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Steve Koski
11-21-2011, 10:43
OK, that's a misleading title. Here's a video I put together of shots from the IDPA world champioinship. I think everyone in here is shooting reloads.

I was one of maybe 4 people at the match shooting a .40 S&W. I shot pansy loads at 4.0 gr WST under a 180 JHP. They chrono'd at 145-147 PF.

Far and away the most popular bullet for SSP and ESP was a 147 grain jacketed. These sounded like primer loads, but made power factor. Watch the presence/non-presence of recoil around the 2:50, 3:00, and 3:30 marks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaZSEs7lBnw

F106 Fan
11-21-2011, 11:24
That looks like a whole lot of fun!

I am loading the 147 gr FMJ (and Berry's plated) and experimenting with an XD9 but ultimately I will be shooting a G34. We have a very nice range setup at Ione (CA).

Thanks for posting the link.

Richard

Steve Koski
11-21-2011, 12:24
F106 - What powder & how much are you using?

Thx,

Koski

F106 Fan
11-21-2011, 12:40
F106 - What powder & how much are you using?

Thx,

Koski

I have only loaded about 50 Montana Gold 147 gr CMJ with 3.2 gr Titegroup.
I haven't had a chance to get to the range - maybe tomorrow.

Richard

fredj338
11-21-2011, 14:33
Have to be handloads Koski, how else would one get to a 125PF-126PF w/ their 9mm or 40? Even for CDP, why shoot 195PF when all you need is 165-170PF?

Steve Koski
11-21-2011, 15:43
You could definitely tell those shooting factory 9mm from those shooting soft reloads. Much sharper/louder crack.

RustyFN
11-21-2011, 17:28
That was pretty cool Steve. It had to be a lot of fun watching and shooting with some of the big names that were there.

Zombie Steve
11-21-2011, 17:42
Wonder how much they had to pay Guns and Roses to play the match.

Steve Koski
11-21-2011, 17:48
Their fingers were sure tired after 6 days of non-stop performing.

noylj
11-22-2011, 00:05
F16 Fan:
Isn't Ione close to an area of white (asbestos) hills and a lot of old mercury mines?

El_Ron1
11-22-2011, 00:06
http://www.sci-fi-online.com/Features/03-01-24_DarkAngel2.jpg

jmorris
11-22-2011, 09:48
I doubt if 3.2 of titegroup will make it with a jacketed bullet but it will with berrys 147 @ 1.160"

Colorado4Wheel
11-22-2011, 10:19
Nice. Why was there a section when they didn't have a cover garment?

Those were really nice stages.

Steve Koski
11-22-2011, 11:32
Steve,

You only have to wear concealment if the COF description says so. Some matches are 70% (or even 100%) yes, other matches are 70% optional. You never know.

Koski

rpgman
11-22-2011, 12:43
That looks like a whole lot of fun!

I am loading the 147 gr FMJ (and Berry's plated) and experimenting with an XD9 but ultimately I will be shooting a G34. We have a very nice range setup at Ione (CA).

Thanks for posting the link.

Richard

I'm loading a 147gr but using Precision Delta bullets for 9mm
Greg

F106 Fan
11-22-2011, 18:49
F16 Fan:
Isn't Ione close to an area of white (asbestos) hills and a lot of old mercury mines?

I don't really know. We do pass by the Rancho Seco Nuclear Power Plant on the way in but it has been decomissioned and is now a recreational park.

The range is actually about 10 miles northwest of Ione.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ione,_California

The area looks like grazing land for cattle. There's not a lot of anything out there.

Now, down around Clear Creek (San Benito) we used to race dirt bikes and camp. It was well known for Mercury mines and every bit of the soil was asbestos containing. I just read that it is now closed. Bummer...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_Creek_(San_Benito_River)

Richard

F106 Fan
11-22-2011, 19:02
I have only loaded about 50 Montana Gold 147 gr CMJ with 3.2 gr Titegroup.
I haven't had a chance to get to the range - maybe tomorrow.

Richard

I had a chance to chronograph these today. I had an average velocity of 834 so the PF would be 122.6 out of a 4" barrel. A little slow. The ES was 40 fps and the SD was 12.1. Not a particularly consistent load - at least as I loaded them.

I think I can add 0.1 gr and see what happens. Hodgdon has the maximum load at 3.6 gr for a 147 GR. HDY XTP They also have an OAL of 1.100" and I loaded 1.150". Then again, I'm not using a Hornady XTP.

Richard

Boxerglocker
11-22-2011, 20:11
I had a chance to chronograph these today. I had an average velocity of 834 so the PF would be 122.6 out of a 4" barrel. A little slow. The ES was 40 fps and the SD was 12.1. Not a particularly consistent load - at least as I loaded them.

I think I can add 0.1 gr and see what happens. Hodgdon has the maximum load at 3.6 gr for a 147 GR. HDY XTP They also have an OAL of 1.100" and I loaded 1.150". Then again, I'm not using a Hornady XTP.

