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coleslaw
11-03-2011, 14:50
I just recently traded my .45 for a Sig 9mm so now all I have is 9mm guns. I plan on carrying my Glock 26 year round. What is the best 9mm JHP to carry in the winter. I am concerned with Hollowpoints clogging up and acting as FMJ's... now my threat isn't hurt that much and that bullet is going through his back and to another destination. So what is the most reliable expanding 9mm JHP that will still give me adequate penetration?

FWIW I carry Corbon DPX 115 grain, but have heard that the lighter bullets such as 115 do not perfom well when passing clothing.

ronin.45
11-03-2011, 15:33
I carry Pow'R Ball all year long. It can't clog up and has to expand.

Jeff82
11-03-2011, 16:23
Go heavy whatever you do. (147 gr.)

Breadman03
11-03-2011, 16:25
I'm running Hornady Critical Defense. The hollowpoint is filled with polymer so it doesn't clog.

9mmParabellum
11-03-2011, 16:46
Corbon DPX, Federal HST, Winchestar 115gr +P+, anything will work place the bullets properly. 147gr 9mm don't have a good street record but like any other bullet have killed people also.

You could get some 9mm NATO its FMJ but don't get stressed on this subject I carry Corbons 115gr JHP all year round I don't switch from 115gr in summer to 124gr in winter I don't have time for that BS.

cowboy1964
11-03-2011, 18:27
124+P Gold Dots year 'round. The NYPD doesn't switch come winter.

hotpig
11-03-2011, 18:44
Modern 147 in the last 15 years has had a good record. When I order inventory it works out best to order about 20% more 147 than any other weight. This way they all need reordered close to the same time.

However with Gold Dot LE the 124+P sells better and also with Golden Saber Bonded LE the 124+P just nudges out the 147.

unit1069
11-03-2011, 21:13
124+P Gold Dots year 'round. The NYPD doesn't switch come winter.

The Speer +P 124-grain Gold Dot is my next ammo purchase.

I've been concerned enough about 115-grain +P+ making it through heavy winter clothing that I'm currently carrying the Federal 135-grain Tactical Bonded +P in my 9mm pistol. Hard to find good data on this round but what I have read leads me to believe it's very capable.

The Retired Sarge
11-03-2011, 22:27
147gr Federal HST is my choice in 9mm. Gun writers, some authors, and the internet say the 147gr 9mm does not have a good record-not so with LE who actually use it.

www.le.atk.com See the ammo testing data and videos. Bill

GiveMeLiberty
11-04-2011, 09:59
I just recently traded my .45 for a Sig 9mm so now all I have is 9mm guns. I plan on carrying my Glock 26 year round. What is the best 9mm JHP to carry in the winter. I am concerned with Hollowpoints clogging up and acting as FMJ's... now my threat isn't hurt that much and that bullet is going through his back and to another destination. So what is the most reliable expanding 9mm JHP that will still give me adequate penetration?

FWIW I carry Corbon DPX 115 grain, but have heard that the lighter bullets such as 115 do not perfom well when passing clothing.

Actually, the Corbon DPX is a fantastic round. I used to carry the +P version back when I carried a 9mm. Also, if you are concerned about clogging during winter months then pick up some Hornady Critical Defense in a +P loading. It is specifically designed to expand after passing through multiple layers &/or thick clothing - hp-clogging is a non-issue. Some criticize the round for poor penetration when shooting through car doors or windshields, but I guess you can't have EVERYTHING, eh? I have no qualms about carrying this load in my .45 or .40s&w.

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CanyonMan
11-04-2011, 12:37
I don't carry the 9mm. It stays in the safe. BUT, to answer your question. 147gr PDX1. Second choice is about the same, 147gr GD or XTP in same weight. Winter or summer ! I never change ammo with the seasons. I use the heavy for caliber in whatever i shoot, and go on year round. ;)



CM

fredj338
11-04-2011, 12:58
I think you are over thinking it IMO. Choose a quality JHP that is reliable & accurate, practice, the rest will sort itself out. Even the best JHP can & has clogged in a clothign barrier situation, regardless of testing. I don't sweat changing ammo in any caliber.

fastbolt
11-04-2011, 14:02
I also don't change ammunition with the weather.

We never changed issued ammunition at work for the seasons, either.

Granted, we carried a range of different 147gr JHP's over the years before changing to T-Series 127gr +P+ and then Golden Sabre (non-bonded 124gr +P when it became the state contract load.

Usually when I reach for a box of ammunition to load magazines for one of my 9's, I just grab whichever box is closest at hand, meaning it might be either the 124gr +P+ or the 127gr +P+. (I just try to make sure all the magazines for whichever gun is being carried are loaded with the same ammunition. ;) )

As long as the particular 9mm feeds & functions optimally with the ammunition, I pay more attention to the condition & maintenance of the gun itself, as well as my skillset.

