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PAGunner
10-23-2011, 17:21
Out of all the micro 9mm's out there (single stack sub-compacts), I was wondering what everyone's preference is? I have 3 guns I had at the top of my list, on paper. But I'm open to hearing some feedback on all the models available.

1. Kahr sub compact 9mm (both polymer and stainless)
2. Walther PPS
3. Sig P290

sgtb
10-23-2011, 17:25
I love my Kahr CM9!

mrsurfboard
10-23-2011, 17:27
I would stay away from the P290. I haven't heard anything good about that pistol. You might also want to look at the Ruger LC9.

SouthernBoyVA
10-23-2011, 17:35
I have a first gen Kahr MK9 and a second gen Kahr PM9. Both of mine are excellent little guns with the edge going to the MK9... accept for the weight factor.

Bilbo Bagins
10-23-2011, 17:43
Out of all the micro 9mm's out there (single stack sub-compacts), I was wondering what everyone's preference is? I have 3 guns I had at the top of my list, on paper. But I'm open to hearing some feedback on all the models available.
1. Kahr sub compact 9mm (both polymer and stainless)
2. Walther PPS
3. Sig P290



1. Kahr sub compact 9mm (both polymer and stainless) Poly only, stainless is too heavy. PM9 is pretty, but the CM9 is better deal. MK are pretty but are a heavy little bricks.
2. Walther PPS - too long
3. Sig P290 - Too wide

I think Ruger's LC9 and the kel Tec Pf9 are better for carry

fgutie35
10-23-2011, 18:02
I got a parkerized PF9 for summer carry, and Im very satisfied with it. Is practically weightless and flawless. It goes bang every time. I heard LC9's are nothing but a copy of the pf9 but with more glitches. Before I shot mine for the first time, I buffed and honed out all of the machine marks and metal shavings and like I said, it went BANG from the first shot on.

alank2
10-23-2011, 18:10
Hi,

I love my PM9. I agonized over buying one for years because of the price, but once I finally got over the cost and ordered one I found out what I had been missing. The CM9's price point is incredible for the capability of this little pistol. What other 6+1 9mm can you pack in your pocket easily all day every day. There is a guy over at the kahr forums who has over 30K through his. If you want pocket carry this it a sweet pistol.

Good luck,

Alan

itstime
10-23-2011, 18:16
I love my PPS. It feels too thin in my hand but still shoots great.

bad89stang
10-23-2011, 18:18
I had a PM9 before buying my G26. Wonderful little pistol. Incredibly compact, beautiful quality and amazing accuracy. Deal breaker for me was it would not load the first or second round of a fresh mag using the slingshot or overhand method. It would jam against the feed ramp. Known issue. Sold it and now just deal with the larger G26 and haven't looked back.

cowboy1964
10-23-2011, 18:46
Hard to beat the PM9. It's one gun you can have on you all the time basically while still giving you a decent cartridge in the 9mm.

It has a few quirks I don't like though (crappy mags, stiff slide).

NMGlocker
10-23-2011, 20:36
My PM9 has around 1500 rounds downrange with zero malfunctions.
It's the perfect pocket rocket.

mj9mm
10-23-2011, 20:46
about 450 rounds through my CM9, looked at a lot of guns before buying it. the only other ones i considered at the end were the PM9 and diamondback. i picked it because it was lighter and a little cheaper than the PM9 and i decided the diamondback just didn't feel as good in my hand. the CM9 has a smooth trigger and handles well.

DaneA
10-23-2011, 20:47
Not to hijack but has anyone tried the Diamondback DB9. My LGS has some and they seem to be a pretty good knock off of a Glock.

mj9mm
10-23-2011, 20:51
held a couple, but none to borrow or rent around my area, would have been nice

Lampshade
10-23-2011, 20:57
PPS is a great gun, but pretty big for pocket carry. It can be done, but I'd go with a smaller Kahr if you plan on pocket carrying with any regularity. PPS definitely won't fit in all pockets either.

NMPOPS
10-23-2011, 22:10
None. I'll stick with my 26.

Sent from my Ally

Fonzie
10-24-2011, 11:05
My PM9 goes bang every time. I probably would have gotten a CM9 if they were available when i bought the PM9, but they weren't "invented" yet.
I sold my G26 to buy the PM9 = great decision for me.

dosei
10-24-2011, 11:15
SA EMP

...followed by the Kahr

Gregg702
10-24-2011, 11:18
I really like my Kahr CM9.

