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lkd
10-29-2011, 19:40
(Apologies in advance if this thread has been discussed in a different way. I take responsibility for a) poor searching, b) impatience, c) laziness, or d) all of the above)

I'm a bit frustrated, wanted to see if folks have suggestions here:

I have a Lone Wolf barrel that I used several months ago in a USPSA competition with my reloads. I had MANY failures to chamber. I think I used up all my cuss words that day, even my more unusual combinations.

I'm finally revisiting using my LW barrel, but I'm noticing that my reloads do an awful job of just dropping in and easily turning. I don't have this problem with factory loads, and both factory and my reloads work fine in my Glock barrel.

At this point, I know some of you are saying, "Just send the barrel back to LW, they'll fix it!" My concern is if this is a problem with my dies more than my LW barrel. I use a Lee Turret Press with Lee dies. Here's what I run with my reloads:
OAL: 1.125
Cartridge dia: 0.422
Bullet: Montana Gold 155gr FMJ

My "reference" bullet, a Hornady TAP
OAL: 1.130
Dia: 0.421
Bullet: 155gr Hornady TAP JHP

I know some folks suggest the Lee Bulge Buster, but others say the normal Lee resizer will do the job just fine. Is this a normal problem people see in aftermarket barrels? I'm not bashing the awesome folks at LW, I'm just curious if I need to change how I size my reloads, cuz what I got don't seem to be working :crying:

Boxerglocker
10-29-2011, 20:25
LWD barrels have been know to be short throated. Simple fix is to send it back with several dummy loads and then will ream it out for you.
If you concerned about sizing and bulge of the cases.... easy determining that.... size a couple cases them check them in the barrel before seating a bullet first. If they go in then and not after seating the bullet it's your bullet profile and OAL not case bulge .

lkd
10-29-2011, 20:47
Thanks, Boxer -- now that I think about it, it _does_ feel short-throated regarding the stickiness (as if it's catching on the neck, not on the sidewalls of the casing. I'll just sent it in to LW, I know they'll set it right, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't something I was missing on my reloading process.

dkf
10-29-2011, 21:21
The chamber on the Glock barrel is loose and oversize compared to "match grade" barrels. I don't have a LW barrel myself but I'd bet the chamber is quite a bit smaller in ID than your Glock barrel. I was thinking of maybe picking a LW up for reloads with lead to save money, now I'm reconsidering.

ImpeachObama
10-29-2011, 21:30
I have another brand barrel for .40 in my G33 and it is giving my reloads fits at times. I had to go and move my crimp die lower on my Dillon and it helped a bunch. I have hundreds of rounds already made up, so it's like going thru them and sticking them in position 4, then drop test them in the barrel. A few still didn't make it, so those are for the G22.

Boxerglocker
10-29-2011, 22:01
The chamber on the Glock barrel is loose and oversize compared to "match grade" barrels. I don't have a LW barrel myself but I'd bet the chamber is quite a bit smaller in ID than your Glock barrel. I was thinking of maybe picking a LW up for reloads with lead to save money, now I'm reconsidering.

ANY aftermarket barrel for a Glock will be tighter compared to the OEM, LWD's are just know to be short throated at times. I've owned a few and never had to send one in personally. Most only have issues with lead bullets with very rounded ogive. I'm thinking of getting another for my G34 soon but will definitely order direct from LWD and have them bore the throat out longer to accommodate my 135g moly coated 9mm loads. LWD makes a great barrel, especially for the money.

F106 Fan
10-29-2011, 22:12
So what's the rest of the story on LW barrels? Do they meet the SAMMI spec or not?

I know the Glock chambers are loose, no problem. But if LW are smaller than SAMMI then how could reloads ever work? The fact that they have to recut the chamber is worrisome.

If my reloads fit a cartridge gauge, I would certainly expect them to fit a barrel.

Richard

Boxerglocker
10-29-2011, 22:21
So what's the rest of the story on LW barrels? Do they meet the SAMMI spec or not?

I know the Glock chambers are loose, no problem. But if LW are smaller than SAMMI then how could reloads ever work? The fact that they have to recut the chamber is worrisome.

