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akapennypincher
11-01-2011, 16:35
Do not have funds for both, what would you choose, and why?

Educate me as it has been over 40 Years since I had an M-16 Issued to me by my UNCLE in DC.:wow:

Geko45
11-01-2011, 16:40
Ah, now you've really gone and done it. Might as well ask "9mm or .45?"

Swanny
11-01-2011, 16:43
Knowing you, I would suggest the AK because it is cheaper...

RMD
11-01-2011, 16:45
300 blk

AK_Stick
11-01-2011, 16:45
both?

ZekerMan
11-01-2011, 16:48
I never liked the M-16 issued to me 40 yrs. plus ago nor the clones thereafter, I do like the AKM for reliability, ammo selection, cheap surplus mags that work, easy cleaning and I like .30 caliber. You will get many opinions but I say try them both out one way or the other then decide which YOU like better. Good luck!

Glockdude1
11-01-2011, 16:52
Buy both.

:cool:

Mayhem like Me
11-01-2011, 16:54
give me your gun and immediate needs budget (mags, light ,sling etc) and intended use and I will give you a suggestion.

michael e
11-01-2011, 16:57
Both, I have an issue making tuff choices like this. Have AK AR SKS Mini 14 30 because of this problem.

faceplant
11-01-2011, 16:57
I have both. My vote would be for the AR15. It is more accurate, versatile and feels better shooting. What do you want it for?

Halojumper
11-01-2011, 16:59
Guns are like software. You have to start at the end (the requirements) and determine what it will be used for and work backward from there. IMHO too many people just go out and get a "cool" gun then try to figure out what they want to do with it.

LSUAdman
11-01-2011, 17:01
Easy answer - buy both. Buy the one you are most anticipating first, then buy the other. You didnt state what your plans were for it. If you just want it for range use, you cant beat the x39 for cheap ammo and cheap mags - plus a 70 round drum is always fun.

I bought my AR first since it was the platform I was most familiar with, and a few years later picked up my first AK (a draco).

BobbyS
11-01-2011, 17:02
Be an American, buy the AR. I cannot believe how many commie haters here buy commie guns.

Restless28
11-01-2011, 17:03
If serious, AK.

Restless28
11-01-2011, 17:06
Be an American, buy the AR. I cannot believe how many commie haters here buy commie guns.

First stupid post! Hooray!

akapennypincher
11-01-2011, 17:10
Plinking toy with a BANG. If there was a Glock 9mm Carbine it would be a Glock 9mm Carbine...LOL

Halojumper
11-01-2011, 17:11
If serious, AK.

What do you mean by serious?

JackMac
11-01-2011, 17:12
I've owned several AR-15 rifles in various configurations. I owned several AK-47 rifles as well. Ammo for the AK is less expensive than 5.56 mm and the venerable AK-47 is much like the old "Timex" watches....takes a licking and keeps on ticking. You can't go wrong with either. I do like the 30 caliber round though. A buddy in Vietnam had an AK that was pretty beat up...dirt, grit, rust and such. He'd take the heal of his boot and kick down on the small charging handle on the bolt, to dislodge the rust, and it fired flawlessly. I had one and never ever cleaned it and never had a problem with functionality. I have had Chinese, Russian, Egyptian and Romanian manufactured AK's and like them all. Russian ones are better constructed.

Geko45
11-01-2011, 17:13
AR Pros:
More accurate, higher velocity round
It's a Mr. Potato Head when it comes to accessories (the sky is the limit)

AR Cons:
More expensive to buy, more expensive to own
Smaller caliber
Less reliable action (although it's a world better than your "uncle's" old M-16)

AK Pros:
Cheaper to buy, cheaper to own
Rock solid reliability
Larger caliber

AK Cons:
Less accurate
Less accessory selection (everything is easy to find, but less "options" overall)

shooter9696
11-01-2011, 17:16
If it's a plinking toy I say AR...

You can throw a different upper on top and shoot .22.

You can have multiple uppers for carbine or longer distance range.

Besides, so many parts, knick knacks and fun stuff to add onto an AR.

Nestor
11-01-2011, 17:18
What's the idea behind this purchase?
What's your budget?
Does tactifoolish power run strong in You?

FPS
11-01-2011, 17:23
If it's a plinking toy I say AR...

You can throw a different upper on top and shoot .22.

You can have multiple uppers for carbine or longer distance range.

Besides, so many parts, knick knacks and fun stuff to add onto an AR.
.
I agree with this. The 5.56 and .223 make great plinkers. The option to have a .22 upper or even a 9mm is good too.

Hines57
11-01-2011, 17:23
FAL. The answer to all your questions.

Restless28
11-01-2011, 17:24
What do you mean by serious?

If this is like most "what" questions on GT, asking for opinions, I say AK, since it is my opinion.

