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AWMP
10-24-2011, 11:05
I did a web search and several dealers came up with KSG Kel Tec Shotguns in stock.

Anyone have one with personal experience to share?

Redstate
10-25-2011, 18:47
No experience with it; however, I checked out the video of it on the Kel Tec web site and was impressed. I want one.

wtf0ver
10-25-2011, 18:50
i really want one as well

BBJones
10-25-2011, 20:23
I see some flaws. The tube switch over is awkward. Reloading is super awkward and near impossible under stress. Great idea not perfect execution.

bluejackets92fs
10-25-2011, 20:50
I see some flaws. The tube switch over is awkward. Reloading is super awkward and near impossible under stress. Great idea not perfect execution.

That is Kel Tec for you. I still want one.

Javelin
10-25-2011, 20:53
I want.

Javelin
10-25-2011, 20:55
Just so I can be as cool as that guy.... :rofl:

http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Kel-Tec_KSG_Shotgun_PAmicro_Oleg_Volk_1.jpg

bluejackets92fs
10-25-2011, 20:59
Tactical Timmy to the rescue.

AWMP
10-26-2011, 00:26
Still not sure the KSGs are truly out, they may just be taking pre orders.

The switching between tubes I think can be over come with practice and training.

Having 14+1 in a very compact package is a huge plus in my book.

Just have to wait and see when they hit the streets to see if they will be worth the money.

Nalapombu
10-26-2011, 19:37
If you are still under stress and worried about reloading after dispensing 14+1 rounds of 12 gauge payload, I'm thinkin' having a shotgun is NOT going to be your biggest problem. I'd be lookin' for your Tactical Bible!

Just sayin'.

Nalajr

method
10-27-2011, 12:57
I see some flaws. The tube switch over is awkward. Reloading is super awkward and near impossible under stress. Great idea not perfect execution.

Not nearly as awkward as stuffing more shells into a tube. You probably haven't handled one, how do you know reloading is 'near impossible under stress'?

mdfd
10-27-2011, 17:19
Not nearly as awkward as stuffing more shells into a tube. You probably haven't handled one, how do you know reloading is 'near impossible under stress'?

I have. It's not as familiar as the conventional SG's but just like with all things new, practice and training, it can be overcome. My biggest concern is that alot of folks who handled/shot the KSG (pre-production) seem to jam it somehow/someway....and these folks range from experienced shotgun/firearms shooters, LEO, and regular enthusiasts. Pumping the forend, particularly with a VFG, requires discipline and commitment....

FWIW, I'm actually more fond of these pics....
http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/40181-1/KSG_lefthand_9935web.jpg

http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/40184-1/KSG_Laser_8860.jpg

http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/40717-1/KSG_6947.jpg

Sharkey
10-27-2011, 18:05
I have. It's not as familiar as the conventional SG's but just like with all things new, practice and training, it can be overcome. My biggest concern is that alot of folks who handled/shot the KSG (pre-production) seem to jam it somehow/someway....and these folks range from experienced shotgun/firearms shooters, LEO, and regular enthusiasts. Pumping the forend, particularly with a VFG, requires discipline and commitment....

FWIW, I'm actually more fond of these pics....
http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/40181-1/KSG_lefthand_9935web.jpg

http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/40184-1/KSG_Laser_8860.jpg

http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/40717-1/KSG_6947.jpg

I want one just so I can do a photoshoot with my hot wife holding one. :whistling:

Seriously, I have a Rem. 1100 I'm gonna sale so I can purchase one. The next Shot Show is around the corner and these aren't out yet?

BBJones
10-27-2011, 19:17
Not nearly as awkward as stuffing more shells into a tube. You probably haven't handled one, how do you know reloading is 'near impossible under stress'?

You have an excellent point. I have not handled one. I take it all back KSG is perfect.

mdfd
10-27-2011, 19:24
I want one just so I can do a photoshoot with my hot wife holding one. :whistling:

...