NDGlock
10-24-2011, 11:39
This one is showing promise so far. Beretta Nano 1000 rounds no lube, no issues:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOsIr3xsv2w

PAGunner
10-24-2011, 14:58
Thanks guys, seems CM9 is the way to go for a pocket 9mm and PPS is a nice single stack option for hip carry, at least that is what I got out of this thread.

I've never been a fan of lasers, but kinda looks tempting on the CM9, does anyone have experience with the CM9 with CT laserguard?

Bruce M
10-24-2011, 16:52
I have a P290 that has been back to Sig twice. I still get a sporadic light strike with it. Maybe a Rohrbaugh sometime in the future.

hhb
10-24-2011, 16:54
Hang on until the Beretta Nano hits the shelves.

rozz421
10-24-2011, 17:09
I love my CW9 for hip carry it is flat and gives me a full"ish" grip

miwall
10-24-2011, 20:50
I just started using a Ruger LC9 in a De Santis Nemesis pocket holster. It is great to be able to slip it into the pocket of cargo shorts and not have to holster the Minotaur. Good little gun.

pineappleshooter
10-24-2011, 20:54
PM9 with XS big dot sights - couldn't be happier! Usually back pocket carry with a wallet type holster.

BKG-22
10-24-2011, 20:56
Love my pm9. Been carrying all summer, every summer for the past 5-6 years.

michpatriot
10-24-2011, 21:04
If yer lookin for a pocket 9 and can get over the price...It took me a while too... but after carryin the pm9 for a day the price kinda faded and the 26 is gatherin dust on the nightstand:whistling:

RightYouAreKen
10-25-2011, 13:39
I have a LC9 that I got to carry iwb when my glock 19 would print a bit...like wearing some of my tshirts that are a bit less loose than others. I also got it because my g19 butt would press into the seat bolsters in my truck causing discomfort and seat wear. The lc9 solved both issues great. It totally disappears when worn iwb, and the little pinky extension let's me get a good grip while maintaining a short grip which doesn't contact my truck's seat. I dont love the loaded chamber indicator, but don't mind the thumb safety or trigger, which I like better than my lcp's.

PlayboyPenguin
10-25-2011, 14:22
I have owned all three of the pistols listed in the OP...plus a few other micro 9mm pistols. Of the three I think the best overall is the Kahr. My least favorite is the Walther. Mainly because the Walther was very uncomfortable and I did not find it to be all that small. The one I chose for myself is the SIG P290 (after I got the upgraded trigger group). I found it to shoot best and be the best made. I wish it had as good a trigger as the kahr, or at least the SIG P250, but overall I like it best despite the lesser trigger. Now if you mean the Kahr MK9 and not he PM9 I would chose the Kahr. I have the Kahr MK40 and love it.

poodleplumber
10-26-2011, 18:45
I might have a new favorite after I hold a Beretta Nano. Interesting little pistol.

Cochese
10-26-2011, 18:57
Springfield EMP.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MvRINKFQi9U/TKgIXuFMKMI/AAAAAAAACrs/ynivIvlwHSM/s1280/2010-10-01_14-49-56_271.jpg

PlayboyPenguin
10-27-2011, 17:17
I might have a new favorite after I hold a Beretta Nano. Interesting little pistol.
Anxious to see one of those in person myself.

dooga
10-27-2011, 18:41
Beretta Nano 1000 rounds no lube, no issues
Very tempted and Glock has been stupid to not make their own Nano. This pistol looks like a no-brainier.

PAGunner
10-27-2011, 19:54
Springfield EMP.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MvRINKFQi9U/TKgIXuFMKMI/AAAAAAAACrs/ynivIvlwHSM/s1280/2010-10-01_14-49-56_271.jpg

Sweet looking gun, not to knock the 1911, but I really am not a fan of having a safety on a SD gun, I prefer striker fired weapons without a safety, but that's just my preference.

Cochese
10-27-2011, 21:23
Sweet looking gun, not to knock the 1911, but I really am not a fan of having a safety on a SD gun, I prefer striker fired weapons without a safety, but that's just my preference.