Richard

Those 147g will look like shotgun buck shot groups at 25 yards and worse at 50. Take a hint from Sevigny, his Atlanta Arms 147g loads averaged 940 fps (138 Pf) out of his G34. Do not try and hover just above minimum Pf with 147g weight bullets, accuracy will be crap. You'll need velocity to get those bullets to stabilize at any OAL.

F106 Fan
11-22-2011, 20:54
Those 147g will look like shotgun buck shot groups at 25 yards and worse at 50. Take a hint from Sevigny, his Atlanta Arms 147g loads averaged 940 fps (138 Pf) out of his G34. Do not try and hover just above minimum Pf with 147g weight bullets, accuracy will be crap. You'll need velocity to get those bullets to stabilize at any OAL.


It looks like something like 4.2 gr of WSF will get 940 FPS with a 147 gr FMJ. I'll try loading a couple of dozen and see how they work out. Weather permitting, I'll get to test them on Friday.

I don't have a 5" gun (yet!) so I may not get the same velocities.

Richard

alank2
11-22-2011, 21:02
Hi,

Great video; looks like a lot of fun! I loved the moving targets! I've got to try out IDPA sometime...

Thanks,

Alan

Boxerglocker
11-22-2011, 21:06
It looks like something like 4.2 gr of WSF will get 940 FPS with a 147 gr FMJ. I'll try loading a couple of dozen and see how they work out. Weather permitting, I'll get to test them on Friday.

I don't have a 5" gun (yet!) so I may not get the same velocities.

Richard

Target a minimum 130-132 Pf out of your 4 inch barrel, you'll be set for when you do get a 5 inch.

My 124g fmj load gets 1100fps (136 Pf) out of my G34 and 1050 (130 Pf) there bouts in my G19.

WiskyT
11-23-2011, 16:22
Those 147g will look like shotgun buck shot groups at 25 yards and worse at 50. Take a hint from Sevigny, his Atlanta Arms 147g loads averaged 940 fps (138 Pf) out of his G34. Do not try and hover just above minimum Pf with 147g weight bullets, accuracy will be crap. You'll need velocity to get those bullets to stabilize at any OAL.

The rate if twist for 9mm is much higher than it is for 38spl and 148's at 700fps have been very stable for a long time.

noylj
11-23-2011, 17:28
It shouldn't matter, but I find 140gn bullets are quite a bit more accurate than 147gn bullets in 9x19.
Of course, all the 140gn bullets where cast lead.
I don't know why, just for round numbers, they don't make 145gn or 150gn bullets.

Boxerglocker
11-23-2011, 18:07
The rate if twist for 9mm is much higher than it is for 38spl and 148's at 700fps have been very stable for a long time.

I'm not gonna dispute your statement WT.... other than I'm not aware of any 38 spl with hexagonal rifling as in a Glock. I've tested my own 147 fmj reloads at various PF's through my G34 and G19.... and G26. My conclusions have been what I stated earlier.... the sweet spot for accuracy with my G34 bench rested at 50 yards is definitely above 900 fps.

WiskyT
11-23-2011, 19:01
I'm not gonna dispute your statement WT.... other than I'm not aware of any 38 spl with hexagonal rifling as in a Glock. I've tested my own 147 fmj reloads at various PF's through my G34 and G19.... and G26. My conclusions have been what I stated earlier.... the sweet spot for accuracy with my G34 bench rested at 50 yards is definitely above 900 fps.

I don't doubt your results or discount your advice, but I don't think it's a matter of bullet stability.

Jim Watson
11-23-2011, 19:20
I don't know why, just for round numbers, they don't make 145gn or 150gn bullets.

What makes you think "they" don't?
Lower left at
http://www.laser-cast.com/9mm.html

The old Bull-X co. had a very nice 150 gr SWC. I don't know anybody casting it now, though.

Either the 147 gr bullets came about as a de novo development of a subsonic sniper elimination round for the military... or somebody was speaking French and a 9.5 gram bullet rounds to 147 grains.

BuckyP
11-23-2011, 20:55
I was one of maybe 4 people at the match shooting a .40 S&W. I shot pansy loads at 4.0 gr WST under a 180 JHP. They chrono'd at 145-147 PF.


Well, had I gone this year I would have been shooting a .40 as well. Of course, mine wouldn't be anywhere near as hot as yours (132pf). :cool:

Hoser
11-23-2011, 22:54
I know lots of PPC and Bianchi shooters that shoot 147s and are getting 5 shot groups around 2 inches at 50 yards.

I think the Border Patrol PPC shooters were shooting factory Federal 147gn ammo this year.

I shoot 124s at 1025-1050 fps. I like a little more snap in the recoil other wise I tend to get a bit of trigger lock.

PCJim
11-27-2011, 20:11
Great Video. Saw three members from our local club, TSSA, in the video.

Steve Koski
11-27-2011, 20:32
Sweet! You must be a floridian. Fluridite? However you say it.

Those guys made the match. Seriously.