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stashu
11-20-2011, 06:25
I know this has been beaten to death but, for a Glock 26 short barrel which is better for SD 115 gr or 124 grain regular or +P?

Average SD range 6-10 ft????

I have planned on getting some Black Hills ammo 115gr EXP ammo. Price is great at 33.00 for 50 rounds vs. others

Black Hills 9mm choices

115 Gr. EXP (Extra Power) HP
Velocity 1150 FPS
Energy 363 Ft. Lbs.

124 Gr. Jacketed Hollow Point
Velocity 1150 FPS
Engergy 363 Ft. Lbs.


124 Gr. Jacketed Hollow Point +P
Velocity 1250 FPS
Energy 430 Ft. Lbs.

Looks like the 124gr +P has the most KICK but is it controllable w/follow ups shots as compared to the others?


Thanks!!

Stashu

ChuteTheMall
11-20-2011, 06:38
IMHO, at those close ranges, there isn't enough difference to worry about.

But a heavier bullet with a higher velocity gives you more of everything, so I'd pick the 124g +P of those choices, if all other factors being equal.

K.Kiser
11-20-2011, 06:42
I don't think it will make a discerable difference, but I when undecided on bullet weight I tend to go to the heavier option in the situation where maybe a little bit more penetration might be needed but this is thoeretical and splitting hairs that may not really be there.. As long as both will feed well in you pistol (I'm sure they will) and they reach their intended location, the odds will weight heavily in your favor with either one...

Lindenwood
11-20-2011, 08:01
I don't really mess with small guns ( ;-) ), so I haven't done too much research into terminal ballistics with them. So, while I will almost always recommend 147gr options, the velocity reduction will likely limit expansion so much. Thus, the 124gr+P will probably be your best option. In general, 115s perform the worst of the 9mm options using modern ammo. They were only originally popular because they were the only ones that could be pushed fast enough for reliable expansion. With modern bullet technology (thanks to computer modeling, more stringent testing, and minimum penetration requirements), bullets will essentially always expand unless plugged up with something like wood or drywall. And, at least from standard-length barrels, you can get almost the same expansion from a heavier bullet, but more penetration. I prefer to err on the side of caution and go with greater penetration, so I actually load 147gr bullets with limited expansion (XTPs typically don't go larger than .6", and often stay smaller, but penetrate to a good 16-18").

9mm

Barnes XPB 115gr HP (35515) loaded by Cor-Bon (DPX09115)
Winchester Partition Gold 124gr JHP (RA91P)
Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
Winchester Ranger-T 127gr JHP +P+ (RA9TA)
Winchester Ranger-T 147gr JHP (RA9T)
Winchester Bonded 147gr JHP (RA9B/Q4364)
Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP +P (53617)
Speer Gold Dot 147gr JHP (53619)
Remington Golden Saber 147gr JHP (GS9MMC)
Federal Tactical 124gr JHP (LE9T1)
Federal Tactical 135gr JHP +P (LE9T5)
Federal HST 147gr JHP (P9HST2)
You might notice that the list does NOT include any lightweight bullets with the exception of the Barnes 115gr version. The reason - especially if you've read the beginning of this article - should be clear already, but Doctor Roberts sums it up nicely as well: "With the exception of the Barnes 115 gr XPB all copper projectile, in general, most 9 mm 115 gr loads have demonstrated greater inconsistency, insufficient penetration, poor intermediate barrier capability, and failure to expand in denim testing than other 9mm bullets. For those individuals wanting to use lighter weight, supersonic 9 mmís, I think a better alternative than the vast majority of 115 gr loads is to use the slightly heavier 124 to 127 gr bullets or the Barnes 115 gr all copper bullet"

legion3
11-20-2011, 08:06
With the exception of the corbon DPX (which is the barnes bullet mentioned by Linderwood) 115 Grain, I prefer the 124 - 127 range ammo, with some 147 choices as well.

The DPX is a light bullet that acts like a heavy bullet. But it is costly.

I like the Ranger 127 +P+ but that's me. So the 124 offerings would be my choice. For practice too. The only 124 that lets me come close to the ranger 127 is Nato or European loaded 124 so I practice with that, but again that's me.

j-glock22
11-20-2011, 08:27
The 26's barrel is marely a 1/2 inch shorter than the 19, a 124gr +p is a sufficient and fine choice. The kick is pretty much the same. I shot 124gr +p golddots thru the 26 and it feels good...

At the distance range you are asking about, any 115 or 124 should be a good choice for you...

Beretta92guy
11-20-2011, 08:43
all the above mentioned are good loads....

just for the record, i load my CCW piece, Glock 26 with the Federal "Border Patrol" load....115 grain +p+.......this load was developed for the Indiana State Police and the US Border patrol years ago and has an excellent record for putting down bad-guys.....

SGAMMO.COM is where i got them for about twenty bucks a box...great company and fast shipping..

NMGlock79
11-20-2011, 08:59
Dont overthink it, get a 124 grain +p load, fire off a box to make sure your gun likes it and call it a day. I use speer gold dot 124g +p, and remington golden saber 124g +p as my usual go to loads, all things being equal, I think those rounds are both great and equal to each other.

147 grain bullets are cool, so are 115g ones, but for everyday go to rounds, Those first two mentioned are my pics.

For my job, we are aloud to select our ammo, almost all the guys use one of those two rounds, never had an issue.

Redstate
11-20-2011, 09:33
I'm not saying it is the best (or for that matter that it isn't); however, I have been partial to Speer GD 124+p out of my G26 for years.

Ahmid
11-20-2011, 09:41
At that range any one of the cartridges you mentioned would be good. My own preference is a 147 grain hollow point. I seem to shoot the 147 the best...