If my reloads fit a cartridge gauge, I would certainly expect them to fit a barrel.

Richard

Depends on the gauge, Dillons and LE Wilson gauges are on the loose side of the SAMMI spec, EGW are tight.
The issue with LWD at times is they are short throated, like some CZ barrels. Becomes more evident with heavier flatter bullets profiles loaded long in OAL.

WiskyT
10-30-2011, 06:38
The chamber on the Glock barrel is loose and oversize compared to "match grade" barrels. I don't have a LW barrel myself but I'd bet the chamber is quite a bit smaller in ID than your Glock barrel. I was thinking of maybe picking a LW up for reloads with lead to save money, now I'm reconsidering.

The LW chamber isn't "match grade", it's just too ****ing small.

The Glock chamber isn't "oversize", my Beretta 96 Chamber is substantially bigger. If Glock and Beretta are making their chambers a certain size, it's not "oversized", it is the correct size.

LW is a scam. They deliberately make their chambers smaller, which is not some kind of technological accomplishment, nor does it require any kind of "precision". Then they snow people into thinking because it is different it must be better?

I'll put my faith in companies that have made millions and millions of guns for, in the case of Beretta centuries, before I threw in with some cnc company that I could have started up myself even though I have no knowledge of machining. I can't read a blue print, but I could plug a piece of cnc equipment into the wall, put the word "precision" in my company name, and sell "match grade" parts that don't work.

Colorado4Wheel
10-30-2011, 08:24
This will tell you how to check your sizing die and OAL. Among other things.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1375623

Steve Koski
10-30-2011, 08:51
LWD barrels have been know to be short throated. Simple fix is to send it back with several dummy loads and then will ream it out for you.


This.

Tombo 65
10-30-2011, 09:05
WiskyT,

I'm afraid I agree with you. I have LW barrels for my 23, 37, and 21, and I regret getting each of them. There is no improvement in accuracy, in fact the opposite. There is no improvement in feeding, in fact the opposite. There is no reduction in leading, in fact the opposite. I don't think LWD intentionally misleads, or produces an inferior product. I just think Glock barrels are extremely well designed and damn-near impossible to improve on.

I got each of the LW barrels because I wanted to shoot lead thru them. Unfortunately it is very difficult to get lead reloads to chamber consistently. The leading is worse in the LW barrels than in the Glock factory barrels, especially with 21bnh hardcast. No leading in the glock barrels, but some leading in the LW barrels. It might be terrible leading in the LW barrels, but getting more than a few rounds to chamber is difficult.

I tried factory jacketed ammo in all three and the accuracy is not as good as with a factory barrel. Feeding is less than reliable, too.

When the primary reason an aftermarket barrel exists is to allow the use of lead reloads, I shouldn't have to send the barrel back to the manufacterer to have it modified in order to get the thing to feed, chamber and shoot lead reloads reliably. I think the tolerances are way too tight, especially since they don't seem to improve any aspect of the barrel's performance other than preventing case bulges. I don't get any bulged brass with any of my Gen 3 Glock barrels, so that isn't really an improvement anyway.

As far as I'm concerned, Glock barrels are absolutely fantastic. I shoot lead, jacketed, plated, factory, reloads, everything, thru them, and I have yet to find any reason to complain or ask for improvement. Unless the configuration I want is not available as a factory barrel, I will not buy aftermarket barrels. I've ordered a KKM Glock 21 10mm conversion barrel, and will offer feedback on that barrel after it arrives. If the stock 20 barrel would work in the 21 slide, I would have gone with that option instead. Hopefully, the KKM barrel works better than the LWD barrels do.

WiskyT
10-30-2011, 10:04
WiskyT,

I'm afraid I agree with you. I have LW barrels for my 23, 37, and 21, and I regret getting each of them. There is no improvement in accuracy, in fact the opposite. There is no improvement in feeding, in fact the opposite. There is no reduction in leading, in fact the opposite. I don't think LWD intentionally misleads, or produces an inferior product. I just think Glock barrels are extremely well designed and damn-near impossible to improve on.

