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cysoto
10-25-2011, 01:08
Well, it finally happened... I was not paying proper attention to what I was doing and I ended up sticking a loaded 9mm round in my Lee FCD. I managed to pull the cap and the crimp insert out of the die but the round is stuck in the die's tube and it is not coming out.

I tried tapping it out and all I managed to do was flatten the bullet. I don't want to hit it too hard because I am afraid that forcefully compressing the powder may ignite it.

Luckily I was able to dig out the Dillon crimp die that the FCD replaced a few years ago and I was able to finish my reloading session but, I prefer the FCD.

I know these are only about $25 so at least my mistake didn't end up costing me much money but, before I throw it away, does anyone here know if Lee is willing to help out in any way (a discount on a new die would be nice) or should I just not even bother calling them?

Uncle Don
10-25-2011, 04:56
Sorry, my advise is to soak the whole thing in oil and get rid of it. Not worth any risk for the price of a new die.

tac_driver
10-25-2011, 06:14
is there anything sticking out the bottom if there is try angle cutters or pliers just above the rim depending on how much purchase you have to work with and gently tap the cutters on top with a small hammer. worked for me in the sizing die station.

DoctaGlockta
10-25-2011, 06:27
I haven't used a FCD on pistol rounds but only rifle. I can't imagine getting a round stuck that badly unless you are crimping the heck out of the round.

I would take a fired and sized case (steel would be strongest I suppose) and place the mouth of the case over the stuck round. Tap lightly. I would also try grabbing the bottom of the case with a pair of pliers or vice grips as suggested above.

Good luck.

Breadman03
10-25-2011, 06:39
Give Lee a call. It can't hurt.

creophus
10-25-2011, 06:53
Yeah give Lee a call. I had a shell stuck (not a whole round) and they took care of it.

PCJim
10-25-2011, 07:28
Doc's idea above has good logic, although I haven't had to need to do something like this yet. Taking a spent steel case and using it, mouth to mouth, against the stuck case might just solve your problem. I'd also give it a good soaking with a penetrating oil to help assist in easing the stuck case from the die.

Tom in Arizona
10-25-2011, 07:42
Just to reassure yourself take some of that powder you loaded in that 9mm and place it on a something hard, then start smacking it really hard with a hammer. See if it ignites, then after you have convienced yourself it does not squirt some Kroil penetrating oil into the top of the die, let it sit for a while (maybe a day or so) then punch the case out.

Travclem
10-25-2011, 07:45
Cut the base of the brass with side cutters- NOT A POWERTOOL.
Dump the powder tap the brass, insert a screw and pull out with that.

Colorado4Wheel
10-25-2011, 08:01
How did it get stuck? I don't get it at all.

If it's a 9mm die then I have a 9mm FCD base that you can have. I screwed up the crimper part but you have yours from that die. Basically, you can make a complete die with the parts we both have.

GioaJack
10-25-2011, 08:11
Simply use a self-tapping screw and run it down into the bullet about half way. Use a pair a pliers to pull the bullet. (You're not going to set anything off.)

Dump the powder, use a wide tipped punch, (one bigger than the flash hole in the web), and tap the case out.

After you've removed the case without damaging the FCD throw the damn thing away, you don't need it, just learn to adjust your dies correctly.

Don't screw up like that again.

Where'd I put my coffee?


Jack

cysoto
10-25-2011, 08:27
There is very little of the case sticking out the bottom. I stuck that case in there by placing the round on top of the shell holder. I was looking to re-crimp a few rounds to see if adjusting the crimp has any effect in accuracy.

I will try the methods you folks suggested and, if I can't get the round out of the die, I will give Lee a call.

Thank you all!

creophus
10-25-2011, 08:57
I stuck that case in there by placing the round on top of the shell holder.

Ah, that explains it.

Hopefully it will come right out. Good luck.

freakshow10mm
10-25-2011, 10:09
If you have a single stage press, it's easy since you described how it happened. Put the die in the press but not the shellholder. Raise the ram until it's close to the die, then slide the shellholder into the ram. This will grab onto the rim. Lower the ram and the round will come out.

I've done that before myself and it worked well. That's why I always recommend to have a single stage around.

bush pilot
10-25-2011, 12:36
If you have a single stage press, it's easy since you described how it happened. Put the die in the press but not the shellholder. Raise the ram until it's close to the die, then slide the shellholder into the ram. This will grab onto the rim. Lower the ram and the round will come out.

I've done that before myself and it worked well. That's why I always recommend to have a single stage around.

It doesn't sound like there's enough of the rim sticking out to grab.

dkf
10-25-2011, 12:51
After you've removed the case without damaging the FCD throw the damn thing away, you don't need it, just learn to adjust your dies correctly.

I was waiting for someone to say that.:supergrin:

freakshow10mm
10-25-2011, 12:55
It doesn't sound like there's enough of the rim sticking out to grab.
Ah, I see. In that case center the die with lockring in a vise. Use the lockring as a stop collar on top of the jaws. Take off the crimp adjustment stem and tap the round out. You'll most likely get bullet setback, which you can remedy later and no the primer won't go off.