Lindenwood
11-20-2011, 09:59
Out of curiosity, how have we determined that they all perform the same at short ranges? It isn't like 147gr loads are for 50 yards only. They are all designed for close SD ranges. The 124 and 147gr loads just perform more consistently.

If I'm defending myself from a 300lb guy turning his torso to the side to take a swing at me with a chain, I want to make sure my bullets can make it through through his 6"-thick bicep, and 8" of muscle / fat / ribs in his torso, and still punch a hole through his heart / aorta. Few 115gr bullets are designed do that. In fact, most loads designed for 12" of penetration in mind won't do that. This is why I'd never recommend bullets that don't consistently penetrate to at least 14-15" in gel / flesh. Though again, the 147gr XTPs seem to do 16"+ pretty consistently.

Again, I prefer and recommend erring on the side of caution with more penetration. A bullet that doesn't make it to the vitals is as physiologically effective, in the short term, as a punch to the face. They might submit and fall down from the pain / fair / surprise, but they might keep coming until they bleed out 5 minutes later.

redbrd
11-20-2011, 10:31
I prefer the heavier 124gr, but not sure it matters. I started using the heavier bullet weight as result of poor performance on steel (reactive targets). It didn't matter so I reverted back to .45 for that.

HGxyz
11-20-2011, 10:57
Won't add to never ending discusion of what's the better or best round, but $33/50 is not a great price, if that is a concern. You can get good hollow point ammo for half that (and therefore practice with it twice as much).

Doc8404
11-20-2011, 11:07
124+P in my opinion. I use Remington Golden Sabers....appear to be even better than their HD version.

C0untZer0
11-20-2011, 11:20
Most of the 147gr offerings out there are better than either the 115 or 124 in terms of penetration and expansion.

If you look at Winchester's Ranger T line for instance, the RA8124TP - 9mm +P, 124GR @ 1180 fps penetrates to around 12.2" and expands to .70"

The RA9T 9mm, 147gr @ 990fps penetrates to around 13.9" and expands to .65".

That extra inch of penetration may not matter, or it may be the difference in reaching vital tissue on a cross shot. The .05" of expansion probably will not make a difference in knicking some vital blood vessel...

But anyway... the comparisions are similar for most FMJ in 147 v 124 whether you're looking at HST, Golden Sabre or whatever.

I know the Federal 115gr 9BPLE built a reputation with the Illinois State Police as being a man-stopper. In tests it penetrates to around 12.5" and expanded to .68"

I just think the quality 147gr rounds are slightly better.

The DPX - as mentioned, is a different kind of round.

JBP55
11-20-2011, 11:28
These three 124+P HST, Gold Dot, Ranger T are good choices in any 9mm Glock.

RMD
11-20-2011, 12:14
...Price is great at 33.00 for 50 rounds vs. others...

I've found that most quality 9mm HP ammo is ~$30 for 50 + shipping.

BIG-DOG
11-20-2011, 12:32
Check out the Ranger 147gr ( RA9T) I did some expansion tests with water jugs and denim out of a 26, The expansion was excellent.

FLSlim
11-20-2011, 12:56
My preference is Rem Golden Sabers in 147 gr. That is because it is extremely accurate and reliable out of my G26, plus it has minimal muzzle flip allowing faster 2nd shots. IMO, the bottom line for you should be what shoots best and what do you have most confidence in with your SD weapon. It isn't cheap, but think about trying several different JHP weights/configurations and see what seems to work best for you.

IB Slingin
11-20-2011, 13:37
Speer Gold Dot 124 +P in my G26 for carry

Federal HST 147 in my G19 for home

Sonnytoo
11-20-2011, 17:18
124 and 147gr are more consistent and your gun will run more reliably with the heavier bullets. This came from "Ask the Expert" columns.
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tango44
11-20-2011, 17:29
I don't really mess with small guns ( ;-) ), so I haven't done too much research into terminal ballistics with them. So, while I will almost always recommend 147gr options, the velocity reduction will likely limit expansion so much. Thus, the 124gr+P will probably be your best option. In general, 115s perform the worst of the 9mm options using modern ammo. They were only originally popular because they were the only ones that could be pushed fast enough for reliable expansion. With modern bullet technology (thanks to computer modeling, more stringent testing, and minimum penetration requirements), bullets will essentially always expand unless plugged up with something like wood or drywall. And, at least from standard-length barrels, you can get almost the same expansion from a heavier bullet, but more penetration. I prefer to err on the side of caution and go with greater penetration, so I actually load 147gr bullets with limited expansion (XTPs typically don't go larger than .6", and often stay smaller, but penetrate to a good 16-18").

Great info, thanks for sharing!

TxGlock9
11-20-2011, 17:56
As it's been said 20 times already in this thread. 124gr +P is the way to go.

Lindenwood
11-20-2011, 20:29
As for cost of ammo, I load my own. I spend about $23 loading 100 rounds of defensive ammo (Hornady XTP bullets). Golden Sabers would push that to about $25 for 100, IIRC. Thus, I can keep even more round, and rotate it / function check it that much more often :) .

huggytree
11-20-2011, 20:34
ive found 115 grain to be much more accurate...when i shoot heavy bullets w/ my G19 its been horribly inaccurate

Roger G23
11-20-2011, 20:49
Go to SGAMMO.com for great selection quality ammo and great pricing.

easyg
11-21-2011, 10:43
I prefer 124g+P ammo for self defense.

Camu Mahubah
11-21-2011, 10:51
I read an article where all sorts of HP's were fired through the G26. The heavier 147gr stuff lost less velocity than when fired through the G17. So I would buy tons of HP's and have field day testing it all...also watch andreleger2001 on youtube...he test justs about every HP known to man in different calibers...those vids make me think a lot about what I carry...