That's what it boils down to...

Preference. I carried a G26 for years. I just prefer having the point of aim, ergos, accuracy, and security of a 1911.

All three of my carry pistols are single action, including my duty gun at work. Same manual of arms across the board.

I'm in the running for a job where I would be carrying a Glock, Sig, or HK. If I get it, I will be buying a G17 and a new G26 (mine is stippled and modified. Probably wont fly) and I won't be carrying my 1911s any more.

Here is another sweet little shooter, if you can get over a safety.

http://www.kimberamerica.com/solo

Cheers!

JimBianchi
10-27-2011, 23:37
My Kahr MK9 has been flawless for many thousands of rounds.

JuneyBooney
10-27-2011, 23:45
The EMP is a great gun and the Kimber Solo is also pretty hot.

Tiro Fijo
10-28-2011, 00:42
Very tempted and Glock has been stupid to not make their own Nano. This pistol looks like a no-brainier.

Yeah, real stupid. He lives in a castle and has a Russian model circa. age 35 as a wife and they are behind 100,000 pistols in production. :upeyes:


OP, I have a SIG p290 that had light strikes at first but after SIG fixed it it has been perfect for 1.500 rds. or so. I refuse to give money to the Moonies.

happyguy
10-28-2011, 01:03
Same manual of arms across the board.




I agree with this even though I violate it sometimes and carry my P7 just because I like it so much.

My carry is usually a G19 or G26 depending...

A J-frame is in the works but it is point and click like the Glocks, just a longer trigger motion.

Regards,
Happyguy :)

Cochese
10-28-2011, 05:51
Yeah, real stupid. He lives in a castle and has a Russian model circa. age 35 as a wife and they are behind 100,000 pistols in production. :upeyes:



Glock should have made a 9mm G36 a long time ago, regardless of with who and where the company prez is laying pipe.

If they are behind on production, they need to accommodate for demand.

:upeyes:

Ahmid
10-28-2011, 06:22
Nano looks interesting...

X-Centric
10-28-2011, 09:53
I was one of the seemingly very few that got two junk PM9's. Kahr customer service was great but I sent my first one back 4-times and finally they sent me a new replacement which had to send bcak twice. Then they gave me the gun of my choice and my gun store told me what to get and it was a Glock 26. I never looked back! By-the-way, friends of mine at the gun club I belong to had the problems as well so it wasn't just me.

ComeAndGetThem
10-29-2011, 03:41
I like my Kahr PM9 just fine for pocket carry too but but what I'd really like to have is a Glock that's the profile of a G19 but holds a single stacked magazine and is just thick enough to accomodate it.

Yeah, I know I know, it's never going to happen!

John43
10-29-2011, 05:15
Just got a CM9 and took it to the range yesterday. Great little gun.

97guns
10-31-2011, 08:33
love my lc9, been 100% through 500 rounds, came broken in from the factory like all guns should be.



http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/hd0642/003-2.jpg

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/hd0642/001-6.jpg

JYogi
10-31-2011, 08:43
I have had them all

I now only carry a Rohrbaugh R9S when I want
to pocket carry (or a S&W .38 Snub if wearing cargo pants)

I have not been impressed with the Sig at all!

The Kahr is a good gun BUT I can't get used to their
triggers... I have other friends who love them and others
with the same issue I do.

Other pocket pistols just have not impressed me at all...

NEOH212
10-31-2011, 22:16
I wish Sig would make a 238 in 9mm. :whistling:

unit1069
10-31-2011, 23:06
Go with a proven CCW piece of quality build and reliability. You can waste a ton of time and money fooling with micro pistols, as appealing as they are.

sourdough44
11-01-2011, 03:08
Did anyone mention the H&K p2000sk LEM trigger in 9mm? Now there's something you could warm up to.

dukeguy
11-01-2011, 03:46
Love my Kahr PM9. I went through several other "small" carry pistols with various issues, only to finally come to the conclusion that I should make the investment in the Kahr. It's comfortable to carry, very accurate and has been 100% reliable for me. As far as I'm concerned, the price was worth it.

FiremanJim
11-01-2011, 05:47
Have a CM9 here and no problems,side cargo pants carry all the time

Cochese
11-01-2011, 09:08
I wish Sig would make a 238 in 9mm. :whistling:

I would run a school bus full of blind baby seals training to be nuns directly off the road on my way to by a 238 in 9x19.

