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10-15-2011, 19:19
Hi Mas,

Maybe its age and use, but I have never really gotten into the AR/AK stock style with the vertical grip. This is especially true when I bring the rifle up to firing position. For me it just does not come up naturally. However, I gather AR/AK stock style is superior, when firing full auto in terms of control.

For a home defense semi auto rifle do you find one type stock style generally better for most people? For me the rifle just mounts and moves faster and more positively with standard stock. Is this just me or is there a real difference for most people?

Also I suppose an added advantage is a Ruger mini 14 would be easier to defend in court than an AR or AK, but that is not my primary concern.

Thanks, Jack

Mas Ayoob
10-15-2011, 20:01
Ain't just age bro. Until the first reload, in predictable police/self defense/home defense scenarios, the Mini-14 with conventional stock will do everything the AR in the same caliber will do.

However, in close, if there's a struggle for the gun, the Mini's stock design is more defensible in terms of weapon retention than the AR/AK configuration. Ask anyone who has done a lot of weapon retention training with long guns.


10-15-2011, 21:03
Thanks Mas,

I can certainly understand how it would be easier to strike with the stock butt an opponent trying to take a rifle with a standard stock. Have to love a Garand in this regard. Never gave much thought to which stock allows for better retention beyond butt striking opponent.

Are you and your students generally faster and surer bring a rifle up to the shoulder and tracking a moving target using a rifle with a standard stock?


Mas Ayoob
10-16-2011, 02:54
Jack, I honestly don't see a lot of difference with that. While the sporter type stock gives better control in a struggle, the AR type stock is distinctly easier to operate one-handed. I think habituation has a lot more to do with what seems faster and feels more natural to a given shooter.


10-17-2011, 22:43
Thanks Mas,

I also suspect my use of shotguns, as well as rifles with sporter stocks, has contributed to making the mini 14 stock be more natural for me than the AR/AK stock style. Jack