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steveksux
10-07-2011, 17:20
http://www.freep.com/article/20111005/NEWS01/110050444

This was a cluster you know what from the start. Some teenage kid at a party store gives some guy a "look", so he goes home, gets a gun and kills the kid. Later swat goes to arrest him at his home, and this part gets murky, but as they gain entry, some contact is made with the grandmother, maybe a struggle, maybe just a bump, but a little kid sleeping on the couch gets hit with a round from the guy making entry. Turns out the guy was in the upstairs flat anyway, family lives in upper and lower.

Got to be a nightmare for all involved, living with that.

I'm not sure what to make of the charges. On the one hand, if there was an AD, most likely it was an ND, his finger was on the trigger when grandma collided with him if the gun went off. But coming in hot, with an armed and dangerous fugitive inside, maybe he just saw movement coming his way, mistook grandma for BG for a second, and contact made before he got finger off, bump directed muzzle toward girl, and that's what caused it? Don't know, my gut instinct is finger on trigger without target in sight= ND not just AD.

This was the raid that was being filmed by TV crews also, so there's speculation they went overboard for the cameras. After all, no reason to send swat in after a guy that shot someone over the wrong "look", who's still presumably armed and reluctant to go to jail, right? Right??? :faint:

Randy

Hollywood D
10-07-2011, 17:58
Why would a news crew know when and where something was going to take place, and why were they allowed to be close enough to film anything?

bci21984
10-07-2011, 19:49
IIRC, the film crew was from on of the "swat" shows and just happen to be tagging along on the call.

Agent6-3/8
10-07-2011, 20:47
The article says they were with the "First 48". Terribly sad situation all around.

mrsurfboard
10-07-2011, 21:02
In my state, NJ, non LE is not allowed at the execution of arrest/search warrants.

collim1
10-08-2011, 02:47
I hate to see any officer charged for an accident. However, anytime a child dies the public demands charges whether the person is LEO or not.

Detectorist
10-08-2011, 04:10
Sounds like a nightmare. I bet the cop who shot the kid isn't feeling too good right now.

Don't know what else the cops could have done different in this situation.

Deployment Solu
10-08-2011, 04:37
Sad that a life was lost.Hopefully the video will show what happened. Most people have NO idea what SWAT guys do and how difficult their jobs are. They make it look easy, most of the time. Too slow on the trigger and you are dead, too fast and bad thing happen. If grandma had ANY contact with the Officer or his weapon, then she is culpable in this shooting.

Peace Frog
10-08-2011, 05:35
Sad day when a innocent child is killed and I'm positive the officer feels horrible...

If the little girls daddy hadn't been part of a homicide this never would have happened.If grandma had just let the SWAT Team in and do their job without interfering this wouldn't have happened.
BTW the article mentions a civil suit if I remember correctly.Sad days for everyone involved.

Dragoon44
10-08-2011, 07:16
WTF is a ONE PERSON Grand Jury???????

And how is that even remotely legal?

steveksux
10-08-2011, 07:22
Why would a news crew know when and where something was going to take place, and why were they allowed to be close enough to film anything?
They were invited/tagging along filming for I think it was "The First 48" or some other reality tv show.

Randy

TKOFaith
10-08-2011, 07:26
WTF is a ONE PERSON Grand Jury???????

And how is that even remotely legal?

This^^^

I don't think one person is a Jury, let alone a Grand Jury!!:dunno:

steveksux
10-08-2011, 07:29
WTF is a ONE PERSON Grand Jury???????

And how is that even remotely legal?I wondered about that myself, a one person grand jury could indict half a ham sandwich and a cup of soup on the side... If one person is a grand Jury, what's a Petit Jury? Gary Coleman?

Randy

steveksux
10-08-2011, 07:39
If grandma had ANY contact with the Officer or his weapon, then she is culpable in this shooting.I agree with this completely, contact redirects the weapon pretty easily. What I'm having trouble getting past is without finger on the trigger, the weapon doesn't go off.

Obviously not swat here, but I have to believe the protocol is still finger off the trigger on an entry unless and until your sights are on a target. If you stack up on entry due to whatever reason, you'll be bumping each other, and if the weapon goes off, likely a team member is going to take a round.

There's a lot of stupid decisions on a whole lot of people's parts that set up the situation and led to the moment where a single momentary lapse on the officers part results in this tragedy, but my guess is he'll be the scapegoat and get hung out to dry on this one.