I got each of the LW barrels because I wanted to shoot lead thru them. Unfortunately it is very difficult to get lead reloads to chamber consistently. The leading is worse in the LW barrels than in the Glock factory barrels, especially with 21bnh hardcast. No leading in the glock barrels, but some leading in the LW barrels. It might be terrible leading in the LW barrels, but getting more than a few rounds to chamber is difficult.

I tried factory jacketed ammo in all three and the accuracy is not as good as with a factory barrel. Feeding is less than reliable, too.

When the primary reason an aftermarket barrel exists is to allow the use of lead reloads, I shouldn't have to send the barrel back to the manufacterer to have it modified in order to get the thing to feed, chamber and shoot lead reloads reliably. I think the tolerances are way too tight, especially since they don't seem to improve any aspect of the barrel's performance other than preventing case bulges. I don't get any bulged brass with any of my Gen 3 Glock barrels, so that isn't really an improvement anyway.

As far as I'm concerned, Glock barrels are absolutely fantastic. I shoot lead, jacketed, plated, factory, reloads, everything, thru them, and I have yet to find any reason to complain or ask for improvement. Unless the configuration I want is not available as a factory barrel, I will not buy aftermarket barrels. I've ordered a KKM Glock 21 10mm conversion barrel, and will offer feedback on that barrel after it arrives. If the stock 20 barrel would work in the 21 slide, I would have gone with that option instead. Hopefully, the KKM barrel works better than the LWD barrels do.

I think KKM has a better reputation than LW based on what I read. Caliber conversion is a good point, but companies like BarSto have been making quality stuff for 40 years. KKM may be on par with BarSto, and there may be others, I haven't shopped around for any of that stuff, but LW isn't in that league.

shotgunred
10-30-2011, 11:28
In 40 SW my glock barrel is .0425
In 40 SW my LW barrel is .0422
Both are within Sammi specs.
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SO its you not the barrel!

Adjust your dies better.

Colorado4Wheel
10-30-2011, 11:35
.422" is smaller then SAAMI spec for a Cartridge. I have never seen numbers for SAAMI spec for a Barrel.

FLSlim
10-30-2011, 11:44
I know you don't want to hear it, but send it back with a few dummy cartridges. I had to, and I haven't had a problem since. You'll hear negative feedback on this, but I also started using the Lee FCD just to be on the safe side. In the final analysis, I decided that I really didn't need anything but the Glock barrel, especially for shooting jacketed, but I have the LW and it does get a little use.

Colorado4Wheel
10-30-2011, 11:50
I have a KKM. I have also had a LW. LW is not as well done as a KKM. It also would not shoot Moly with out leading. My Glock barrel won't shoot lead. It's Wine Barrel shaped (smaller on the ends, bigger in the middle). My KKM is perfect. Both the LW and KKM are tighter then Glock. I never had issues loading for either barrel. They guy who bought my LW couldn't get it to work with his reloads either. He had to get it opened up. To me it's a reloaders equipment issue.

BSA70
10-30-2011, 12:00
I've currently have a lw .40 barrell for my g33 for 3 years. I shoot only swc lead reloads thru it. One time I had a problem, but it was with the last step in the reloading process, the crimp. Got that straightened out, runs like a sewing machine. Occasionally, Ill have a ftf but I blame it on my reloads. I've got thousands thru this barrell, I would buy it again, also, no leading.

bsa nc

WiskyT
10-30-2011, 12:15
.422" is smaller then SAAMI spec for a Cartridge. I have never seen numbers for SAAMI spec for a Barrel.

Yup. with a 0.401" bullet, 0.422" doesn't leave much room for the brass does it? Not to mention a dog hair or two that can find it's way in there.

WiskyT
10-30-2011, 12:19
My Glock barrel won't shoot lead. It's Wine Barrel shaped (smaller on the ends, bigger in the middle).

How do you know that (that it's "wine barrel shaped"? Have you ever tried a medium burning powder with the cast bullets? Didn't you have problems shooting cast bullets initially with your aftermarket barrels?

Goodspeed(TPF)
10-30-2011, 12:30
(Apologies in advance if this thread has been discussed in a different way. I take responsibility for a) poor searching, b) impatience, c) laziness, or d) all of the above)

I'm a bit frustrated, wanted to see if folks have suggestions here:

I have a Lone Wolf barrel that I used several months ago in a USPSA competition with my reloads. I had MANY failures to chamber. I think I used up all my cuss words that day, even my more unusual combinations.

