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OXCOPS
11-10-2011, 17:06
First, I am posting this here because I am looking for a duty-fit shooter. I am not in the game anymore, but I am looking at stuff that has been field tested. I know cops are hard on gear. :whistling: I don't want alot of bells, whistles and toaster ovens. I already got that when I met ticket quotas.

Over my years on the streets, I carried mostly Sigs with a brief relationship with Glock. Glocks aren't my favorites. The gun I will take to my grave is my Sig 226DAK in .357SIG. I have also owned Sig 220, 229, 226ST and 239. Add in a G26, G19, G31, G30 and G23. That said, I am looking for something else using the following loose requirements:

- Small to medium size
- 9mm or .45 (Already have access to a G21, so that is out)
- NS preferred, but not required
- Money is limited, so keep it on the lower end of the spectrum.
- Used, but good condition, is also an option.
- Reliability is critical. When I pull the trigger, it better go bang.
- ETA: This gun is for all around. Some carry. Some range. Some house gun.

So, with those in mind, what are your suggestions in both 9mm and .45? :supergrin:

Free Radical
11-10-2011, 17:10
The question that begs is...why did you give up on .357 SIG?

Dragoon44
11-10-2011, 17:11
First, I am posting this here because I am looking for a duty-fit shooter. I am not in the game anymore, but I am looking at stuff that has been field tested. I know cops are hard on gear. :whistling: I don't want alot of bells, whistles and toaster ovens. I already got that when I met ticket quotas.

Over my years on the streets, I carried mostly Sigs with a brief relationship with Glock. Glocks aren't my favorites. The gun I will take to my grave is my Sig 226DAK in .357SIG. I have also owned Sig 220, 229, 226ST and 239. Add in a G26, G19, G31, G30 and G23. That said, I am looking for something else using the following loose requirements:

- Small to medium size
- 9mm or .45 (Already have access to a G21, so that is out)
- NS preferred, but not required
- Money is limited, so keep it on the lower end of the spectrum.
- Used, but good condition, is also an option.
- Reliability is critical. When I pull the trigger, it better go bang.
- ETA: This gun is for all around. Some carry. Some range. Some house gun.

So, with those in mind, what are your suggestions in both 9mm and .45? :supergrin:

You a gun ho',

:tongueout::wavey:

I like the Springfield XD9 comparable in size to a Glock 19.

OXCOPS
11-10-2011, 17:15
The question that begs is...why did you give up on .357 SIG?

I haven't given up on it. My 226DAK is chambered in it. Its a round that has served me well. I am just looking for variety.



You a gun ho',

:tongueout::wavey:

I like the Springfield XD9 comparable in size to a Glock 19.

Someone has to be. And I fully expected you to suggest a slingshot. :supergrin:

m2hmghb
11-10-2011, 17:24
What about a Sig P6? Another suggestion is a Browning HP clone or a CZ.

razdog76
11-10-2011, 17:24
Something based off of a CZ75. They come DA/SA, and SA. Options include being able to carry cocked and locked even with the DA/SA versions, or with a decocker.

The all steel design has been around for a while, and has been copied by other companies (IMI, Sphynx, Tanfoglio), is used as a race gun, and have a long track record of being reliable accurate guns.

Both 9mm and 45's are made in compact versions, and I know that CZ and EEA have .22lr conversions too.

If you want something 1911, the STI Spartan series pistols come in both 9mm and 45. No bells and whistles other than good sights, and STI parts inside for around $550 new.

Other than that, if you skip the 9mm/45 requirement, maybe a S&W 66 or 67 would fulfill the role.

razdog76
11-10-2011, 17:28
I haven't given up on it. My 226DAK is chambered in it. Its a round that has served me well. I am just looking for variety.





Someone has to be. And I fully expected you to suggest a slingshot. :supergrin:

You could always buy a conversion barrel for it.

Dragoon44
11-10-2011, 17:45
Someone has to be. And I fully expected you to suggest a slingshot. :supergrin:

I was going to but then I figured you would probably shoot your eye out with it.

:tongueout::supergrin:

Mayhem like Me
11-10-2011, 18:15
Look at the S&W M&P series in 45acp compact and 9mm midsized.

they fit the bill and are very tough, and not too large.

collim1
11-10-2011, 19:23
P229 or P239 if you want something in between compact and sub-compact.

Hard to imagine owning a P220 and giving it up.

OXCOPS
11-10-2011, 19:37
I was going to but then I figured you would probably shoot your eye out with it.

