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DaBigBR
11-14-2011, 16:45
I picked up a used 870P at a gun show yesterday. The finish, particularly on the barrel, has something of a sparkly quality to it. I do not recall seeing this in previous 870Ps that I have handled, but our cheap ass department has expresses in the cars, so I don't have anything to compare it to. I have not heard back from Remington on the "born on" date, but it is old enough to still have the metal trigger guard (that's supposedly gone on 870Ps produced now) and has synthetic (speed feed) furniture.

Any thoughts?

Glockdude1
11-14-2011, 16:50
Any thoughts?

Yes, a pic or 2 would help.

:supergrin:

Vigilant
11-14-2011, 16:56
It has probably not been soaked well with oil. You probably know, the Park'ing just holds the oil to the metal.

I would spray the whole thing with break Free CLP, and then see what you think. Or send it to me. :supergrin:

collim1
11-14-2011, 17:03
Mine is several years old (prolly made in 2003 or 2004) and has a little sparkle when held at the right angle to the light. My only complaint is that it is so rough it shreds a cloth when I try to wipe it down.

It will also soak up a gallon of remoil and beg for more.

JBaird22
11-14-2011, 18:54
Yeah, its parking that makes it sparkle. Soak it in oil but not a teflon based product because if you ever want to paint or coat it with something, it will have to be entirely stripped to bare metal.

indigent
11-14-2011, 21:17
It's blatantly obvious...................


You got the stripper model.

car541
11-14-2011, 21:24
It's blatantly obvious...................


You got the stripper model.

Well done.......



Yes, it's parkerized. The express guns are blasted and blued

m2hmghb
11-14-2011, 21:58
You can try using boiled linseed oil on it, some people prefer that over regular oil. Parkerizing is an acid etching process that also deposits metal onto the object which gives it the rough texture. It basically increases the surface area for oil to soak into, that's what makes it preferred for paints.

blueiron
11-14-2011, 22:49
Don't put linseed oil on metal parts. It will not lubricate anything, only gum up moving parts and create a mess when the oil heats up from firing or temperature.

Remington uses blueing and Parkerizing in their current 870 Police Magnum line up. They also still use metal trigger guards and their police shotguns are built on a special assembly line with more stringent standards. Speedfeed is an option.

http://www.remingtonle.com/shotguns/shotguns.htm

EMTCOP
11-14-2011, 23:35
I have an 870P that has a really rough texture on it...kinda like truck bed liner, and it is a little sparkly. I was told that a gun shop in Orange Park,
Florida, did the finish. It is a bit odd, but has held up great. I keep it in my truck where it gets beaten around quite a bit.

Is your finish like that?

DaBigBR
11-15-2011, 08:04
Have to admit I feel like a bit of a novice here. Soaking in oil did help quite a bit, and I'm probably going to go back, wipe it down, and apply some more until it stops soaking, since I don't know the history of the gun.

SCSU74
11-15-2011, 10:49
I picked up a used 870P at a gun show yesterday. The finish, particularly on the barrel, has something of a sparkly quality to it. I do not recall seeing this in previous 870Ps that I have handled, but our cheap ass department has expresses in the cars, so I don't have anything to compare it to. I have not heard back from Remington on the "born on" date, but it is old enough to still have the metal trigger guard (that's supposedly gone on 870Ps produced now) and has synthetic (speed feed) furniture.

Any thoughts?

i would send member aippi a message he is a shotgun guru and works exclusively with remington shotty's. he helped me a ton with mine. his website is aiptactical.com and is very quick responding to emails. FWIW the only difference's b/t the police and express are a few springs and the finish, wouldn't really knock the express

m2hmghb
11-15-2011, 10:58
Don't put linseed oil on metal parts. It will not lubricate anything, only gum up moving parts and create a mess when the oil heats up from firing or temperature.

Remington uses blueing and Parkerizing in their current 870 Police Magnum line up. They also still use metal trigger guards and their police shotguns are built on a special assembly line with more stringent standards. Speedfeed is an option.

http://www.remingtonle.com/shotguns/shotguns.htm


It's not uncommon to use linseed as the curing oil after the firearm has been reparkerizied. It's cheap and easy to use. I did NOT say to use it on moving parts, it will gum them up as you said. It wasn't uncommon for our GIs to use linseed or tung oil on the stock or the metal in the world wars to protect the finish. Some weapons specialists hypothesize that is thy the Greek M1 Garands have such a heavy green tint on them, from the BLO. You are correct that if you overload the finish with BLO it will sweat, however if you use a little it wont, and if you bake it in it really won't.

DaBigBR
11-15-2011, 11:21
i would send member aippi a message he is a shotgun guru and works exclusively with remington shotty's. he helped me a ton with mine. his website is aiptactical.com and is very quick responding to emails. FWIW the only difference's b/t the police and express are a few springs and the finish, wouldn't really knock the express

There are more differences between the police and express than the finish and a few springs. The biggest difference is the level of quality control in a police over other models.

We have had our 870 Express Mags for about five years. We have broken multiple extractors, a couple of stocks, and other small parts through what I would call relatively light usage. The finish is the absolute worst part of them. They rust like nobody's business and I spent at least an hour every time I clean them scrubbing the surface rust off and re-oiling them.

Do they make an acceptable hunting gun, trap gun, range gun? Sure. Are they anywhere near ideal to ride around in a police car? Nope.

razdog76
11-15-2011, 11:44
I wipe my issued 870, and all of my hunting guns down with CLP, and then buff them with RIG grease.

RIG is similar to a paste wax, but really works well to keep them corrosion free, and stays put.

blueiron
11-15-2011, 12:42
It's not uncommon to use linseed as the curing oil after the firearm has been reparkerizied. It's cheap and easy to use. I did NOT say to use it on moving parts, it will gum them up as you said. It wasn't uncommon for our GIs to use linseed or tung oil on the stock or the metal in the world wars to protect the finish. Some weapons specialists hypothesize that is thy the Greek M1 Garands have such a heavy green tint on them, from the BLO. You are correct that if you overload the finish with BLO it will sweat, however if you use a little it wont, and if you bake it in it really won't.

We both know this, but...

There are novices and non-gun people who will read a sentence and think that linseed oil is an all around lube. We had a number of them at work and I suspect every agency with more than one employee has them.

I use linseed oil to finish period arms, but I am not a fan of it. It sweats, it is messy, and it is a fire hazard afterwards. Tung oil works as well and isn't quite the hazard.

collim1
11-15-2011, 18:06
I wipe my issued 870, and all of my hunting guns down with CLP, and then buff them with RIG grease.

RIG is similar to a paste wax, but really works well to keep them corrosion free, and stays put.

Its a pain to do, but Hoppes gun grease rubbed into the parkerized finish with a finger will protect the gun for at least a year.

My 870P is bad about surface rust. It will turn a rag brown just from a simple rub down every time I wipe it down.

SCSU74
11-17-2011, 09:58
There are more differences between the police and express than the finish and a few springs. The biggest difference is the level of quality control in a police over other models.


they are made in the same room with a fence separating them, there are 2 springs and the extractor that are different and the P is parkerized that's it.

i completely agree with you on the finish being terrible, i had mine cerakoted. Also changed the stock out for a speedfeed iv-s.

heres a link to one of the many express v P threads:
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1370786