I'm finally revisiting using my LW barrel, but I'm noticing that my reloads do an awful job of just dropping in and easily turning. I don't have this problem with factory loads, and both factory and my reloads work fine in my Glock barrel.

At this point, I know some of you are saying, "Just send the barrel back to LW, they'll fix it!" My concern is if this is a problem with my dies more than my LW barrel. I use a Lee Turret Press with Lee dies. Here's what I run with my reloads:
OAL: 1.125
Cartridge dia: 0.422
Bullet: Montana Gold 155gr FMJ

My "reference" bullet, a Hornady TAP
OAL: 1.130
Dia: 0.421
Bullet: 155gr Hornady TAP JHP

I know some folks suggest the Lee Bulge Buster, but others say the normal Lee resizer will do the job just fine. Is this a normal problem people see in aftermarket barrels? I'm not bashing the awesome folks at LW, I'm just curious if I need to change how I size my reloads, cuz what I got don't seem to be working :crying:

In my opinion, I would start here and not with the barrel as you state it works just fine with factory ammo.

Colorado4Wheel
10-30-2011, 12:51
How do you know that (that it's "wine barrel shaped"? Have you ever tried a medium burning powder with the cast bullets? Didn't you have problems shooting cast bullets initially with your aftermarket barrels?

You can feel the patch is tight at the start, then gets loose, then gets tight again. Yes I have tried Power Pistol. My cast bullets. Unsized Lee Bullets (they are big). Lots of different combo's. It simply will not shoot lead. We have had this conversation before.

tahco gunworks
10-31-2011, 08:24
....even though I have no knowledge of machining.....

Yup :whistling:

WiskyT
10-31-2011, 14:48
Yup :whistling:

Do you have a point?

F106 Fan
10-31-2011, 15:25
.422" is smaller then SAAMI spec for a Cartridge. I have never seen numbers for SAAMI spec for a Barrel.

I was looking at the latest SAMMI spec and I thought the chamber outline was directly below the cartridge diagram. The 40 S&W is on page 44 of the spec (page 52 of the PDF).

Richard

squirreld
10-31-2011, 20:17
I had the same issue with some 180 gr PD FMJ rounds in my LW bbl.
I sold the bbl.

Bluescot
04-11-2012, 10:24
The LW chamber isn't "match grade", it's just too ****ing small.

The Glock chamber isn't "oversize", my Beretta 96 Chamber is substantially bigger. If Glock and Beretta are making their chambers a certain size, it's not "oversized", it is the correct size.

LW is a scam. They deliberately make their chambers smaller, which is not some kind of technological accomplishment, nor does it require any kind of "precision". Then they snow people into thinking because it is different it must be better?

I'll put my faith in companies that have made millions and millions of guns for, in the case of Beretta centuries, before I threw in with some cnc company that I could have started up myself even though I have no knowledge of machining. I can't read a blue print, but I could plug a piece of cnc equipment into the wall, put the word "precision" in my company name, and sell "match grade" parts that don't work.


I ordered two barrels from LW, one for a Glock 27 and one for a Glock 30. The barrel for the 27 is humming along with a variety of reloads and the accuracy is about the same.

The barrel for the 30 is a shoot twice and clear once routine. I've tried all kinds of bullet designs and OAL length adjustments and different dies for crimping the loads to no avail. The 30 will function will factory stuff as long as it is not SWC bullet designs.

A call to LW this morning says that they are "precision match grade" products and that for $30 they will ream it out and allow me to pay for the shipping.

Interesting warranty policy in my viewpoint. I'm done with their products.

Colorado4Wheel
04-11-2012, 10:28
KKM makes a nice barrel. It is designed on the smaller side. As you would expect for a aftermarket barrel. But, if you and your equipment are right the stuff will run in their barrel.

Bluescot
04-11-2012, 10:54
KKM makes a nice barrel. It is designed on the smaller side. As you would expect for a aftermarket barrel. But, if you and your equipment are right the stuff will run in their barrel.