Randy

Mayhem like Me
10-08-2011, 08:24
In my state, NJ, non LE is not allowed at the execution of arrest/search warrants.

Same here.. they are not allowed anywhere regular joe can't be.

collim1
10-08-2011, 13:47
Also dont be fooled by the word grandmother. I seen plenty of 30 year old grandmothers in the projects. If she started a fight with the oncoming officers then I agree that she is responsible.

Jeff82
10-08-2011, 14:35
News report said that the whole "bump by grandma" thing was an attempt at covering up what really happened. (The First 48) video showed the shot actually being fired through a window from outside the house prior to (the shooters) entry. They also said that they were at the wrong house. The actual house (with the perp) was next door.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/WorldNews/detroit-police-covered-aiyanna-jones-died-raid-attorney/story?id=10677976

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/lawyer-details-deadly-police-raid-10676938

Dragoon44
10-08-2011, 15:36
The Lawyer claims he has seen a video NOT made by the film crew. Yet he has not produced the video. He also refers to the flash bang as an "Incendiary Bomb".

BailRecoveryAgent
10-08-2011, 15:56
Also dont be fooled by the word grandmother. I seen plenty of 30 year old grandmothers in the projects. If she started a fight with the oncoming officers then I agree that she is responsible.

A woman that I served child support papers to a couple weeks ago was 28, I repeat, 28 years old, and she was home babysitting her 3 month old grandkid who belongs to her 14 year old daughter. The apple, it falleth not far from the tree sometimes.

steveksux
10-08-2011, 16:31
The Lawyer claims he has seen a video NOT made by the film crew. Yet he has not produced the video. He also refers to the flash bang as an "Incendiary Bomb".Yup, that's Geoffrey Fieger, if you're not familiar with him, he's the guy that was defending Dr Kervorkian years ago when he was doing his handiwork. Remember Dr. Death? The assisted suicide advocate?

Randy

Mayhem like Me
10-08-2011, 16:41
WTF is a ONE PERSON Grand Jury???????

And how is that even remotely legal?
that was my first question ... Then I saw it was Detroit

CAcop
10-08-2011, 16:53
I agree with this completely, contact redirects the weapon pretty easily. What I'm having trouble getting past is without finger on the trigger, the weapon doesn't go off.Unless contact was so significant that the officer's finger was bounced onto the trigger. Pluss if he was trying to hang on with the other arm it could cause interlimb response.

Obviously not swat here, but I have to believe the protocol is still finger off the trigger on an entry unless and until your sights are on a target. If you stack up on entry due to whatever reason, you'll be bumping each other, and if the weapon goes off, likely a team member is going to take a round.

There's a lot of stupid decisions on a whole lot of people's parts that set up the situation and led to the moment where a single momentary lapse on the officers part results in this tragedy, but my guess is he'll be the scapegoat and get hung out to dry on this one.

Randy

Also add me to the list of WTF? one person grand jury?

scottydl
10-08-2011, 18:17
No winners in this situation at all.

If you get jammed up in some situation, just don't lie about it or attempt to cover up the truth. It will only make the end result worse for you, which is what I speculate is the case here with this officer. The SA/DA likely knows that some kind of face-saving cover up is/was attempted by the police agency, and they have to act in some way on the prosecutorial side or they look like they are in bed with shady police practices. So they have to pick someone to take the fall, and the officer whose weapon fired is the obvious choice.

RustyShackelford
10-08-2011, 18:44
Yup, that's Geoffrey Fieger, if you're not familiar with him, he's the guy that was defending Dr Kervorkian years ago when he was doing his handiwork. Remember Dr. Death? The assisted suicide advocate?

Randy

Not to thread-jack, but didn't Dr K assist those willing (seeking him out, actually) to leave this Earth with peace? Ending their suffering......?

steveksux
10-08-2011, 20:45
Not to thread-jack, but didn't Dr K assist those willing (seeking him out, actually) to leave this Earth with peace? Ending their suffering......?Mostly. He provided the means they used to end their own life, by their own hand, up until the last few patients. what did him in was a) actually activating the device for someone b) on videotape c) that he sent to TV stations and d) dumping Fieger as his lawyer and defending himself. He tried to push the envelope after getting a few acquittals on what he thought were "lawyer tricks", he wanted the issue resolved, getting off on technicalities and jury nullifications wasn't good enough.

Randy

merlynusn
10-09-2011, 11:08
I can see I'm late to the party. I again say, WTF is a one person grand jury?? That almost sounds like they are just trying to get it done so they can look like they are doing something. Is a one person GJ typical in Detroit?