I'm calling your bluff...pics?:whistling::wavey:

In all seriousness, the one thing IMHO the KSG has over others I have tested is the capacity/dual tube magazine and selector. The form/function of the KSG is OK. I have also played with a Rem 870 bullpup conversion kit and it works just as well if not better in terms of form and function.

H&K .45 AUTO
10-28-2011, 21:45
I like the looks of it a lot. If these prove to be reliable, I may just have to get one if for no other reason than for fun at the range.

Sharkey
10-28-2011, 22:09
I'm calling your bluff...pics?:whistling::wavey:

In all seriousness, the one thing IMHO the KSG has over others I have tested is the capacity/dual tube magazine and selector. The form/function of the KSG is OK. I have also played with a Rem 870 bullpup conversion kit and it works just as well if not better in terms of form and function.


Well there is a reason my AR sold within a week. :whistling:

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb93/dcdainv/Ebay%20or%20CL/DSCF0117.jpg

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb93/dcdainv/Ebay%20or%20CL/DSCF0115.jpg

gajones06
10-29-2011, 08:21
See a bikini would have had that ar sold in a few hours!! :D

Sharkey
10-29-2011, 08:54
See a bikini would have had that ar sold in a few hours!! :D

Well, I do have a few of those but that is for my private collection. I will say that Halloween weekend at Twin Peaks is always a nice environment to watch UFC. :supergrin:


Oops sorry back to the KSG. I still haven't seen one for sale so I guess KelTec is a bit behind on their release but not by much. The one I handled at ShotShow was nice and they were receptive to feedback from others to make improvments to the prototype. We'll see.................

Tomac
10-29-2011, 09:04
I'm calling your bluff...pics?:whistling::wavey:

In all seriousness, the one thing IMHO the KSG has over others I have tested is the capacity/dual tube magazine and selector. The form/function of the KSG is OK. I have also played with a Rem 870 bullpup conversion kit and it works just as well if not better in terms of form and function.

Until the KSG is reliable, affordable and available, I'm going the 870 Bullpup route: http://www.bullpupunlimited.com/order
Tomac

eracer
10-29-2011, 09:08
I've always wondered why the Valtro/EAA PM5 isn't talked about as a tactical shotgun option.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTgn6I5oVjfCthm4ljkuToLoV_MFI4f-Gc8nDoAqXu9QbeElCHJ

Victoriagotagun
10-29-2011, 09:28
I've always wondered why the Valtro/EAA PM5 isn't talked about as a tactical shotgun option.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTgn6I5oVjfCthm4ljkuToLoV_MFI4f-Gc8nDoAqXu9QbeElCHJ

I don't think many of them were imported.

mdfd
10-30-2011, 09:19
Until the KSG is reliable, affordable and available, I'm going the 870 Bullpup route: http://www.bullpupunlimited.com/order
Tomac

^ this!:wavey:
I just wish it came out for the Moss 590 ....

Tomac
10-30-2011, 09:24
^ this!:wavey:
I just wish it came out for the Moss 590 ....

You and me both! :crying:
Tomac

mdfd
10-30-2011, 09:26
well played, sir, well played!:cool:

Well there is a reason my AR sold within a week. :whistling:

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb93/dcdainv/Ebay%20or%20CL/DSCF0117.jpg

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb93/dcdainv/Ebay%20or%20CL/DSCF0115.jpg

matt_lowry123
10-30-2011, 11:15
If you are still under stress and worried about reloading after dispensing 14+1 rounds of 12 gauge payload, I'm thinkin' having a shotgun is NOT going to be your biggest problem. I'd be lookin' for your Tactical Bible!

Just sayin'.

Nalajr


Hahahahaha no kidding!!!! You might not want a shotgun if you have that many threats!!!

Unless you're talking about zombies, and then I understand what you're talking about!!

method
10-30-2011, 11:28
You have an excellent point. I have not handled one. I take it all back KSG is perfect.

No one has made any mention about perfection but you. There are several shades of gray between black and white you know.