M&P Shooter
11-01-2011, 18:02
AR when you want to hit what you aim at:whistling:

Averageman
11-01-2011, 18:16
It is in the quality of either gun.
You can by a cheap AR or a cheap AK and buy either and be unhappy, or you can spend $1200 on either gun and have a quality weapon.
You have to be a bit more specific as to your requrements to get beyond the generalities listed above.
I can assure you if you have the money, you can find a quality weapon of either make, then you can get in to calibers and start a whole new thread about which is best.

Yo
11-01-2011, 18:19
Both guns are fun. AR likely to be slightly better than 1 MOA. AK has crude sights, and even with optics is likely to be 2 MOA or worse.

Big diff in maintenance. AK will be happy with a wipedown of action every thousand rounds, an quick bore cleaning every 300-400. The AR, if you want to keep it in tip-top firing condition, will demand one hour of cleaning for every hour of shooting.

AR can be used as basis for a very accurate Service Rifle or High Power rifle, with a new barrel and upper. AK is what it is -- a "dead nuts reliable" combat weapon.

Halojumper
11-01-2011, 18:26
The AR, if you want to keep it in tip-top firing condition, will demand one hour of cleaning for every hour of shooting.


How did you arrive at that number? I'll agree that they probably require more than an AK, but nowhere near that ratio.

KCHORNS
11-01-2011, 19:09
They're both great guns, Go handle both of them and I'll bet you get your answer. I know I was set on an AK47 then I pick up the AR15 and was in love. Someday I'll have both.

denn1911
11-01-2011, 19:20
I'd buy the AR15 first. You won't regret it. Good luck.

mixflip
11-01-2011, 20:13
Both have their strengths & weaknesses.

I now own both....and as cliche as it sounds.... owning both is black rifle HEAVEN!!!

I'd say buy the Ak47 first because its just cheaper. Shoot the snot out of it. Then when you save up enough for the Ar15, you will apreciate the AR's ergonomics, ambidextrous options, light weight and accuracy even more.

txgunguy
11-01-2011, 20:33
Having both, I would have to say AK first. It was my first. I was inexperienced with the maintenance of an AR and wanted a hi cap rifle. AR maintenance isn't extraordinary or anything, but knowing nothing about either, I went AK.

I like both platforms, and I would be hard pressed in an end of the world scenario to not grab the AK. They can run with almost no lube, and can run longer between cleanings in my experience.

The AR is a little more precision, and very reliable. Love the AR.

Factor in cost of ammo, mags, etc and then make your decision.

surf
11-01-2011, 21:19
I own each. SKS, AK's are accurate enough. Just seems that AK shooters are not as skilled marksmen in general and therefore can easily blame their own shortcomings in regards to accuracy or precision on the weapon. ;)

faawrenchbndr
11-02-2011, 02:40
Both,......expect to spens about $1k for a QUALITY AR or AK
Some of the cheap *** US assembled AKs are a pile of crap!

Novocaine
11-02-2011, 04:56
AR, because it's a better range gun and you're not going to use it for anything else.

eracer
11-02-2011, 05:27
I have five AR-15's in different calibers and configurations. I don't intend to ever sell any of them.

I have an SKS and an AKM. I never shoot either, because I have an AR-15 in .300 BLK (which closely matches the ballistics of the .30 caliber Russian round,) and is far more versatile and accurate and enjoyable to shoot.

I will probably keep the SKS (just because...) and sell the (useless to me) AKM.

daddysnapmuffins
11-02-2011, 05:29
The AR, if you want to keep it in tip-top firing condition, will demand one hour of cleaning for every hour of shooting.


That's straight bs. Ever hear of the Filthy-14? S.W.A.T. Magazine ran a BCM to 15k rounds with only relubing with no malfunctions.

Halojumper
11-02-2011, 07:30
AR, because it's a better range gun and you're not going to use it for anything else.

You have more of a point than most would want to admit to! :)

Mayhem like Me
11-02-2011, 08:28
Plinking toy with a BANG. If there was a Glock 9mm Carbine it would be a Glock 9mm Carbine...LOL

In that case go with an AK in 5.45

PlasticGuy
11-02-2011, 09:23
My preference is for the AK as a general rule, but that doesn't mean that I don't respect some of the advantages of my issued Colt. Money is a big factor though. If money is tight, the AK is the clear winner regardless of personal preference. Cheap AK's work a lot better than cheap AR's. Nobody reputable would argue that point. What is your budget?

pleaforwar
11-02-2011, 10:13
Big diff in maintenance. AK will be happy with a wipedown of action every thousand rounds, an quick bore cleaning every 300-400. The AR, if you want to keep it in tip-top firing condition, will demand one hour of cleaning for every hour of shooting.


I disagree. I have ran the hell out of AR's without even 1 cumulative hour of cleaning. My primary carbine has 6600 rounds through it, through 4 courses and other training, and I have spent maybe 30 minutes cleaning it since I have owned the rifle.

Then again, I have always kept it properly lubed.