I will be looking for another barrel for the Glock 30 and was wondering about what the experience has been from members of these forums with replacement barrels. Especially with regards to feeding problems and solutions that they have encountered to make their shooters run.

It seems one of the major inducements in going to an aftermarket barrel is to shoot lead then why would you be ending up on the small side of the coin? Most of the lead shooters are also reloaders with varying degrees of skill as well. I know that accuracy is improved with these commonly found tight "precision Match grade" chambers but before you get to accuracy you need to get the darn thing into your barrel.

Any other manufacturers or experience out there with Glock after market barrels? Particularly with the 45ACP

Colorado4Wheel
04-11-2012, 11:01
I shoot oversized 9mm Lead Bullets in my KKM with out a issue. I would buy one again. Like the barrel. Hate the price. But once I have it I don't really remember paying for it. Just hurts once.

I had a LW for the same gun. It leaded with everything lead. It ran great with jacketed. I sold it to a friend who only shots jacketed. He could not get it to run in his gun with his reloads. Had to get it reamed. Only difference was the dies. I use Lee, he used Dillon. I have been preaching this to people ever since. I try to tell people dies and setup matter. But people like to argue and think they know better. Every once in a while someone listens and finds my advise actually helps. Most the time they do stupid stuff they don't need to do thinking that is the only solution for these "match barrels". They are wrong.

Edit: I do not mean to imply that LW doesn't make barrels WAY to small sometimes. But not every barrel people have issues with is having those issues because its LW fault. Some people just don't do what is required to set things up right for that kind of barrel.

dkf
04-11-2012, 11:21
I will be looking for another barrel for the Glock 30 and was wondering about what the experience has been from members of these forums with replacement barrels. Especially with regards to feeding problems and solutions that they have encountered to make their shooters run.

It seems one of the major inducements in going to an aftermarket barrel is to shoot lead then why would you be ending up on the small side of the coin? Most of the lead shooters are also reloaders with varying degrees of skill as well. I know that accuracy is improved with these commonly found tight "precision Match grade" chambers but before you get to accuracy you need to get the darn thing into your barrel.

Any other manufacturers or experience out there with Glock after market barrels? Particularly with the 45ACP

Have you tried shooting your loads (even lead) out of the factory Glock barrel?

byf43
04-11-2012, 11:36
I think KKM has a better reputation than LW based on what I read. Caliber conversion is a good point, but companies like BarSto have been making quality stuff for 40 years. KKM may be on par with BarSto, and there may be others, I haven't shopped around for any of that stuff, but LW isn't in that league.

Granted, it's a .45 acp, but, I fitted a Bar-Sto barrel to my G21 several years ago (so that I could shoot lead SWC), and it runs like it was built just for it. 100%. Every time.

Bar-Sto = :thumbsup:

Colorado4Wheel
04-11-2012, 11:46
I think KKM is the only Button Rifled Barrel for a Glock. I hear better things about KKM then Glock. I know a lot of people using KKM. Very few using Barsto. Probably because the Barsto is designed to be Fitted and KKM makes a drop in.

Bluescot
04-11-2012, 14:35
Have you tried shooting your loads (even lead) out of the factory Glock barrel?


I took a bunch of handguns out to shoot some reloads through the chronograph and took the Glock factory barrel along for the 45ACP.

With the LW barrel it was bang, bang, clear....cuss, bang, bang, clear, more cussing. I slipped in the factory Glock barrel and the darn thing functioned smoothly with all the reloads, jacketed and lead. The interesting thing was that the jacketed reloads were substantially longer than the lead reloads yet the factory barrel handled them smoothly.

I had been shortening the OAL of the lead loads after the fact to get them to feed better and started to get a little uneasy about increases in the pressure. With the jacketed reloads I was not able to run them through the press again to shorten the length and ended up thinking that maybe I would reserve those rounds for my Paraordinance 14-45. The Glock factory barrel was humming with them to my surprise and glee.

The funny thing is the LW barrel for the Glock 27 is functioning fine with all the reloads, both lead and jacketed without any endless tweaking of all factors. It's the same guy reloading for the .40 as the 45ACP......me. I think the LW barrel for the 45ACP is just too tight and a lemon.