:tongueout::supergrin:

Lots of truth in that.

OXCOPS
11-10-2011, 19:38
P229 or P239 if you want something in between compact and sub-compact.

Hard to imagine owning a P220 and giving it up.

It was back when cash flow required I give one to get one.

Vigilant
11-10-2011, 20:45
http://www.budspolicesupply.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/2_21/products_id/143

Aftermarket night sights can be ordered. Good bang for the buck.

http://www.budspolicesupply.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/2_21/products_id/24

http://www.budspolicesupply.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/2_21/products_id/22

The second option works for me.

Cav
11-10-2011, 21:56
Colt Defender, Baby Eagle, Kahr, all have good 9MM & .45's that carry well and shoot well.

My main carry gun is a Colt New Agent in .45 (replaced a Par Ord Blackwatch LDA in .45), one of my other favorite carry guns is a Kahr MK9 98 Elite in 9MM. Most of my others are .380's.

PawDog
11-11-2011, 11:37
For me, my favorite current carry/HD pistol is the used police trade-in S&W 6906, 9mm. Holds 12 rounds, has tritium sights, and goes bang every time.

I really like the 3rd Gen Smiths, and own two the 6906 and a 4586, 45 ACP, which is a little to large for everyday CC for me.

Vigilant
11-11-2011, 11:56
I really like the 6906/6946. I prefer the 6946 in DAO, for uniform trigger pull, and perhaps less vulnerability to being accused of an AD/ND from single action mode. If money is a concern, this would be a great option, as would be the Kahr CW9 and single stack Gen 3 Smith nines.

txleapd
11-11-2011, 12:00
I like the Springfield XD9 comparable in size to a Glock 19.

This would be my suggestion too.

DaBigBR
11-11-2011, 12:08
.45: Glock 30SF. Seriously, you'll love it. Similar in size to a 19/23 and 10 rounds of .45 +1 capacity. I shoot mine better than my 21SF, plus you already have 13 round magazines to use with it.

9mm: M&P9, M&P9c, or Glock 19. All three are excellent firearms. Although the M&P9 is a bit larger than the 19, it's still very concealable.

You shouldn't have to spend more than $600 RETAIL on any of these guns, and likely should be closer to $500 with night sights with a little bit of looking.

Seriously check in to the 30SF.

jwhite75
11-11-2011, 12:33
www.summitgunbroker.com (http://www.summitgunbroker.com)

Pick what you like. I personally think the P229 SIG would be a great choice or a P239.

Vigilant
11-11-2011, 12:49
There is a Smith & Wesson 3953 on Gunbroker now. The high bid is about $315. I doubt that it will pull more than $350. It's about an inch longer than a Kahr P9, and 10 ounces heavier, but for belt carry, home defense, and the range, it would be a great find if cost is a factor. The 3913 in traditional double action is more common, and does not typically sell used for much more. Capacity is 8+1.

Patchman
11-11-2011, 17:56
To cover the "money is limited" requirement, how about a police trade-in of whatever flavor you favor.

IMHO, you can't go wrong with a police trade-in G19. Or purchase a used one from a cop (so you'll kind of know the gun's mileage and maintenance history) who's got the itch to switch.

BamaTrooper
11-11-2011, 22:50
What about a Sig P6? Another suggestion is a Browning HP clone or a CZ.

If you like the SIG, that p6/p225 is a nice gun and it carries great.

OXCOPS
11-11-2011, 23:14
Some good ideas here. While I like Sigs, I am thinking about broadening my horizons a little.

Who does alot of police trade ins these days?

verdugo60
11-11-2011, 23:37
Hard to beat the M&P. A lot of dudes are shooting their best match scores first time around with it. Reliability and simplicity of a Glock, with better ergonomics and it points like a 1911.

PawDog
11-12-2011, 07:08
Some good ideas here. While I like Sigs, I am thinking about broadening my horizons a little.

Who does alot of police trade ins these days?

Try CDNN, they currently show some great prices on several different pistols, including the SW 6906 and 5906.

http://www.cdnninvestments.com/

Bruce M
11-12-2011, 16:22
If you like the SIG, that p6/p225 is a nice gun and it carries great. Agreed and the P245 is similar in size but .45.

Some good ideas here. While I like Sigs, I am thinking about broadening my horizons a little.




I found a P245 that functioned fine but needed refinishing. I ended up with a good non-vanilla gun for not alot of money.