AK_Stick
11-02-2011, 13:23
Big diff in maintenance. AK will be happy with a wipedown of action every thousand rounds, an quick bore cleaning every 300-400. The AR, if you want to keep it in tip-top firing condition, will demand one hour of cleaning for every hour of shooting.




Say what? I guess there are alot of soldiers who don't know how to clean their weapons.

I generally pull the bolt and wipe down the bolt, and inside of the upper, and thats about all the cleaning I do on my duty weapon. If I'm really feeling uppity, I'll take the bolt apart to clean it.


Where did you get this hour of cleaning for hour of firing junk from?

faawrenchbndr
11-02-2011, 13:29
Both guns are fun. AR likely to be slightly better than 1 MOA. AK has crude sights, and even with optics is likely to be 2 MOA or worse.

Big diff in maintenance. AK will be happy with a wipedown of action every thousand rounds, an quick bore cleaning every 300-400. The AR, if you want to keep it in tip-top firing condition, will demand one hour of cleaning for every hour of shooting.

AR can be used as basis for a very accurate Service Rifle or High Power rifle, with a new barrel and upper. AK is what it is -- a "dead nuts reliable" combat weapon.


Clueless near the ocean,.......:faint:

TedG
11-02-2011, 14:15
Big diff in maintenance. AK will be happy with a wipedown of action every thousand rounds, an quick bore cleaning every 300-400. The AR, if you want to keep it in tip-top firing condition, will demand one hour of cleaning for every hour of shooting.


Look up the story of BCM's "Filthy 14" AR15 in which they have fired well over 33,000 rounds without anything but oiling. The "it requires a lot more maintenance" replies are just repetitive of what someone's uncle told a 3rd cousin's sister 10 or 40 years ago. It's an urban legend.

The AR will be a whole lot more likeable than an AK after you've carried it around for 20 or 30 miles. Get an AR.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i90/TedG954/INFIDELAPPROVED-4sm2.jpg

faceplant
11-02-2011, 18:15
Plinking toy with a BANG. If there was a Glock 9mm Carbine it would be a Glock 9mm Carbine...LOL

kel tech sub 2000 in 9mm. It will hold glock mags and with the 32rd mags is fun gun to shoot

DieselNut
11-02-2011, 18:54
If you're going for cheap (sounds like you are to me) then buy the AK. Buy a cheap Cugir Romanian AK or a Mak90, and spend the rest of your money on ammo. There is no "good and cheap" AR. If you buy Romanian, check for canted sights and mag wobble.

mgs
11-03-2011, 09:12
I have a 16" HB factory Colt AR in 7.62x39 with a .308 barrel....best of both worlds and a tack driver and can run subsonic. Hard to believe but it runs USA 20 & 30rd steel mags 100% and I bought a bunch of them in the '90's, Mike.

vrex
11-03-2011, 19:44
How about a nice AK-15?:cool:

Skyhook
11-04-2011, 05:22
When I long for the company of something with warts that will offer some burred edge to slice my finger open and/or when I want to hog-rassle, I pick up the AK and a few 100 rnds and head out to the range.

When I prefer more pleasant company and finer manners, I'll carry one of the ARs out of the safe and into daylight.

Like the wimmens say, guys, :supergrin: it's all about feelings.

akapennypincher
11-06-2011, 08:48
Well I am leaning towards an AK in 5.45, will see what is available at the SAR SHOW IN DECEMBER!

JGguns
11-06-2011, 11:54
Having gone back an fourth 4 times I always come back to the ar. Just better all around for me. I have never had a problem with reliability out of either. Of course the toughest conditions I have had a ar or a ak in is a carbine course.... But I am sure I will own a ak again before it's all said an done

APD
11-07-2011, 21:58
I bought an SKS, then AR, then AK. I still want another AK, I have several AR's and SKS's and love them. If I had to choose I would get an AR.

brisk21
11-08-2011, 20:11
I vote AR. AKs are fun, but since the ammo prices have risen you can't get super cheap 7.62x39 anymore.

rhino673
11-08-2011, 20:30
AR, because it's a better range gun and you're not going to use it for anything else.

Truth:cool:

Glockdude1
11-08-2011, 22:13
I vote AR. AKs are fun, but since the ammo prices have risen you can't get super cheap 7.62x39 anymore.

I miss the days of $70 per thousand chinese ammo.......... :crying:

brisk21
11-09-2011, 07:33
I miss the days of $70 per thousand chinese ammo.......... :crying:


Exactly what I mean.

rem2429
11-10-2011, 01:24
AK, because if you have to ask this question, it is the one for you.

Baba Louie
11-10-2011, 05:58
AK74 in 5.45 perhaps? Buy ammo cheap, stack ammo deep. Yes it's corrosive commie ammo.

Maybe later looking at getting AR in same chambering. (maybe not. variety... spice, etc) Buy more ammo. Keep stacking it.

UnjollyRoger
11-10-2011, 16:21
AK.

It's just a better platform.

DieselNut
11-10-2011, 16:52
Another suggestion is buy the AK then buy an AR lower and build it as funds come.