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razdog76
10-18-2011, 16:01
I decided to go with my S&W model 38, rather than my G27 for the foreseeable future.

In the last couple of months I have had to add a wireless mic to my gunbelt, and I still have to find some room for an X26 issued last week.

I haven't shot this gun in every bit of four years! A little dry firing every once in a great while, and shot the entire 60 round course of fire without having to re-shoot any phase.:supergrin:

collim1
10-18-2011, 17:04
After carrying my jframe on my ankle for about 5 years I swapped it out for a G26. I went back to the jframe about 6 months later and dont plan on replacing it again.

The glock is just too darn heavy for ankle carry 48hrs a week. I know alot of guys do it, but for me I couldn't handle it any longer.

razdog76
10-18-2011, 21:10
I always carry on my vest. I've tried a couple ankle holsters for j-frame, Kahr, and it was obvious I was carrying there. Perhaps its the jack boots.

I figure being that obvious, any DB can see I had a proverbial ace up my sleeve.

puckhead
10-18-2011, 21:22
I use my 27 in an ankle holster and don't really notice it unless I am sitting back at the office. I think it is a Bianchi holster but don't know for sure. but it has two straps, one I put just above my boot line and the other around the laces on my boot. There is a third tension strap and with everything right it doesn't move at all. I was issued a little 5 shot revolver, but with my +1 I have 11 shots

razdog76
10-18-2011, 21:33
Perhaps the best thing the plain lead 38 special loads does is dispatch injured/sick critters.

Capacity is an issue I was concerned about, but qualifying with both my G27 and 38 was not an option.

fla2760
10-19-2011, 00:33
Perhaps the best thing the plain lead 38 special loads does is dispatch injured/sick critters.

Capacity is an issue I was concerned about, but qualifying with both my G27 and 38 was not an option.


Don't sell the .38 short with today's ammo choices.
Speer 135 gr +P "short barrel load" has performed very well for NYPD in those grand fathered in .38's. Carry a couple of speed loaders and or strips if you can. My duty weapon was a Smith model 10 and I always carried a model 36 on my ankle and a model 49 in my off hand pocket.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1347644&highlight=speer+135


http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1367780&highlight=speer+135

Cochese
10-19-2011, 13:17
...I still have to find some room for an X26 issued last week...

Do you guys have cargo pants?

http://www.shadez-of-gray.com/servlet/the-1/Taser-X-dsh-26-bdu-pocket/Detail

http://www.shadez-of-gray.com/catalog/a%20shot%20in%20the%20dark.JPG

http://www.zxgun.com/desantis-cargo-nemesis-pocket-holster-ambidextrous-black-taser-p-3036.html

http://67.227.172.78/images/rsr/large/DSGATT6100_1.jpg

Ajon412
10-19-2011, 13:55
Don't sell the .38 short with today's ammo choices.
Speer 135 gr +P "short barrel load" has performed very well for NYPD in those grand fathered in .38's. Carry a couple of speed loaders and or strips if you can. My duty weapon was a Smith model 10 and I always carried a model 36 on my ankle and a model 49 in my off hand pocket.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1347644&highlight=speer+135


http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1367780&highlight=speer+135

+1......Also, don't rule out the newly reintroduced Federal .38 Spl 125gr Nyclad HP (standard velocity) round:

http://www.federalpremium.com/products/details/handgun.aspx?id=828

Back in the day, my former department issued a Federal Nyclad 158gr +P in both SWCL and SWCL HP in .38 special for on and off duty......