MadMonkey
10-30-2011, 11:49
It's an interesting concept, but I'd have to mess with one in person. I'm pretty quick with an 870, don't want to learn a whole new skillset with this thing... but if it works well, I'd consider it.

mdfd
10-30-2011, 11:53
It's an interesting concept, but I'd have to mess with one in person. I'm pretty quick with an 870, don't want to learn a whole new skillset with this thing... but if it works well, I'd consider it.

the best I can describe the experience is that it is a new yet familiar skill set to learn. If you are an avid shotgunner, you should pick it up pretty fast even though it is a bit different. As far as if it works well, only time and use will tell....

BBJones
10-30-2011, 15:45
If you are still under stress and worried about reloading after dispensing 14+1 rounds of 12 gauge payload, I'm thinkin' having a shotgun is NOT going to be your biggest problem. I'd be lookin' for your Tactical Bible!

Just sayin'.

Nalajr

I am thinking more about slug change overs and not 12 targets etc. I get that you can put some slugs in one of the tubes and just change tubes. However, after seeing it demonstrated it seems pretty difficult. Also, I have seen people shoot this and they frequently fumble the tube change over. 14+1 is nice but not if can't access all those rounds quickly. I haven't personally run one of these so I am not qualified to comment though.

WiskyT
10-30-2011, 18:25
Just so I can be as cool as that guy.... :rofl:

http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Kel-Tec_KSG_Shotgun_PAmicro_Oleg_Volk_1.jpg

Wasn't he in "Good Guys Wear Black"?

Sharkey
10-30-2011, 21:15
Yeah I guess I am missing the switch tubes "issue". You're carrying more rounds in a compact package. After you learn to switch it from memory, I'm guessing it will be faster than grabbing a shell and throwing into the receiver the way we were taught.

KelTec said they'd be out in Oct. I guess they have one day left. :supergrin:

I think it is a great design and will sale really well once they are released.

March817
10-31-2011, 01:33
Wasn't he in "Good Guys Wear Black"?

Pleasant Fellows Wear Beige?

Hedo1
10-31-2011, 07:38
I only one Kel Tec product, the sub2000. I wouldn't buy another Kel Tec product based on that experience. It had problems right from the start and warranty work took forever from the factory. I don't think I'd buy anything from these guys just for that reason.

gajones06
10-31-2011, 14:30
I have had nothing but issues with keltec stuff..but I will take one more chance an buy one of these..I really like the idea of dual tubes and a 14+1 capacity. My fiancée is nervous around hand guns and feels more comfortable shooting a 12 gauge so there is one more reason to purchase it as well.

WiskyT
10-31-2011, 14:32
Pleasant Fellows Wear Beige?

Touche' Sir!

Reb 56
11-03-2011, 00:15
I only one Kel Tec product, the sub2000. I wouldn't buy another Kel Tec product based on that experience. It had problems right from the start and warranty work took forever from the factory. I don't think I'd buy anything from these guys just for that reason.

Has Kel-Tec ever made any weapon that worked ? Wonder if you have to fluff & buff the shotgun?

MadMonkey
11-03-2011, 00:48
Has Kel-Tec ever made any weapon that worked ?

Yep... but like any products, brand or business, the majority of what you'll hear discussed are problems. Nobody (well... hardly anyone) starts a thread saying "Well, I fired another 100rds through my P11 with no issues. Again."

On the contrary, it's more along the lines of "#$%#@$% KEL TEC POS @#$%@#$% @#$ @#%%@#%$@#$".

EDIT: It might be just me, but even though KelTec has had a couple of missteps I'd much rather see an American company like them being trailblazers and going off the beaten path to come up with guns that we want, rather than see the same concepts rehashed like just about every other gunmaker is doing.

rich52us
11-03-2011, 04:51
Has Kel-Tec ever made any weapon that worked ? Wonder if you have to fluff & buff the shotgun?