Shark1007
11-01-2011, 20:19
I had a Kel Tec pf9 and gave it away, uncomfortable recoil, light strikes on corbon 9mm and I have a Kahr cm9 and think it's amazing. It's plenty accurate, a great little carry weapon and hasn't missed a beat. The mk9 is appealing, but heavy, I'm going to stick with the cm9 and buy fiance another one for purse gun. Then we can both carry the same weapon.

JDM
11-08-2011, 21:31
+whatever for the PM9. CM9 wasn't around when I bought - looks like a good buy.

alexcapone
11-08-2011, 22:05
I have a P290 and haven't had a malfunction yet. The take down was tricky at first but its actually really easy. Out of the box the trigger pull isn't very smooth but it gets better after a few hundred rounds. It's heavier than most pocket pistols (especially with the integrated laser attached) but I don't mind because it helps manage muzzle rise. I don't have too many complaints about the width of the gun...the slide is still thinner than a G36. The grip is as thin as possible. I conceal carry IWB all day without any issues/discomfort. It's also small enough for a pocket holster. Between the standard night sights and integrated laser it makes for a great SD carry gun.

My main beef with Kahr is that it only has a 5 year warranty vs Sig's lifetime warranty. Kahr's customer service may be great but I didn't want to take a chance on a relatively new gun manufacturer. It's also harder to chamber a round using overhand method so you'll probably need to carry with one in the pipe.

The Nano looks interesting but it doesn't have a slide release. The only option to chamber a round is overhand method. I'd prefer to have both options for my gun. Other than that the Nano seems very appealing.

cmontrose1
11-09-2011, 03:26
I have a G26 which I love to carry to work on the ankle via a galco ankle glove. I then bought a PM9 which was even better on my ankle in another ankle glove! I then traded that PM9 for My HK P7. Best trade Ihave ever made, bar none!!! I can't ankle carry it, but as far as 9mm goes (really as far as any gun), it is my favorite gun! I just picked up a DiamondBack in 9mm, and for the price tag of only 325.00 @ Sportsmans Warehouse it is an awesome little gun! Very small, but shoots well for its size! Comparing it to the Kahr, for the money, it really can't be beat! I would definately look at one before buying anything!
Thanks, Chris

G33Fla
11-09-2011, 05:01
more sub compact 9's

Keltech
Diamondback

Longtooths
11-09-2011, 07:27
I think I have owned the majority of the guns mentioned:

Kel Tek PF9: Uncomfortable recoil sold it soon after purchase. The saying goes, if someone comes at you with a stick, take the beating with the stick it wont be as bad as the recoil from the pf9.

Kel Tec P11: I have a melted, ported version of this gun. I shot it a few times and it was bulky, long trigger, and I just didnt like it.

Springfield EMP: This thing is a tack driver, very accurate and I love this gun. To bad it is so heavy and I live in Texas with the heat. She spends most of the time in the safe.

Kahr PM9: Its a good gun, no issues to speak of, it just is not my favorite. it sits in the safe as well.

Sig p290: I plan to purchase this soon.

Sig p238: What I carry now. This gun is my favorite....as a previous person mentioned, I would be in his bus cheering him on the way to get one if they ever made a nine in this style.

ithaca_deerslayer
11-09-2011, 12:33
PAGunner, no decision made yet?

I like the Kahr PM9 (or the cheaper CM9) for a small single stack 9. Great gun, but has some issues to be aware of. Many have problems with nosedive feeding jams. Some report it going away after break-in. Others report it going away only by them selling the gun. I had the nosedives, even after 200 rounds, so I did a dremel fix to shorten the feedramp they were getting hung under. No problems since. I even shot IDPA with it, and it is a very accurate and reliable gun now. But it does like a slap on the bottom if you sling shot the slide to rack a round (Kahr suggests using the slide release lever). Also, if you pocket carry a spare mag the top round can work loose if you don't check it for a few days.

I would still buy one, but just wanted to be honest about it.

mikegun
11-11-2011, 12:42
IO have a PF 9 and a smith airlite, 11 oz .38, that i alternate for bu and find both very reliable...and easy to carry and access.