This load from Bufffalo Bore looks interesting as well:

http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=111

MeefZah
10-19-2011, 18:01
Do you guys have cargo pants?

http://www.shadez-of-gray.com/servlet/the-1/Taser-X-dsh-26-bdu-pocket/Detail

http://www.shadez-of-gray.com/catalog/a%20shot%20in%20the%20dark.JPG

http://www.zxgun.com/desantis-cargo-nemesis-pocket-holster-ambidextrous-black-taser-p-3036.html

http://67.227.172.78/images/rsr/large/DSGATT6100_1.jpg

I'd be interested to hear how these work. I wear Elbeco uniform pants with the cargo pocket option and I really don't see fitting anything in there except gloves and flat things. I don't think I could get our Taser w/ camera in there, but I'd sure like to not have it on my belt...

For the OP, I go back and forth between my 442 and my G26 for BUG. I love them both but they are suited for different things. I generally carry the 442 anymore.

fla2760
10-19-2011, 18:08
+1......Also, don't rule out the newly reintroduced Federal .38 Spl 125gr Nyclad HP (standard velocity) round:

http://www.federalpremium.com/products/details/handgun.aspx?id=828

Back in the day, my former department issued a Federal Nyclad 158gr +P in both SWCL and SWCL HP in .38 special for on and off duty......

This load from Bufffalo Bore looks interesting as well:

http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=111

+1
The Federal Nyclad is a good load too. I like it in my Ruger LCR as it does not recoil as much as the +P loads in the polymer revolver and it penetrates and expands well. I am partial to quality revolvers for CCW, old school I guess, my G27 has been back to Smyrna so often that it should get a frequent flyer discount. I am going to get a G26 to back up my J frame. :supergrin:

jwhite75
10-19-2011, 18:10
Nothing wrong with a good ol snub...check out the Gold dot short barrel rounds in .38 great ammo.

Ajon412
10-19-2011, 18:17
+1
The Federal Nyclad is a good load too. I like it in my Ruger LCR as it does not recoil as much as the +P loads in the polymer revolver and it penetrates and expands well. I am partial to quality revolvers for CCW, old school I guess, my G27 has been back to Smyrna so often that it should get a frequent flyer discount. I am going to get a G26 to back up my J frame. :supergrin:

+1 for old school revolver carry....:supergrin: BTW, what's up with your G27?

razdog76
10-19-2011, 19:39
Don't sell the .38 short with today's ammo choices.
Speer 135 gr +P "short barrel load" has performed very well for NYPD in those grand fathered in .38's. Carry a couple of speed loaders and or strips if you can. My duty weapon was a Smith model 10 and I always carried a model 36 on my ankle and a model 49 in my off hand pocket.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1347644&highlight=speer+135


http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1367780&highlight=speer+135

It should, since it was designed to replicate the terminal performance the 9mm load NYPD was using out of a 2" 38.

I don't sell it short at all, there is just no point to use the vast majority of other 38 special loads in a 2" since they were designed to work in a 4" barrel. This is especially true of the .357 snubbies. I think the .38 special is a great cartridge. I know I can shoot +P through my gun, I try not to since it is in better shape than I am at 37, and it is about a year older.:supergrin:

Since it will never perform like a gun with a 4" or longer barrel, I think it better to concentrate on being able to make it easier to shoot well to make all 5 shots count.

Plain lead bullets don't shed jackets, and seem to be consistent in performance. Moreover, through dispatching injured critters, I have found in my scientifically flawed analysis, plain lead wadcutters, and semiwadcutters to work very well, if not better than other JHP in other calibers.

fla2760
10-19-2011, 19:45
+1 for old school revolver carry....:supergrin: BTW, what's up with your G27?

The G27 I bought new in 2001 was having repeated FTF and FTE with five different brands of ammo. it went back for that and numerous parts were replaced. When it first happened I ordered 3 new Glock 9 round mags and the problem persisted. It then went back for the frame rail upgrade after I became aware it was within the serial number range for the "upgrade" and most recently when I was shooting the LEOSA course with it it locked up, turns out the number 1 pin sheared in half. :wow: I was on the last phase of the LEOSA course of fire and got off 4 of 6 shots and that was that. I did qualify as my hits were all good prior to that. I also qualified that day with my 642. No limp wristing for the prior problems, all factory ammunition no hand loads. I just got a lemon. :dunno:

fla2760
10-19-2011, 19:51
It should, since it was designed to replicate the terminal performance the 9mm load NYPD was using out of a 2" 38.