Goodspeed(TPF)
11-04-2011, 14:28
I carry Corbons 115gr JHP all year round

Ditto. -Goodspeed :wavey:

JBP55
11-04-2011, 14:28
Same ammunition year round. Three good choices in 124+P are HST, Gold Dot and Ranger T. Whatever you choose make sure it is reliable in your gun.

Dave.1
11-04-2011, 15:05
I like Hornady Critical Defense but when I can't get it Remington Golden Saber. I use it year round.

Here are some Hornady thru a 3 1/2" barrel, 1 layer of denim and about 8" of wet phone books. I would have shot more but was I thought this was a good enough test.

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g466/darock2/HCD102411web.jpg

Dave

RMD
11-04-2011, 15:20
124+P Gold Dots year 'round. The NYPD doesn't switch come winter.

This.

packinaglock
11-04-2011, 17:55
124+P Gold Dots year 'round. The NYPD doesn't switch come winter.

Exactly!

coleslaw
11-04-2011, 19:21
Thanks guys for all the advice. I CAN NOT find HST's anywhere. The Hornady's with the orange ball in the HP are very impressive from the videos I've seen. I think I'll stick with Corbon 115 grain and either Ranger 127 +p+ or Hornady for winter.

cowboy1964
11-04-2011, 20:33
For some reason HSTs in 9mm and .45 seem harder to find than .40. Kyle's Gun Shop usually has a good selection. There are a few others that are occasionally mentioned here too.

cadillacguns
11-05-2011, 06:12
I was lucky enough this week to attend an ammunition testing seminar put on by ATK (Federal/Speer) representatives. Lesson #1 was one round each, 147 gr Federal 9.mm HST, 180 gr .40 HST, and 230 gr .45 Auto HST. These were fired into 16 inch blocks of ordenance gelatin covered by 4 layers of denim cloth. The 147 gr .9mm and the 180 gr .40 were almost identicaly tied in wound chanel ballistics, depth/penetration.

Extracted bullets mushroomed as designed, and kept their respective weights.

Difference is about 33 gr of bullet weight, and less preceived recoil , you had to look close to see which round was which. Very impressive and I carry the Speer GDHP 124 gr in my 9mms.

cowboy1964
11-05-2011, 14:27
ATK makes great stuff, for sure. I also like the decent amount of info on their web site.

Darkangel1846
11-05-2011, 15:09
A lot of the local LEOs have switched out to critical defense

Tiro Fijo
11-05-2011, 18:13
...I CAN NOT find HST's anywhere...


http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php/cName/9mm-hollow-point-ammo

hotpig
11-05-2011, 18:18
For some reason HSTs in 9mm and .45 seem harder to find than .40. Kyle's Gun Shop usually has a good selection. There are a few others that are occasionally mentioned here too.Less demand for 40 than there is for 9 or 45. I ship more 9 and 45 HST a day than I do 40 in a week.

FLglockdude
11-05-2011, 18:20
I would go with gold dot or HST in 124+P or 147gr. If they will reliably expand through four layers of denim they shouldn't have any problems with what people usually wear.

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tsmo1066
11-05-2011, 19:04
124+P Gold Dots year 'round. The NYPD doesn't switch come winter.

This!

NYPD does plenty of shooting in cold weather, and their officers not only use, but generally like the GD 124+P.

Very long and very good track record in all weather conditions.

SickShot
11-05-2011, 21:37
Ditto. -Goodspeed :wavey:

+1:wavey:

CorBon DPX-115grs

mastrbloata
11-10-2011, 15:06
Less demand for 40 than there is for 9 or 45. I ship more 9 and 45 HST a day than I do 40 in a week. Hotpig, any idea why that may be? I'm just being curious.

NG VI
11-10-2011, 18:37
Probably because .40 is about the best (objectively, from a terminal performance stand) service auto caliber. You almost can't go wrong with any of the duty/defense oriented .40 loads, all of them are fast enough to expand at least decently, even with an older/less effective HP design, about all of them are heavy enough to get good enough penetration, barring crazy extreme expansion or fragmentation.

9mm is a great caliber, and so is .45, but some of the less current JHPs aren't quite as consistent as the .40s are. Older JHPs are more likely to fall into the classification of either light for caliber, fast for caliber, and shallow penetrator, or heavy for caliber, slow for caliber, adequate or better penetrator but unreliable expander.

I believe all four of the common service calibers are functionally identical, but to get a load that works consistently and gives up as little as possible in terminal performance, the .40 is the one that takes the least careful shopping. The trade-off of course is a little lower capacity and higher recoil than an equivalent make 9mm.

And with the current graduating class of duty JHPs, the small differences between calibers have pretty much disappeared.

That's my wild ass guess anyway.

Little Joe
11-10-2011, 21:47
The first post in this link John Farnam reports testing of Corbon DPX, against a heavy leather jacket and denim. He said that combination frustrated most hollow-point bullets. DPX in all calibers passed with flying colors. You can read his account in this link.

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-203800.html

Little Joe
11-10-2011, 21:50
Farnam said even the Cor-Bon Powerball did not fare well in the leather denim test.

cowboy1964
11-10-2011, 21:53
The first post in this link John Farnam reports testing of Corbon DPX, against a heavy leather jacket and denim. He said that combination frustrated most hollow-point bullets. DPX in all calibers passed with flying colors. You can read his account in this link.

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-203800.html

For crying out loud, so many people complain that 4 layers of denim is an unrealistic test, this guy added leather ON TOP of 4 layers?? :upeyes:

NG VI
11-10-2011, 21:57
Cowboy- Sometimes people need protection, even during a Canadian wedding in February.

Little Joe
11-10-2011, 21:59
For crying out loud, so many people complain that 4 layers of denim is an unrealistic test, this guy added leather ON TOP of 4 layers?? :upeyes:

Yes, and it worked like a champ. :supergrin:

cadillacguns
11-12-2011, 06:32
I physicaly whitnessed a FBI protocal ballistics test recently, where a Federal 147 Gr 9mm HST and a 180 Gr .40 HST round were fired into ordnance gelatin, and the penetration, wound cavity, and bullet performance were almost identical, or simply to close to call. Hmmmmm, 147 Gr 9.mm in a Glock system........more rounds, less perceived recoil than the .40, bullet mushroomed out perfectly, penetrated about the same, and when held next to the 180 Gr .40 fired first looked like its twin?

Reason enough for me to get some for winter carry? YES

Reason to switch from a .40 to a .9 mm system? NO

Reason to change over from my year round 124 Gr (+)P .9mm? Nah

But an educational experience none the less.

JBP55
11-12-2011, 07:12
Why is the FBI testing Federal ammunition now?
They switched to Winchester last year.

Tiro Fijo
11-12-2011, 11:09
Why is the FBI testing Federal ammunition now?
They switched to Winchester last year.


Hey, they have to justify their budget. :whistling: You don't think that they could merely require that agents shoot well in this age of Affirmative Action, quotas & political correctness did you?


:rofl:

Warp
11-12-2011, 11:58
I don't worry much about the season, even when I travel north around the holidays. Right now I have 124+P Gold Dot in both of my 9s.

JBP55
11-12-2011, 12:43
I don't worry much about the season, even when I travel north around the holidays. Right now I have 124+P Gold Dot in both of my 9s.

This..

Sharky7
11-12-2011, 13:12
I use Federal HST 147 grain year round. Great round...

Xenogy
11-17-2011, 05:26
Nothing wrong with keeping 124gr in the winter time. If anything you still get good expansion and another 1-2" of penetration.

Andy W
11-19-2011, 22:02
I think anything that passes the FBI ballistic tests will be just fine. Heavy clothing is already figured into the test. If you normally carry a 124 grain bullet , theres no need to switch to a 147 grain for winter. You don't gain any advantage by doing so. Usually a 124 grain bullet will penetrate deeper when fired through heavy cloth or denim because the denim plug doesn't allow them to expand as large. 147 grain bullets do the same thing except they generally don't expand as large to begin with. The Federal HST is an exception. Somehow the 147 grain one expands just as large or even larger than the 124+p. So, any round meeting FBI standards should do just fine in winter.

LawScholar
11-19-2011, 22:15
I carry 180-grain Federal HST in .40 as I prefer heavy bullets. However, when I get a 9x19, I'll carry 124-grain +p Speer Gold Dot.

The commonality? EVERYONE agrees these two rounds work, either scientifically or anecdotally.

TWS G26
11-22-2011, 20:11
147 gr HST year round. Keeping the same EDC ammo helps in practicing with that ammo, plus the target-grade stuff that gives me the same "feel". Consistency leads to muscle memory, leading to accuracy including with quick follow-up shots.

Tiro Fijo
11-22-2011, 22:22
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unit1069
11-23-2011, 05:28
147 gr HST year round. Keeping the same EDC ammo helps in practicing with that ammo, plus the target-grade stuff that gives me the same "feel". Consistency leads to muscle memory, leading to accuracy including with quick follow-up shots.

Yes, that's why I'm seriously thinking of purchasing a boatload of Federal 9BPLE. At $20/box of 50 it's only a bit more expensive to practice with the same JHP self-defense ammo I'll be carrying than practicing with cheap FMJ range ammo and carrying the JHP rounds.