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Bruce M
10-13-2011, 16:32
I hadn't contemplated vicarious liability recently, but obviously some have. In a nutshell, after a crash involving an ATV and officers who had been drinking, the direct supervisor has been recommended for termination. Others up the level of major have been given demotions or days off.

http://www.local10.com/news/29477630/detail.html


http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/10/11/2449533/report-police-negligence-lies.html

I realize that this isn't civil liability, but it certainly suggests there can be consequences for supervisors.

RVER
10-13-2011, 17:32
Vicarious liability... On Monday your a patrol officer minding your own business on the street while a squad member is actively choking out a hand cuffed prisoner at the booking center. No problem for you. On Tuesday your promoted to Shift Sergeant (Congrats by the way - enjoy the extra money because your the Dept's newest "fall guy")when the same exact thing happens again. Now you have some splainin to do - alot of it... Just the way it is, always has been, and always will be. Same thing for goes for UOF and EVOC trainers - can you hear the "failure to train" chants yet? Good luck navigating the promotional mine field.

razdog76
10-13-2011, 17:47
As a supervisor, you are responsible for a subordinate's actions.

If you know about a subordinate's violation, and fail to do anything about it (misfeasance, malfeasance, or nonfeasance) the hammer will really be able to hit you hard.

Bruce M
10-13-2011, 18:25
I am not a supervisor - what I found interesting about this is how high (Major) discipline/demotions reached up.

Pepper45
10-13-2011, 20:10
I am not a supervisor - what I found interesting about this is how high (Major) discipline/demotions reached up.

It can and will reach as high as they can prove who had knowledge of the violations, and didn't do anything about them.

Hack
10-13-2011, 22:03
It can and will reach as high as they can prove who had knowledge of the violations, and didn't do anything about them.

Sort of the same here. They factor in several things here. Plus you have to factor in upper crust agency types. It seems here if you mess up mildly and you are not wholly bad you get promoted up. If you seem indispensable for your position you are basically kept there.