I don't sell it short at all, there is just no point to use the vast majority of other 38 special loads in a 2" since they were designed to work in a 4" barrel. This is especially true of the .357 snubbies. I think the .38 special is a great cartridge. I know I can shoot +P through my gun, I try not to since it is in better shape than I am at 37, and it is about a year older.:supergrin:

Since it will never perform like a gun with a 4" or longer barrel, I think it better to concentrate on being able to make it easier to shoot well to make all 5 shots count.
Plain lead bullets don't shed jackets, and seem to be consistent in performance. Moreover, through dispatching injured critters, I have found in my scientifically flawed analysis, plain lead wadcutters, and semiwadcutters to work very well, if not better than other JHP in other calibers.




I hear you, you may want to consider CT laser grips, I have them on my 642 and considering the circumstances that a BUG would come into play it would be money well spent IMO, assuming that your agency has no problem with it .

razdog76
10-19-2011, 19:51
Do you guys have cargo pants?

Um, no.

We have the Buckeye State Sheriff's Association, and aside from a couple patch changes, the same basic uniform since the early 60's. You guys, and your new fangled technology.:rofl:

Cochese
10-19-2011, 20:47
I'd be interested to hear how these work. I wear Elbeco uniform pants with the cargo pocket option and I really don't see fitting anything in there except gloves and flat things. I don't think I could get our Taser w/ camera in there, but I'd sure like to not have it on my belt...

For the OP, I go back and forth between my 442 and my G26 for BUG. I love them both but they are suited for different things. I generally carry the 442 anymore.

We aren't subjected to having cameras on our tasers (thankfully) so I really don't know.

We wear the Flying Cross Chicago P.D. style six pocket pants. The style code is 39300.

I've successfully switched us to 5.11 PDUs and external carriers effective as soon as I find a local vendor.

Our current pants: (I use the DeSantis holster. It is rad.)

http://www.fechheimer.com/CMS/Images/StyleImages/39300.JPG

DaBigBR
10-19-2011, 21:08
I'd be interested to hear how these work. I wear Elbeco uniform pants with the cargo pocket option and I really don't see fitting anything in there except gloves and flat things. I don't think I could get our Taser w/ camera in there, but I'd sure like to not have it on my belt...

For the OP, I go back and forth between my 442 and my G26 for BUG. I love them both but they are suited for different things. I generally carry the 442 anymore.

I use the DeSantis in my 5.11 class B pants. No camera here, either though. I found it to be a bit bulky at first, but you get used to it quickly.

Cochese
10-19-2011, 21:10
Um, no.

We have the Buckeye State Sheriff's Association, and aside from a couple patch changes, the same basic uniform since the early 60's. You guys, and your new fangled technology.:rofl:

Sweet holy jeezus.

I just noticed that on an episode of Cops in Ohio.

Everyone in every department has the same uniform. Holy crap! Why TF do you guys wear your badge on your nipple????

http://www.ottawacountysheriff.org/images/resized%20kent%20davis,%20sergeant_0261114.jpg

Our County Sheriff Association pushed us to all have the same livery on our cars for a long time. Throughout the 90's. A lot of the rural departments still follow it.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3445/3751273990_0241a9d33b.jpg

razdog76
10-19-2011, 22:03
Sweet holy jeezus.
Everyone in every department has the same uniform. Holy crap! Why TF do you guys wear your badge on your nipple????

The Ohio Highway Patrol wears their badges there too. I think it is to remove the usefulness of that pocket. Before body armor, it would also protect you from some drunk trying to give you a purple nurple.