DoctaGlockta
10-25-2011, 12:57
When all is said and done that is going to be one very, very, very accurate round.

SPIN2010
10-25-2011, 13:17
Jack is all over it. Also, you might try setting the whole die (with round) in the freezer for the night/day and see if it all contracts enough to get it out ... just a thought.

cysoto
10-25-2011, 17:08
It doesn't sound like there's enough of the rim sticking out to grab.

Yeap, that's what happened. The bottom of the round is flush with the mouth of the die.

I have the die soaking in penetrating oil right now but I am not sure this will do the trick. The round is stuck in there pretty good.

It's not the primer I am concerned about... I don't want to whack it too hard because compressing the powder quickly will elevate the temperature enough to ignite it (same concept as you would see when using a fire piston) and I don't want to run this chance.

I think I am going to use the Dillon crimp die for a while and hope that I don't come across any spent cases fired through a fully automatic or another firearm with a really loose chamber. Though I admit that I hate the idea of having to go back to case gouging my rounds!

PhantomF4E
10-25-2011, 17:36
Simply use a self-tapping screw and run it down into the bullet about half way. Use a pair a pliers to pull the bullet. (You're not going to set anything off.)

Dump the powder, use a wide tipped punch, (one bigger than the flash hole in the web), and tap the case out.

After you've removed the case without damaging the FCD throw the damn thing away, you don't need it, just learn to adjust your dies correctly.

Don't screw up like that again.

Where'd I put my coffee?


Jack
Do this ...

shotgunred
10-25-2011, 18:34
Simply use a self-tapping screw and run it down into the bullet about half way. Use a pair a pliers to pull the bullet. (You're not going to set anything off.)

Dump the powder, use a wide tipped punch, (one bigger than the flash hole in the web), and tap the case out.

After you've removed the case without damaging the FCD throw the damn thing away, you don't need it, just learn to adjust your dies correctly.

Don't screw up like that again.

Where'd I put my coffee?

Jack

Well jack is half right. Just throw the FCD in the trash and use your Dillon die.

Tom in Arizona
10-25-2011, 18:48
hope that I don't come across any spent cases fired through a fully automatic or another firearm with a really loose chamber. Though I admit that I hate the idea of having to go back to case gouging my rounds!
You can use a different Lee Carbide Factory Crimp Die with the Bulge Buster kit for 9mm parabellum.

The 9mm Markarov Carbide Factory Crimp Die in the Bulge Buster kit works for the 9mm Parabellum. Just run those cases thru that die before reloading will make sure you do not have that problem with pickup brass.

NevadaBob
10-25-2011, 19:52
Go to www.leeprecision.com (http://www.leeprecision.com) and check out their stuck round help video.

cysoto
10-25-2011, 21:46
Update:

I let the die soaking in penetrating oil for a few hours, I removed the bullet the way Jack told me to, put the die in my Rock Chucker and gave the case two solid whacks with a steel punch. The case broke but removing the leftover case wall was easy.

I reinstalled the die and reloaded 50 rounds. I case gauged them and everything looks good.

Thank you all for some great advice and for listening to me whine about my stupid mistake!

PCJim
10-25-2011, 21:57
Thank you all for some great advice and for listening to me whine about my stupid mistake!

All we ask is that you do the same when we're the ones with a problem. :cheers:

freakshow10mm
10-25-2011, 22:56
No problem. We've all had those "aww ****" moments during loading. It's the little things like that which keep us on our toes. As long as you can smile when you're done, it's alright.

Like when I had a 550 and forgot to tighten the screws down on the powder measure. Went to charge a case and it knocked the powder measure off the press. Powder went EVERYWHERE. Was a definite "facepalm, DAMMIT!" moment.

bush pilot
10-26-2011, 00:16
Update:

I let the die soaking in penetrating oil for a few hours, I removed the bullet the way Jack told me to, put the die in my Rock Chucker and gave the case two solid whacks with a steel punch. The case broke but removing the leftover case wall was easy.

I reinstalled the die and reloaded 50 rounds. I case gauged them and everything looks good.

Thank you all for some great advice and for listening to me whine about my stupid mistake!

At least we're good for something.

creophus
10-26-2011, 05:54
Update:

I let the die soaking in penetrating oil for a few hours, I removed the bullet the way Jack told me to, put the die in my Rock Chucker and gave the case two solid whacks with a steel punch. The case broke but removing the leftover case wall was easy.

I reinstalled the die and reloaded 50 rounds. I case gauged them and everything looks good.

Thank you all for some great advice and for listening to me whine about my stupid mistake!

Glad it worked out!!

Colorado4Wheel
10-26-2011, 06:04
Glad you got it out.

cysoto
10-26-2011, 08:28
Like when I had a 550 and forgot to tighten the screws down on the powder measure. Went to charge a case and it knocked the powder measure off the press. Powder went EVERYWHERE. Was a definite "facepalm, DAMMIT!" moment.

Oh, that's gotta hurt!! :faint: