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rpgman
10-07-2011, 14:05
for anyone in this forum on helping me learn how to load.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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I really do appreciate the time and patience of all of you.<o:p></o:p>
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I created about 15 rounds of .40 last night for the 165gr Hornaday bullets I had using 5.8gr of Unique with OAL between 1.127 and 1.130.<o:p></o:p>
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I'm going to try them out at the range around 6pm tonight.<o:p></o:p>
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Hopefully, the accuracy will be there and less recoil on my G27.<o:p></o:p>
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But, I do thank every one of you and think this forum is a big help to us NEWBIE loaders trying to learn.<o:p></o:p>
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Colorado4Wheel
10-07-2011, 15:10
One last piece of advice....

Cup and Turn.

RustyFN
10-07-2011, 15:14
Congrats, looking forward to hearing how they shot.

PCJim
10-07-2011, 15:17
Find a suitable tree to hug - you on one side and the 27 and your reloads on the other. :supergrin:

You'll sweat the first shot, then grin on the remaining 14. Congrats on the adventure!

MrSmoofy
10-07-2011, 15:55
for anyone in this forum on helping me learn how to load.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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I really do appreciate the time and patience of all of you.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
I created about 15 rounds of .40 last night for the 165gr Hornaday bullets I had using 5.8gr of Unique with OAL between 1.127 and 1.130.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
I'm going to try them out at the range around 6pm tonight.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
Hopefully, the accuracy will be there and less recoil on my G27.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
But, I do thank every one of you and think this forum is a big help to us NEWBIE loaders trying to learn.<o:p></o:p>
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Greg<o:p></o:p>
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Congrats I'm still on the fence on takeing the plunge. Which press did you end up with?

rpgman
10-07-2011, 16:10
The recoil was less but the accuracy could.be better also

I also shot 15 Georgia Arms just to compare.

Georgia Atms grouped better.

Any suggestions?

Boxerglocker
10-07-2011, 16:19
The recoil was less but the accuracy could.be better also

I also shot 15 Georgia Arms just to compare.

Georgia Atms grouped better.

Any suggestions?

Start bumping the load 0.1g at a time and see how it groups. Where is your charge in relation to your start/max load data?

rpgman
10-07-2011, 16:23
Start bumping the load 0.1g at a time and see how it groups. Where is your charge in relation to your start/max load data?

The charge ia ar. 5.8 of unique

Boxerglocker
10-07-2011, 16:30
What is the max charge published for that bullet?

rpgman
10-07-2011, 16:50
Lymans 49th states 6.0
Alliant's website suggest 5.8

Handload.com only has the 170 xtp at 6.7 with a suggested starting load of 6.0

ColoCG
10-07-2011, 17:01
Lymans 49th states 6.0
Alliant's website suggest 5.8

Handload.com only has the 170 xtp at 6.7 with a suggested starting load of 6.0


Actually Alliant's website shows 7.2gr of Unique as max. with a Gold dot.

I have loaded 6.5gr. with a Berry's 165grFP in both G23 and Kahr CW40 with no problem. I have also ran the load up to 7gr. with a Gold Dot with no pressure signs in the CW40.

You should be fine increasing at least to 6.5gr checking for pressure signs along the way. Congrats and Good Luck:wavey:

rpgman
10-07-2011, 17:05
Congrats I'm still on the fence on takeing the plunge. Which press did you end up with?

Im just starting out with a Lyman T-Mag II Turret press until I learn more than I'll get a Dillon 650B

rpgman
10-07-2011, 17:08
Actually Alliant's website shows 7.2gr of Unique as max. with a Gold dot.

I have loaded 6.5gr. with a Berry's 165grFP in both G23 and Kahr CW40 with no problem. I have also ran the load up to 7gr. with a Gold Dot with no pressure signs in the CW40.

You should be fine increasing at least to 6.5gr checking for pressure signs along the way. Congrats and Good Luck:wavey:

So move it up. 01gr at a time?
Also what would it be for a PD 165gr fmj?

Zombie Steve
10-07-2011, 17:15
Well, I'm no help with .40, but congrats on your first handloads. The hook is set now.

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ColoCG
10-07-2011, 17:18
So move it up. 01gr at a time?
Also what would it be for a PD 165gr fmj?


Basicly the same although you might need to adjust your COL somewhat. ai use the Berry's 165gr. FP which is a Truncated Cone bullet which I think is similar to the PD 165gr. and I load the Berry's at a COL of 1.125". You should be able to start about there.
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rpgman
10-07-2011, 17:24
Basicly the same although you might need to adjust your COL somewhat. ai use the Berry's 165gr. FP which is a Truncated Cone bullet which I think is similar to the PD 165gr. and I load the Berry's at a COL of 1.125". You should be able to start about there.
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So ur suggesting to go to 6.5gr now not by. 01gr with the xtp n PD 165gr n on the PD move back the col to 1.125?

ColoCG
10-07-2011, 17:26
Your initial accuracy might not have been what you expected, because guys have a tendency to shake and close their eyes on shooting their first reloads.:supergrin:

rpgman
10-07-2011, 17:28
Your initial accuracy might not have been what you expected, because guys have a tendency to shake and close their eyes on shooting their first reloads.:supergrin:

Nah I didn't

I was fine with it n went for it.

ColoCG
10-07-2011, 17:32
So ur suggesting to go to 6.5gr now not by. 01gr with the xtp n PD 165gr n on the PD move back the col to 1.125?


No! I was suggesting working your way up to 6.5 if neccesary to get better accuracy and when you start loading your PD bullets they could be loaded about the same oal and could be worked up in the same way. Probably to the same load you decide on for the XTP's.

Edit to add: I think you could probably increase your load by .2gr up to 6.5gr of Unique because your still quite aways from max of 7.2gr.

rpgman
10-07-2011, 17:34
No! I was suggesting working your way up to 6.5 if neccesary to get better accuracy and when you start loading your PD bullets they could be loaded about the same oal and could be worked up in the same way. Probably to the same load you decide on for the XTP's.

Ok got ya.
Thanx

ColoCG
10-07-2011, 17:40
Ok got ya.
Thanx


Sorry, I just edited my last post while you were typing.

rpgman
10-07-2011, 17:45
No! I was suggesting working your way up to 6.5 if neccesary to get better accuracy and when you start loading your PD bullets they could be loaded about the same oal and could be worked up in the same way. Probably to the same load you decide on for the XTP's.

Edit to add: I think you could probably increase your load by .2gr up to 6.5gr of Unique because your still quite aways from max of 7.2gr.

Yea im going with 15 rounds bumped up. 02 than 15 more at 6.2

rpgman
10-10-2011, 06:35
I went back to 5.8.
The 6.0's shot ok then down hill after that
Both the 6.2 and 6.4 shot bad.

ColoCG
10-10-2011, 09:02
I went back to 5.8.
The 6.0's shot ok then down hill after that
Both the 6.2 and 6.4 shot bad.

What kind of accuracy are you getting, and at what distance?

Are you using mixed brands of brass or all the same kind. You won't get the best accuracy with mixed brass. You will also get an uneven crimp on your cases with mixed brass.

Also how is your crimp? You should just be removing the bell out of the case mouth. Too much crimp can affect accuracy.

ETA: Check out this thread for other accuracy tips: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1373525

rpgman
10-10-2011, 09:10
What kind of accuracy are you getting, and at what distance?

Are you using mixed brands of brass or all the same kind. You won't get the best accuracy with mixed brass. You will also get an uneven crimp on your cases with mixed brass.

Also how is your crimp? You should just be removing the bell out of the case mouth. Too much crimp can affect accuracy.

yea, it's mixed brass....I forgot all about that.

Yep, I'm crimping just to get the bell out.

ColoCG
10-10-2011, 09:29
Speer #14 manual shows starting and max. charges of Unique for their 165gr bullets at 6.2gr. to 7.2gr.

So you still may reach your best accuracy by increasing your load .1gr. at a time.
Just watch for high pressure signs, such as brass ejecting much farther than normal, extremely flattened primers, cratered primers, sticky cases or failure to eject.

rpgman
10-10-2011, 10:14
Speer #14 manual shows starting and max. charges of Unique for their 165gr bullets at 6.2gr. to 7.2gr.

So you still may reach your best accuracy by increasing your load .1gr. at a time.
Just watch for high pressure signs, such as brass ejecting much farther than normal, extremely flattened primers, cratered primers, sticky cases or failure to eject.

ok, will; do.

btw the 49th Lyman Manual states a starting load of 5.4 with a max of 6.0 1.120 OAL.

Thanks for ur help!
Greg