I think it is a sharp looking uniform, but dated. It amuses me though because although all of the 88 counties are supposed to follow http://66.161.141.185/oac/311-1, all of the counties have their own nuances regarding ribbons, service stars, campaign or deputy hat, etc.

Cochese
10-20-2011, 01:31
...all of the 88 counties are supposed to follow http://66.161.141.185/oac/311-1...

I almost had a seizure reading that.

Who the **** did they pay money to put that **** pile together???

Do they have a rule for how long your dick hair can be? :shocked:

RVER
10-20-2011, 05:14
I almost had a seizure reading that.
Who the **** did they pay money to put that **** pile together???
Do they have a rule for how long your dick hair can be? :shocked:

Reading this uniform Reg. makes me want to :faint:

I had heard that in the early 70's an inititive was launched by President Nixon to set a national standard for L.E. uniforms: Municipal Police - blue, Sheriff's Office - brown, and State Police Gray.

nitesite10mm
10-20-2011, 06:55
Plain lead bullets don't shed jackets, and seem to be consistent in performance. Moreover, through dispatching injured critters, I have found in my scientifically flawed analysis, plain lead wadcutters, and semiwadcutters to work very well, if not better than other JHP in other calibers.

Yep! Punch hard, drive deep, cut a clean hole. Top notch snubbie ammo!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/nitesite9/442andDEWCs_edited-1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/nitesite9/Leadheads148DEWCs.jpg

DaBigBR
10-20-2011, 08:38
Sweet holy jeezus.
Everyone in every department has the same uniform. Holy crap!

The sheriff's offices in Iowa are like that, too, although not as hardcore as Ohio, apparently. There is actually a lot of variation, but the basic uniform and patrol car marking scheme is intact in all but one or two counties. One county reverses the shirt/pants colors (looks dumb, IMO), one used to use cars of all sorts of colors, but is now all white (albeit with just the "sheriff" decals and not the stripes from the graphics kit), one issues silver badges instead of gold, one does high gloss gear instead of basketweave, etc. I suppose it's not the worst thing, as long as there is that wiggle room.

Ajon412
10-20-2011, 09:59
Yep! Punch hard, drive deep, cut a clean hole. Nop notch snubbie ammo!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/nitesite9/442andDEWCs_edited-1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/nitesite9/Leadheads148DEWCs.jpg

Nice.....Looks like the Buffalo Bore round...BB seems to make their "man stopper" load in most popular revolver calibers....

razdog76
10-20-2011, 12:24
I almost had a seizure reading that.

Who the **** did they pay money to put that **** pile together???

Do they have a rule for how long your dick hair can be? :shocked:

It is nothing compared to 3, 3" binders of regulations from being triple accredited.:faint:

Arvinator
10-20-2011, 18:35
I have been a cop since Nov. 89. In Feb. 1990, I got my first "Snubbie" and been carrying one every since.
I now carry TWO J frames in .38 Spl. (A Model 38 & 642) One in my rear pocket, the other hidden and strapped to my body armor. I load both with Federal Nyclads, non +P hollowpoints. I did carry a Glock 26 in 2006 for a while, but to heavy& bulky. I have a dept issue Glock 27 as a off duty/backup but I was told the carry of a backup was "Optional' so I carry my snubs, and only one other cop in the 14 man force carries his G27 as a backup on his person.
Dependable, easier to hide, and still a darn good choice for 2nd gun carry...

AngryBassets
10-20-2011, 22:14
For many years my Glock 27 was on my ankle at work 80% of the time vs 20% for my 642. From the time I got promoted to sergeant in '05, those numbers reversed.

For the last year, as a Lt/Watch Commander, it was the 642 all the time.

This is mainly due to the more recent batches of tailor made uniform pants we payway too much money for having more tapered legs than anything else. I'd very much rather carry my 27.

Of course, lately I am remanded to daywork/Hq/Administrative tasks/hell, so while I've got no use for a vest currently, I still carry that 642 on my ankle. Why, I don't know.