11-2011, 15:23
I didn't read every post thoroughly, so this may have been covered.

Keep in mind that the ammo you load should perform closer to match ammo than WWB. So while you are trying to beat WWB prices, what you get should be far more accurate. At least it is for me.

I have a Dillon SDB set up just for 9mm. I think it's very worth while.

i load mine to full power with heavier bullets and get better accuracy at half the price of wwb locally.

ron59
10-11-2011, 15:23
yep, I knew you would see it.

I just needed primers real bad....I'm sure I could have waited for a better deal, but .022 a primer ain't bad.
Greg

Good deal that you saw/found it, and BOUGHT SO MANY when you did.

I bought 20,000 earlier this year before the projected price increase. Primers have gone up $3-$4 per K since I got my Federals from Powder Valley.