I'm not going to pay 1/3 of the original cost of the barrel for them to honor their warranty and will be looking at their competitors products. Money is not the issue but rather their warranty is; I would gladly buy 3 KKM barrels knowing their price and reputation.

Thanks for the input lads.

F106 Fan
04-11-2012, 15:29
Only difference was the dies. I use Lee, he used Dillon. I have been preaching this to people ever since. I try to tell people dies and setup matter. that is the only solution for these "match barrels". They are wrong.


I don't know anything about KKM or LW barrels and the most sophisticated barrel I have ever used was a Barsto for one of my 1911s.

What I DO know is that Dillon dies work perfectly for my .45 ACP. I just went out in the garage and measured some FMJ, LSWC and LRN and every single measurement is within the SAAMI standard. Of course the important measurements are the diameter at the case mouth and the diameter at the base. Both are under the spec. Not by much but 0.001" is enough given that the bullet spec is smaller than the chamber spec by another 0.001". Total slop: 0.002".

What is more important is the fact that the loaded rounds function every single time in every .45 I have (G21SF, Sig P220 and several 1911s). No failures of any kind.

I did try the Lee sizing die for 9mm because I was picking up Glock brass off the ground. I don't know that it was necessary but I thought I would try it. As a result, I can't measure any 9mm from strictly Dillon dies so I'll not get into that. I will say that the loaded rounds function every single time in an XD9.

I agree that setup is important. The sizing die should 'cam over' when the press is fully loaded. The expander should open the mouth just enough to allow the bullet to be seated without damage. The seating die? There's not a lot to say about the seating die. Get the bullet to the proper depth and move on. The taper crimp die should just close up the case mouth. That's about it!

There is a printed standard so it should be pretty easy to see if the end result measures up. And it's free...

I don't think Dillon dies are a problem but I would bet on setup problems.

FWIW, I used RCBS dies for many years with equal success. I just changed to the Dillon dies for the added features, not because I was unhappy with RCBS.

As to LW barrels? I have no idea but from what I have read, I won't even consider buying one. What would be more interesting is to measure the chamber and compare it with the SAAMI standards. It either measures up or it's wrong. There's not a lot of middle ground.

Another interesting observation: it seems to me that people are having more problems loading 40 S&W than the old time 9mm and 45 ACP. One of these days I'm going to get into 40 S&W reloading. I wonder how it's going to come out.

Richard

tahco gunworks
04-11-2012, 15:37
The LW chamber isn't "match grade", it's just too ****ing small.

The Glock chamber isn't "oversize", my Beretta 96 Chamber is substantially bigger. If Glock and Beretta are making their chambers a certain size, it's not "oversized", it is the correct size.

LW is a scam. They deliberately make their chambers smaller, which is not some kind of technological accomplishment, nor does it require any kind of "precision". Then they snow people into thinking because it is different it must be better?

I'll put my faith in companies that have made millions and millions of guns for, in the case of Beretta centuries, before I threw in with some cnc company that I could have started up myself even though I have no knowledge of machining. I can't read a blue print, but I could plug a piece of cnc equipment into the wall, put the word "precision" in my company name, and sell "match grade" parts that don't work.
I actually agree with whisky here. I wasn't too impressed with the machine work on the LW barrel that I had purchased, and frankly i had consistent better grouping with lead bullets and my stock barrel. Having to send back the barrel to have it throated is ridiculous.

BSA70
04-11-2012, 17:07
I've been running a lone wolf .40 for couple of years now. I have thousands of rounds thru it. It does very good with my reloads. Occasional hang up here and there, but that is probably due to my reloading skills.

$30 isn't to much. They ask for a couple of your reloads and taylor the barrell for them.
But then again, that's $30 more on top of what it cost.....

bsa

shotgunred
04-11-2012, 17:33
In the 40SW a lone wolf barrel is 3 thousands of an inch tighter than a glock barrel but it is still in specs.