The First 48 videographer (sp?) did not go into the house I believe. I think they were standing outside with the homicide detectives or something like that.

And I believe it was similar to a split house and he was in the other part of it, but lived in the one they went to. They are all related to the shooter too so it wasn't like it was just some random family they hit the wrong house on. I have never seen a GJ take 18 months either. This really sounds like a "gotta do something to make this go away" charge.

Dragoon44
10-09-2011, 18:52
What little I found on the subject it appears "One person Grand Jury's" are fairly common in Mich. and the "one person grand jury" is usually a Judge selected by his fellow Judges for the task.

Still does not sound right to me.

steveksux
10-09-2011, 22:26
I can see I'm late to the party. I again say, WTF is a one person grand jury?? That almost sounds like they are just trying to get it done so they can look like they are doing something. Is a one person GJ typical in Detroit? I've never heard of it, either, but it's not like that means anything, I'm definitely no expert.... Wife's just graduated as a paralegal, never heard of that either.

The First 48 videographer (sp?) did not go into the house I believe. I think they were standing outside with the homicide detectives or something like that. That's my understanding too, it happened so fast, as the entry began, some are even saying he fired from outside the house, before he made entry.

And I believe it was similar to a split house and he was in the other part of it, but lived in the one they went to. They are all related to the shooter too so it wasn't like it was just some random family they hit the wrong house on.Correct as well, its an upper and lower flat, the same extended family occupied both units. Not sure which one he lived in, but I thought I read at one point that they had warrants for both units, and hit them both simultaneously.

I have never seen a GJ take 18 months either. This really sounds like a "gotta do something to make this go away" charge.There was an outcry when it first happened, but haven't heard much about it for quite a while, I was surprised when charges were filed, figured he must have been cleared if nothing had happened by now.

Randy

NMPOPS
10-09-2011, 23:03
Regardless of how or why the round was fired; the officer who fired it is responsible! He is not a scapegoat. He should have had better trigger control and since he was apparently a SWAT member I don't think he can blame anyone but himself.

wct097
10-10-2011, 04:26
It's easy to be an armchair commando in the aftermath. I suspect that the officer making entry had no intention of being reckless and either simply made a mistake, or really was fighting for control of his weapon and actuated the trigger. Either way, it sucks for everyone involved.

scottydl
10-10-2011, 08:15
It's easy to be an armchair commando in the aftermath.

Very true, none of us really know the truth except those who were there... and maybe only that single officer. But,

really was fighting for control of his weapon and actuated the trigger.

If this was the case, any of us in the business know that his report would have clearly spelled this out. It wouldn't have been described as "bumping into the Grandma and gun going off" sort of thing.

As far as intent, the charges are Involuntary Manslaughter and Careless Discharge of a Firearm Causing Injury. Neither offense requires any preconceived criminal intent to do harm to someone. They are the charges commonly used in accidental shootings when a person is killed or seriously injured by another.

Ajon412
01-30-2015, 09:16
Update....

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/01/30/prosecutors-to-speak-about-dropping-case-against-detroit-cop-who-shot-girl/

Prosecutors are expected to explain why they won't seek a third trial in the case of a Detroit police officer who fatally shot a 7-year-old girl during a chaotic raid in 2010.

Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy announced Wednesday she was dropping the only remaining charge, a misdemeanor, against Joseph Weekley. A judge is holding a hearing Friday.

Weekley accidentally fired his gun, striking Aiyana Stanley-Jones in the head while she slept on a couch at her Detroit home. He says he was struggling with Aiyana's grandmother, although she has steadfastly denied it.

Weekley was charged with involuntary manslaughter. The first trial ended without a verdict in 2013. During a second trial, Judge Cynthia Gray Hathaway dismissed the felony after prosecutors presented their evidence.

ray9898
01-30-2015, 10:05
What a mess. They never even proved he fired the gun, he was in a struggle with the grandmother at the time it fired.

Bruce M
01-30-2015, 11:43
Sometimes, maybe more often then not, the system does work.

Patchman
01-30-2015, 12:22
I wish the best for Officer Weekley. I wonder if he intends to get back into LE, or reach a financial settlement with the City of Detroit. Hopefully, he'll laugh all the way to the bank.

Ajon412
01-30-2015, 14:35
Sometimes, maybe more often then not, the system does work.

Exactly... If it isn't there, it isn't there....

maxmanta
01-30-2015, 14:37
I wish the best for Officer Weekley. I wonder if he intends to get back into LE, or reach a financial settlement with the City of Detroit. Hopefully, he'll laugh all the way to the bank.

Right. Kill an innocent person and win the lottery.

Unbelievable.

Patchman
01-30-2015, 14:41
Right. Kill an innocent person and win the lottery.

Unbelievable.


Wrong. The grandmother caused the girl's death by intentionally struggling with the cop. Of course, the grandmother has continued to steadfastly deny it.

Believe it.

Mayhem like Me
01-30-2015, 15:39
Wrong. The grandmother caused the girl's death by intentionally struggling with the cop. Of course, the grandmother has continued to steadfastly deny it.

Believe it.

Don't waste your breath they would rather believe cops are trigger happy buffoons that like to go around blasting innocent children.

It somehow vindicates some of the life choices they made

Naelbis
01-30-2015, 15:40
I wish the best for Officer Weekley. I wonder if he intends to get back into LE, or reach a financial settlement with the City of Detroit. Hopefully, he'll laugh all the way to the bank.

A little girl is dead, you should be more respectful of that. Her father's sins were not hers to bear and your post is extremely disrespectful. No one should be laughing about any of this. :steamed:

maxmanta
01-30-2015, 16:12
Don't waste your breath they would rather believe cops are trigger happy buffoons that like to go around blasting innocent children.

It somehow vindicates some of the life choices they made

Yeah...that parking ticket I got in college has really colored my view of law enforcement.

Mayhem like Me
01-30-2015, 16:24
Yeah...that parking ticket I got in college has really colored my view of law enforcement.

It was not critical thinking or independent thought.

Patchman
01-30-2015, 16:39
A little girl is dead, you should be more respectful of that. Her father's sins were not hers to bear and your post is extremely disrespectful. No one should be laughing about any of this. :steamed:

For the girl's death, the DA needed to satisfy the community with a scapegoat. The grandmother or the cop? The grandmother or the cop? DA chose the cop.

At cop's first trial, jury cannot reach a verdict. At cop's second trial, the DA puts out all the evidence they have. Upon hearing the evidence, the judge immediately throws out the charges against the cop.

So yes, the cop should laugh all the way to the bank.

Cops understand who's the high value scapegoat.

You were never a cop.

cherokeewarrior
01-30-2015, 16:56
And he/she never will be---I hope!

maxmanta
01-30-2015, 17:14
It was not critical thinking or independent thought.

Sigh…my point is this: I have absolutely no reason to dislike law enforcement. I’ve met a few and they all seemed like decent enough people. But an innocent life was take by a cop’s bullet, and for you to hope that he “laughs all the way to the bank” is...let just say it's troubling.

As far as your personal attacks on my life choices (not that you know anything about me) are concerned, I’ve made some unwise ones but, overall, things have turned out well. Thank you for your concern.

Bruce M
01-30-2015, 17:26
Some crimes are dangerous enough to society and those around the subjects that they are felonious. Some understand that. Some do not and sometimes family members pay.

Patchman
01-30-2015, 17:30
Sigh…my point is this: I have absolutely no reason to dislike law enforcement. I’ve met a few and they all seemed like decent enough people. But an innocent life was take by a cop’s bullet, and for you to hope that he “laughs all the way to the bank” is...let just say it's troubling.

The grandmother was struggling with the cop who had his gun in his hand. The grandmother was struggling with the cop who had his gun in his hand. The grandmother was struggling with the cop who had his gun in his hand. Oh yes, the grandma was fighting with the cop who had a loaded gun in his hand.

People wrongly accused due to political expediency should be allowed to laugh all the way to the bank.

Or do you disagree? That would be troubling.

Mayhem like Me
01-30-2015, 18:49
Sigh…my point is this: I have absolutely no reason to dislike law enforcement. I’ve met a few and they all seemed like decent enough people. But an innocent life was take by a cop’s bullet, and for you to hope that he “laughs all the way to the bank” is...let just say it's troubling.

As far as your personal attacks on my life choices (not that you know anything about me) are concerned, I’ve made some unwise ones but, overall, things have turned out well. Thank you for your concern.

Something harmed your ability to reason no one attacked you, over dramatize much.

scottydl
01-30-2015, 19:10
Shooting = tragic on all sides and could have been avoided by the grandmother not fighting with an armed officer effecting a search warrant. The girl was the most innocent victim in all ways and nobody will deny that.

Bank = the settlement the police officer might expect in a civil action against the court system for repeated, (apparently) baseless prosecution attempts. His career is likely ruined and on a personal note he will have to bear the burden of victim's death for the rest of his life.

He would not be "laughing all the way to the bank" because an innocent child victim died. It's a figure of speech. I would agree he at least deserves to fight for any lost income (past and future) due to this incident.

Naelbis
01-30-2015, 19:53
For the girl's death, the DA needed to satisfy the community with a scapegoat. The grandmother or the cop? The grandmother or the cop? DA chose the cop.

At cop's first trial, jury cannot reach a verdict. At cop's second trial, the DA puts out all the evidence they have. Upon hearing the evidence, the judge immediately throws out the charges against the cop.

So yes, the cop should laugh all the way to the bank.

Cops understand who's the high value scapegoat.

You were never a cop.

Your attitude is a disgrace and you should be ashamed. The system WORKED so the officer didn't go to prison, GOOD. Should anyone be laughing? ******* no, a little girl is still dead dude!

And he/she never will be---I hope!

<He, and nope I walked away from the SO already to save my sanity and family. I have regrets, but more and more I see I made the right choice.

steveksux
01-30-2015, 20:13
For the girl's death, the DA needed to satisfy the community with a scapegoat. The grandmother or the cop? The grandmother or the cop? DA chose the cop.

At cop's first trial, jury cannot reach a verdict. At cop's second trial, the DA puts out all the evidence they have. Upon hearing the evidence, the judge immediately throws out the charges against the cop.

So yes, the cop should laugh all the way to the bank.

Cops understand who's the high value scapegoat.

You were never a cop.

This was weird case. I think the first trial, 2nd degree murder charges were dropped. Deadlock on Inv Man, accidental discharge.

The 2nd trial, the judge dismissed the felony involuntary manslaughter charge. If memory serves, it was because the prosecutor didn't prove intent. I think it was a summary dismissal, something like that was how it was described.

Prosecutor appeals the decision, saying intent was not required for the charge. The appeals courts agrees, the judge made a mistake dismissing the charge, HOWEVER, the type of dismissal it was invokes double jeopardy, and even though the judge was wrong, the charges have to stay dropped.

The jury deadlocked on those charges the first time though, so maybe would have done so the 2nd time. Jury did deadlock on the accidental discharge the 2nd time also.

So after 2 mistrials and only the misdemeanor charges remaining, I can see the prosecutor saying "Why bother". Unlikely to win the third time after losing twice, and the potential sentence for the remaining charge being a misdemeanor would be a slap on the wrist even if they somehow manage to win a conviction.

Regarding the prosecutor, I'm generally a fan. She is not afraid to go after people when necessary, she struggles to do the right thing. She's the one that nailed Kwame Kilpatrick back when he looked untouchable. She's been a bulldog in getting thousands of abandoned rape kits worked without the budget to get it done.

I'm inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt, that she believed in the Inv Man charges. I think you can make a case for that, but maybe not win a case... Over the years she's proven she's not the typical self serving politician. I doubt she tried these cases for political gain. She doesn't strike me as the type to throw anyone under the bus.

Randy

railfancwb
01-30-2015, 21:15
Don't need "Reality Show" teams going on SWAT raids or any other police activities. Period. Not the taxpayers duty to provide free content for these shows.


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Patchman
01-30-2015, 21:21
Your attitude is a disgrace and you should be ashamed. The system WORKED so the officer didn't go to prison, GOOD. Should anyone be laughing? ******* no, a little girl is still dead dude!


Lest you forget, killed by her own grandmother's actions. Lest you forget, killed by her own grandma's actions.

After what they did to this cop, after what they dragged him through once. After they dragged him through twice... you think he should say "thank you sir may I have another?"

If you want to be helpful, tell us what her grandma might have done differently to have prevented this tragedy? Can you? Are you able to? Are you willing to?

You were never a cop.

Patchman
01-30-2015, 21:39
Don't need "Reality Show" teams going on SWAT raids or any other police activities. Period. Not the taxpayers duty to provide free content for these shows.



1000-percent agreed. But if LE agencies start to shut down now, the conspiracy tin hatters would complain about the blue wall closing in, or censorship, or conspiracy to deny the public of something or other...

rock_jock
01-30-2015, 23:45
After Ferguson and NYC, I am sure we will see more and more of these faux trials, charades intended to satisfy the outcry from very vocal segments of society.

rock_jock
01-30-2015, 23:48
Also, why isn't granny being charged with manslaughter? It is after all her actions which led to the child being killed.

CAcop
01-31-2015, 00:20
Also, why isn't granny being charged with manslaughter? It is after all her actions which led to the child being killed.

Because it has very little jury appeal. Grieving grandma on the stand is not something a DA wants to deal with. I am sure in Detroit a cop is an easier target.

You would be surprised what a DA no files on. Many citizens are upset when the DA no files a case where they are the victim. Cops pretty much shrug their shoulders and move on.

steveksux
01-31-2015, 09:30
Because it has very little jury appeal. Grieving grandma on the stand is not something a DA wants to deal with. I am sure in Detroit a cop is an easier target.

You would be surprised what a DA no files on. Many citizens are upset when the DA no files a case where they are the victim. Cops pretty much shrug their shoulders and move on.

Exactly, they couldn't get past a hung jury with the cop that was actually holding the gun when it went off, there's no way the grieving grandmother would get convicted.

Grieving grandmother's are a lot more sympathetic than cops are to the juries in Wayne county.

Randy

ray9898
01-31-2015, 09:46
and for you to hope that he “laughs all the way to the bank” is...let just say it's troubling.


Jeez....it is a figure of speech...nothing more.

What happened there was a tragedy but I place the blame squarely on the child's grandmother. The officer, who was in the lawful discharge of his duties, was accosted by this lady. In that altercation his slung weapon was likely fired by or caused to be fired by her during the scuffle sending a bullet downward where it struck the child on the couch.

Instead of having the balls to lay the blame where it should go or even chalk it up to a tragic consequence of the grandmothers unlawful act, they go after the cop. He was criminally prosecuted which undoubtedly created a chaotic existence for him and his family as he lost his career over the uncontrollable act of another. To say some think he should be compensated means just that. He isn't profiting from a tragic death, his is being compensated for being put through a politically motivated trial that should have never taken place. It is a tragedy but the story continued on, it isn't that simple.

texmex
01-31-2015, 16:59
Interaction with law enforcement can be dangerous. Even more dangerous when a felony has been committed with a firearm. All you criminals out there take note. Murdering someone and then going home endangers you and your entire family. Dealing dope endangers you and all those around you. Having an active warrant or riding around in a stolen vehicle endangers you and everyone around you.

This incident is certainly a tragedy, but the father started this unfortunate chain of events by murdering someone. He then compounded that by going home when he knew he was a wanted felon considered armed and dangerous. Ever heard of Karma? You killed someone else's kid, now your kid is dead! If you really care about your family, don't hang around them when wanted or when committing crimes.

Patchman
01-31-2015, 18:25
All you criminals out there take note. Murdering someone and then going home endangers you and your entire family. Dealing dope endangers you and all those around you. Having an active warrant or riding around in a stolen vehicle endangers you and everyone around you.

The father started this unfortunate chain of events by murdering someone. He then compounded that by going home. If you really care about your family, don't hang around them when wanted or when committing crimes.

Yes. If you're a criminal and even remotely suspect the police may be hunting for you, don't go home. Don't go where your family is at. Don't use your family as human shields.

Bruce M
01-31-2015, 21:38
Or even better yet think about just not committing the crimes to begin with. In case the police think you might be at home even though you are not.

sos4364
02-01-2015, 01:36
Because it has very little jury appeal. Grieving grandma on the stand is not something a DA wants to deal with. I am sure in Detroit a cop is an easier target.

You would be surprised what a DA no files on. Many citizens are upset when the DA no files a case where they are the victim. Cops pretty much shrug their shoulders and move on.

And this is precisely what's wrong with the court system. They will push and drag an officer through every trial and every outlet to hang them on 10 sec life or death decision but when the tables are turned to a standard citizen all of a sudden it's a grieving grandma.

It's absolute crap. You don't think that officer was grieving after a child just died due to his round......he will have sleepless nights for the rest of his life. Why did that round go off???????? GRANDMA THATS WHY. She's the one that should be facing the charges period. Her direct actions led to a childs death not the officer's action PERIOD! But that's not politically correct to take to court in this climate

merlynusn
02-02-2015, 07:48
I just think the "laugh all the way to the bank" was the wrong choice of words. Regardless, a child is dead. The grandmother should be held accountable for her actions of fighting with the officer.

Yes, more and more of these trials will occur. Just makes me glad I left. I know people here are now more concerned with getting arrested after a shooting than anything else.

Roering
02-02-2015, 12:30
Linky no worky.