220327

kayl
11-12-2011, 16:28
Agreed and the P245 is similar in size but .45.




I found a P245 that functioned fine but needed refinishing. I ended up with a good non-vanilla gun for not alot of money.

220327

That poor P245!!!!!

razdog76
11-12-2011, 19:28
I found a P245 that functioned fine but needed refinishing. I ended up with a good non-vanilla gun for not alot of money.

220327

What will Leonard think up next?:whistling:

If you are leaning towards a police trade in like the S&W 69XX series, My first pistol was the predecessor 669. I have had several other 3rd gen Smiths, and always had good luck with them. Truly hard to find a problem with the 45XX series guns except maybe too heavy.

The only feature I don't care for are slide mounted safety/decockers.

Still, I bought a CZ SP-01 and had to sell it. I sure wish I still had it.

RetailNinja
11-12-2011, 21:31
The three things I never limit money on

Organic food, TP/wipeys, and Guns. No man should.

OXCOPS
11-12-2011, 22:52
Try CDNN, they currently show some great prices on several different pistols, including the SW 6906 and 5906.

http://www.cdnninvestments.com/

What's the trigger pull on these? When I first started in LE back in the late 1990's, my agency carried 4586s. They weighed a ton and had a seriously heavy trigger pull from the factory. I liked the feel of the gun, but man, it was a beast.

PawDog
11-13-2011, 09:50
What's the trigger pull on these? When I first started in LE back in the late 1990's, my agency carried 4586s. They weighed a ton and had a seriously heavy trigger pull from the factory. I liked the feel of the gun, but man, it was a beast.

Mine is smooth, as a guess, 3 - 4 lbs? Comparable to my M&P .40. I have a 4586, but have only fired 50 rounds or so through it, but had no issues with the trigger as it's "well used" before I bought it. The 6906 is much smaller in size and weight, and close to the size of a G19.

OXCOPS
11-13-2011, 11:01
Mine is smooth, as a guess, 3 - 4 lbs? Comparable to my M&P .40. I have a 4586, but have only fired 50 rounds or so through it, but had no issues with the trigger as it's "well used" before I bought it. The 6906 is much smaller in size and weight, and close to the size of a G19.

Really? Those damn 4586s needed a winch to pull them back.

bug
11-13-2011, 17:36
I have a XDm 9mm compact that seems to like abuse I have over 2000 rounds through mine and it has been flawless.

Right now if you buy it you get a total Of 5 mags, and mine is very accurate.

I took a class with mine on a very rainy muddy weekend, when i got home I sat down to clean it and found rocks inside of it and it never stopped working. I think I still have pic on my phone.

take that for what its worth, not much i know.

The week points are the striker retaining roll pin. lots of dry firing could cause this to break, and the spring cup that fits around the cocking indicator can break if gun is disassembled wrong

if you are used to the glock trigger reset like me this will take some getting use too.

20 rounds on tap for the house or duty, or 13 for CCW

I think they make a 45 now too but I have not tried it.

OXCOPS
11-13-2011, 20:26
Speaking of the XD series, has anyone had any issues with the grip safety being uncomfortable, or bothersome?

m2hmghb
11-14-2011, 01:35
Not a one Ox, it's less intrusive then the 1911 grip safety.

EMTCOP
11-14-2011, 03:21
I have a Walther PPQ, and I LOVE it!!! It's about the same size as the Glock 19 and has incredible ergonomics. It holds 15 9mm rounds, but I hear it is available in .40.....

NMPOPS
11-14-2011, 03:49
Since you like Sigs, get a P229 or 228 in 9mm.

Sent from my Ally

TheJ
11-14-2011, 04:14
I have a XDm 9mm compact
I was going to suggest the XDM 9 as well..
I have a Walther PPQ, and I LOVE it!!! It's about the same size as the Glock 19 and has incredible ergonomics. It holds 15 9mm rounds, but I hear it is available in .40.....

This was going to be my other suggestion. . The PPQ is seriously nice and definitely worthy of a try.

TLHelmer
11-14-2011, 06:32
You a gun ho',

:tongueout::wavey:

I like the Springfield XD9 comparable in size to a Glock 19.

Now that is funny, but I am a gun Ho' too!

TLHelmer
11-14-2011, 06:37
On another note, I am hearing a lot of good things about the Ruger LC9.

CJStudent
11-14-2011, 07:46
I haven't given up on it. My 226DAK is chambered in it. Its a round that has served me well. I am just looking for variety.





Someone has to be. And I fully expected you to suggest a slingshot. :supergrin:

Why get something new? I just picked up a P226 DAK in .40, but I'm looking for a .357 barrel for it. Love it so far.

jwhite75
11-14-2011, 09:56
Try looking up Kieslers police supply and Markl Supply. Tey both do a lot of poice trades as does Summit Gunbroker.

steveksux
11-14-2011, 11:17
Agreed and the P245 is similar in size but .45.




I found a P245 that functioned fine but needed refinishing. I ended up with a good non-vanilla gun for not alot of money.

220327
With that striped pattern it ought to camouflage well.. :whistling:

Randy

DaBigBR
11-14-2011, 17:57
Speaking of the XD series, has anyone had any issues with the grip safety being uncomfortable, or bothersome?

I do not like that the grip safety on the XD must be depressed to rack the slide. I see it as a potential problem when clearing malfunctions under "less than optimal" conditions, however I am not aware of any time that this has ever been a problem for anybody, and I have experienced no issues with my XD9.

OXCOPS
11-14-2011, 22:20
The more I look over options, the more I start to like the S&W 6906. Its got the alloy frame, so it is lighter than the 4586 I was used to, appears to be very reliable and not too expensive. Any reason not to?

smith10
11-14-2011, 22:35
Great little 9mm the 6906.

3Speedyfish3
11-14-2011, 22:48
Recently picked up a 6904 at the LGS. We carried the 6906 in the '90's. I shot the 6904 at SWAT training and cleaned some targets for the FNG's. Felt great in the hand (not to diss our 226's). I have a bunch of hi-cap mags but got rid of a bunch of holsters over the years!

PawDog
11-15-2011, 07:15
The more I look over options, the more I start to like the S&W 6906. Its got the alloy frame, so it is lighter than the 4586 I was used to, appears to be very reliable and not too expensive. Any reason not to?

OX, I found this company's ad in the Shotgun News,

http://www.birminghampistol.com/page/3/

Good prices on used 5904, 5906, 6906, models, and decent prices on used Sigs also. Can't vouch for the company as I've never bought from them, but their prices are pretty good. :cool:

OXCOPS
11-15-2011, 23:15
Never an Alabama State Trooper around when you need one.

BamaTrooper
11-16-2011, 07:02
Never an Alabama State Trooper around when you need one.

Vouch for the company or the gun?
We carried 5906s for about the first year of my career and then switched to Glocks.

As for the company, I think the send some guns and a rep down to the Mobile area gunshows but I haven't bought anything from them yet. Interested in one of their Galils, though.

If you go with Smith, try that little 39## job, whichever trigger you like; it was easier to conceal than the 225 and if you go DAO, the trigger was more than decent.

nitesite10mm
11-16-2011, 17:27
Speaking of the XD series, has anyone had any issues with the grip safety being uncomfortable, or bothersome?

I promise you, it will go totally unnoticed. But for re-holstering it can be a godsend when wearing plainclothes and having a "less than ideal" holster opening within which something can get caught and engage the trigger..

That said, and if you are willing to go about mid fives, I would respectfully suggest a CZ-85 Combat. Among the 9mm gamut of 1911s, polymer guns, striker vs. hammer guns, DA/SA SIGs, etc etc etc....

There is perhaps no finer steel 9mm than a CZ-85 Combat and I'm including the BHP when I say that......

http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-85-combat/

OXCOPS
11-16-2011, 22:04
Vouch for the company or the gun?
We carried 5906s for about the first year of my career and then switched to Glocks.

As for the company, I think the send some guns and a rep down to the Mobile area gunshows but I haven't bought anything from them yet. Interested in one of their Galils, though.

If you go with Smith, try that little 39## job, whichever trigger you like; it was easier to conceal than the 225 and if you go DAO, the trigger was more than decent.

Always showing up just in time to file a report. :tongueout: Thanks! Reason I asked was cause, as you know, I'm from your neighbor state to the left. I have heard of alot of the big name places in the area.

OXCOPS
11-20-2011, 19:45
After looking around, and feeling a couple of options, I decided to go with a Smith 6906. Now to find an FFL.....

mikegun
11-20-2011, 21:01
Buy another Glock 26, they always work....

razdog76
11-20-2011, 21:05
After looking around, and feeling a couple of options, I decided to go with a Smith 6906. Now to find an FFL.....

There sure are a lot of distributors with them for under $350 right now.