1. Adjust your sizing die all the way down to the shell plate.
2. Make sure you take all the flare out of your crimp.
3. Seat your bullets at 1.125
4. Go shoot your reloads:)

40 S+W
04-13-2012, 07:47
I have run 500 TNT Reloading 180 gr TC hard cast lead bullets over 4.3grs of red dot through my G22 with stock barrel.. Very accurate and NO leading problems yet.. I'm on my first thousand Wideners 155gr SWCs and also NO problems yet.. I think Glocks barrels are just fine with hard cast, not sure on just pure lead though?? I run my 357mags with TNTs 158gr SWC hard cast over 16grs of win 296,, they don't lead my revolvers either!!! Alot of these after market companies are just blowing smoke to get our dollars$$$$

WiskyT
04-13-2012, 14:43
I have run 500 TNT Reloading 180 gr TC hard cast lead bullets over 4.3grs of red dot through my G22 with stock barrel.. Very accurate and NO leading problems yet.. I'm on my first thousand Wideners 155gr SWCs and also NO problems yet.. I think Glocks barrels are just fine with hard cast, not sure on just pure lead though?? I run my 357mags with TNTs 158gr SWC hard cast over 16grs of win 296,, they don't lead my revolvers either!!! Alot of these after market companies are just blowing smoke to get our dollars$$$$

You can use softer bullets, but you have to reduce your charges or use a slower powder for an equal velocity. I use 3.5 Bullseye for a light load and 5.2 Unique for a factory duplicate with soft home cast 180's in 40SW. With those hard store bought bullets, you can "get away with" more regarding velocity and fast powders like Red Dot.

40 S+W
04-13-2012, 20:34
I just ordered 4 lbs of HERCO from Wideners this AM.. They didn't have much of anything I wanted (Power Pistol) but we'll give it a try.. Gonna start the 155 HC's at 5.8grs and work up!!! That may be a good practice load for my G22 right ther though???

toshbar
04-13-2012, 21:44
Thousands of chunks of lead have traveled down my factory 23 and 24 barrels.

The 24 will clover leaf at 25 yards. I fail to see it getting any better with any other barrels.

spookmagnet
04-13-2012, 22:20
.422" is smaller then SAAMI spec for a Cartridge. I have never seen numbers for SAAMI spec for a Barrel.

If I understand what you are saying, SAAMI publishes both the cartridge and chamber. http://www.saami.org/PubResources/CC_Drawings/Pistol/40%20SandW.pdf

WiskyT
04-14-2012, 09:02
I just ordered 4 lbs of HERCO from Wideners this AM.. They didn't have much of anything I wanted (Power Pistol) but we'll give it a try.. Gonna start the 155 HC's at 5.8grs and work up!!! That may be a good practice load for my G22 right ther though???

Herco should work fine. Data might be a little thin, hard to find. I've never used it, but it might be a little heavy in the balst and flash department, but it should "work". Let us know how it does.

carlspeed
09-14-2012, 15:54
I've had the same experience with lone wolf as others, and will not own another one. The barrel will not feed reloaded lead bullets, which is the only freaking reason I bought it. In fact, I cannot imagine why anyone would even buy an aftermarket barrel if not to shoot reloaded lead. Who really has a Glock 19 and needs a match grade barrel?

After getting this useless barrel, I've contacted lone wolf and spoken with Anna, who advised me that my only option was to send them the barrel, and a few empty rounds, along with $30 to "fix" my barrel. I've got 5 other guns chambered in the same caliber, and not one has a problem with these rounds. I just don't get it. If I have to pay more, I'm buying a KKM barrel. The one I have for my Glock 24 is substantially nicer in every way. The lines are smoother, it doesn't have sharp edges, and check this out, it feeds lead bullets.

I even explained to Anna that on the website, it flat out says the lone wolf barrels will shoot lead bullets. But apparently, to honor that, you have to pay more. I get it, lone wolf is an inexpensive alternative to other barrels. I'm not asking for some custom fitted piece, all I want is something that works as advertised

Bluescot
09-18-2012, 20:01
I've had the same experience with lone wolf as others, and will not own another one. The barrel will not feed reloaded lead bullets, which is the only freaking reason I bought it. In fact, I cannot imagine why anyone would even buy an aftermarket barrel if not to shoot reloaded lead. Who really has a Glock 19 and needs a match grade barrel?