I have a P-11, P3AT, Sub 2K, PF-9, and a new SU-16C. All have been 100% out of the box, and I've never done a "fluff & buff."

capnjim01
11-03-2011, 15:24
Well there is a reason my AR sold within a week. :whistling:

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb93/dcdainv/Ebay%20or%20CL/DSCF0117.jpg

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb93/dcdainv/Ebay%20or%20CL/DSCF0115.jpg

Please post a picture of the AR.


oh wait there it is. :wavey:

StarfoxHowl
11-20-2011, 18:53
Here is a review posted on the 18th. It seems to echo the earlier reviews.

http://www.policemag.com/Channel/Weapons/Articles/2011/11/Kel-Tec-KSG-Shotgun.aspx

22highcaps
11-20-2011, 19:26
Please post a picture of the AR.


oh wait there it is. :wavey:

Can someone please photochop in a red arrow pointing to the AR? I still do not see it.

Sharkey
11-20-2011, 22:14
Thanks for the post on the KSG. I hadn't read that article. I was hoping to have one before this next Shot Show in Jan. We'll see.

My wife appreciates the comments. :supergrin:

chance3290
11-21-2011, 18:07
the best I can describe the experience is that it is a new yet familiar skill set to learn. If you are an avid shotgunner, you should pick it up pretty fast even though it is a bit different. As far as if it works well, only time and use will tell....
I agree with you....if you look at this as a short-barrel, pistol-grip shotgun, it should run the same as a Mossberg or Remington. RACK-PRESS-RACK-PRESS. This changes after seven rounds when you do the tube switch thing, or when you reload, or when you a 'combat reload.'
It goes on the Christmas wish list, but maybe for 2012 or 13 when the bugs are out.

Reb 56
11-22-2011, 00:22
Still one ugly shotgun.

Redstate
11-22-2011, 09:56
Still one ugly shotgun.

A lot of people think Glocks are ugly. I think Glocks look great and I think the KSG looks great as well.

Bullman
11-24-2011, 02:56
Until the KSG is reliable, affordable and available, I'm going the 870 Bullpup route: http://www.bullpupunlimited.com/order
Tomac

Is it any good? The last 870 I owned I put in a Muzzlelite bullpup kit and it was total crap. Been a long time and there was a lot of room for better materials and things to come along. I dont' know if I am ready to spend the money to first get another 870 and then get another bullpup kit that is a POS. At least I would have a good shotgun out of that deal. I wish they made it for Mossbergs, since I already have one of those. I would try it for my 590.... maybe.

Bello
11-24-2011, 11:03
Wasn't he in "Good Guys Wear Black"?


wisky i thought he was mr. pink in reservoir dogs! lol

WiskyT
11-24-2011, 11:08
wisky i thought he was mr. pink in reservoir dogs! lol

No, Mr. Pink was Mr. Grey in The Taking of Pehlam 123

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.5699.1313648698!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_350250/image.jpg

fasteddie565
11-25-2011, 07:22
You have an excellent point. I have not handled one. I take it all back KSG is perfect.


Guys, I see you both as having valid points. Under stress, trying to remember which tube has slugs and which one has buck would be difficult short some sort of a job aid, like color coded followers.

Changing ammo at the chamber (Unloading one type of ammo from the chamber for another) would be "different" due to the ejection port location.

I do however think that these could be overcome with training and practice.

Bullman
11-25-2011, 12:14
There is a learning curve with any new weapon. Something so slight as changing from an 870 to a Mossberg would be something new because the controls are different, understress you would be pushing on the trigger guard trying to get the saftey off, or fumbling around for the slide release at the front instead of the rear. The KSG is just going to be a new manual of arms to learn.

D4RWlN
11-26-2011, 01:31
So are these out or not?

kalifornia
12-03-2011, 07:46
^ nope

Bullman
12-03-2011, 14:14
Also just read an interesting tidbit on the Keltec sight. They were talking about capacity, saying that it would handle 12 three inch shells. It went on to say that it functions reliably with shells as short as 1 and 3/4 inches, so I guess the Aguila mini shells may work in it as well, if it ever comes to market. I wonder what capacity it would be then, 20?