After getting this useless barrel, I've contacted lone wolf and spoken with Anna, who advised me that my only option was to send them the barrel, and a few empty rounds, along with $30 to "fix" my barrel. I've got 5 other guns chambered in the same caliber, and not one has a problem with these rounds. I just don't get it. If I have to pay more, I'm buying a KKM barrel. The one I have for my Glock 24 is substantially nicer in every way. The lines are smoother, it doesn't have sharp edges, and check this out, it feeds lead bullets.

I even explained to Anna that on the website, it flat out says the lone wolf barrels will shoot lead bullets. But apparently, to honor that, you have to pay more. I get it, lone wolf is an inexpensive alternative to other barrels. I'm not asking for some custom fitted piece, all I want is something that works as advertised


JR the owner proposed a rechambering done free just recently. See the Lone Wolf thread with about 10,000 posts in it.

Forget talking to Anne, go to JR. He redid my G30 and G27 barrels and they are now better than before but not dependable like my KKM barrels.

Colorado4Wheel
09-18-2012, 20:11
Another glowing endorsement ;)

dkf
09-18-2012, 21:35
In the 40SW a lone wolf barrel is 3 thousands of an inch tighter than a glock barrel but it is still in specs.

If that is true then compared to my .40 Glock barrels the LW would be under SAAMI minimum. My Glock barrels (later smaller feed ramp) barrels are right in the middle of SAAMI range.(.002" over minimum)

ChrisJn
09-19-2012, 03:44
I case gauge every round I am going to use in my Lone Wolf barrels. If they pass that test they WILL fit perfectly in in the barrel!

DoctaGlockta
09-19-2012, 06:27
FWIW I have had two barrels on back order for +6 months now.

I guess they are busy 'fixing' other folks barrels :dunno:.

I just may cancel the order.

Thanks to the OP for the reminder about my order.

Boxerglocker
09-19-2012, 08:20
I've had the same experience with lone wolf as others, and will not own another one. The barrel will not feed reloaded lead bullets, which is the only freaking reason I bought it. In fact, I cannot imagine why anyone would even buy an aftermarket barrel if not to shoot reloaded lead. Who really has a Glock 19 and needs a match grade barrel?

After getting this useless barrel, I've contacted lone wolf and spoken with Anna, who advised me that my only option was to send them the barrel, and a few empty rounds, along with $30 to "fix" my barrel. I've got 5 other guns chambered in the same caliber, and not one has a problem with these rounds. I just don't get it. If I have to pay more, I'm buying a KKM barrel. The one I have for my Glock 24 is substantially nicer in every way. The lines are smoother, it doesn't have sharp edges, and check this out, it feeds lead bullets.

I even explained to Anna that on the website, it flat out says the lone wolf barrels will shoot lead bullets. But apparently, to honor that, you have to pay more. I get it, lone wolf is an inexpensive alternative to other barrels. I'm not asking for some custom fitted piece, all I want is something that works as advertised

So have you investigated why? Profile, OAL, crimp??

I had an issue with my chosen bullet profile and OAL with my LWB. I could get it to work but not at the OAL I wanted run, so had JR ream it out. Just last weekend was helping a fellow in my IDPA club. His reloads wouldn't feed into his CZ reliably. OAL was 1.155 advised him to shorten to 1.130, he called me yesterday to tell me he ran 250 rounds at a USPSA match Sunday and didn't have a hiccup.

Point is before you lodge a complaint you should do what is necessary to diagnose the actual issue.

Boxerglocker
09-19-2012, 08:22
FWIW I have had two barrels on back order for +6 months now.

I guess they are busy 'fixing' other folks barrels :dunno:.

I just may cancel the order.

Thanks to the OP for the reminder about my order.

Where did you order from? What barrel? A local group here, just had 2 big group buys in the last month already delivered.

DoctaGlockta
09-19-2012, 08:28
Where did you order from? What barrel? A local group here, just had 2 big group buys in the last month already delivered.

Ordered direct. One 9mm and one 45 - both threaded.

Perhaps the threading machine is broken :dunno:.

dkf
09-19-2012, 09:18
Slow boat from Taiwan, Korea or where ever they are made.:dunno: