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Electrikkoolaid
11-26-2011, 22:14
Have some money burning a hole in my pocket and want another shotgun.

Considering:

Maverick 88 ~ $200
Moss 500 ~ $300
Mos 590a1 ~ $500 (loaded up)

My heart lusts for the 590a1 (this one (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/55293) specifically), but my head tells me it isn't worth 2.5 times the cost of the Maverick for home defense use and blasting in the back yard.

Also considered the "Blackwater" edition, which is the same price.

Can anyone offer some guidance to help me decide to go high, low or middle cost?

WoodenPlank
11-26-2011, 22:19
Have some money burning a hole in my pocket and want another shotgun.

Considering:

Maverick 88 ~ $200
Moss 500 ~ $300
Mos 590a1 ~ $500 (loaded up)

My heart lusts for the 590a1 (this one (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/55293) specifically), but my head tells me it isn't worth 2.5 times the cost of the Maverick for home defense use and blasting in the back yard.

Also considered the "Blackwater" edition, which is the same price.

Can anyone offer some guidance to help me decide to go high, low or middle cost?

I have the standard 590 with the same stock, plus heat shield and bead sight. I love mine, and there's nothing wrong with a standard 500. Not sure about the Mavericks, though. For the money, I'd go with a 500 to keep the budget down.

Victoriagotagun
11-26-2011, 22:33
My heart lusts for the 590a1 (this one (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/55293) specifically),

Get it. You only live once.

officerjohnson
11-26-2011, 23:33
Have some money burning a hole in my pocket and want another shotgun.

Considering:

Maverick 88 ~ $200
Moss 500 ~ $300
Mos 590a1 ~ $500 (loaded up)

My heart lusts for the 590a1 (this one (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/55293) specifically), but my head tells me it isn't worth 2.5 times the cost of the Maverick for home defense use and blasting in the back yard.

Also considered the "Blackwater" edition, which is the same price.

Can anyone offer some guidance to help me decide to go high, low or middle cost?

The 590a1 is nice, there is more pride of ownership involved with it. I would personally get the 18.5 inch barrel, shorter LOP stock, GRS, 2 shot magazine extension.

The Maverick or the 500 will get the job done as well, and be lighter.

This Remington 870 is also a hell of a gun for $333 http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/37_64_991/products_id/95077

Electrikkoolaid
11-27-2011, 10:09
I'm kind of set on getting a Mossberg product, though the 870 has a great reputation.

Glock Holliday
11-27-2011, 11:29
Of the three models you mention, I'd go with the 590A1, mostly because it's easier to clean (and change the spring & follower) the inside of the magazine tube. Remember, when you buy the best you only cry once.

Ocean_glocker
11-27-2011, 18:20
The 590a1 is nice, there is more pride of ownership involved with it. I would personally get the 18.5 inch barrel, shorter LOP stock, GRS, 2 shot magazine extension.

The Maverick or the 500 will get the job done as well, and be lighter.

This Remington 870 is also a hell of a gun for $333 http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/37_64_991/products_id/95077

I have an 870 for skeet I'm in the same boat about getting another 870 or Mav 88 for HD...

If there's an Academy Sports and Outdoor you should check them out they are selling the 870 HD for $269 (http://www.academy.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_10051_299865_-1?N=39632025+4294955010+4294963078+4294965700) with an additional $30 man. rebate... an 870 for $239 aint bad...

pugman
11-27-2011, 18:27
I have an 870 for skeet I'm in the same boat about getting another 870 or Mav 88 for HD...

If there's an Academy Sports and Outdoor you should check them out they are selling the 870 HD for $269 (http://www.academy.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_10051_299865_-1?N=39632025+4294955010+4294963078+4294965700) with an additional $30 man. rebate... an 870 for $239 aint bad...

Why oh Why can't Academy open a store in Wisconsin....

Aceman
11-27-2011, 19:22
You really need to consider this:

#1 They ALL will work for the intended job (assuming HD)
#2 There is NO DENYING the superiority of the 590 construction
#3 The 88 is an excellent balance of ergos/controls - sort of the best of both worlds 500 vs 870
#4 The 500 is a great compromise in price performance between 590 and 88 - almost as strong as the 590 (which is close to indestructible) yet nearly as cheap as the 88

At the end of the it will be 2.5x for an indestructible combat proven gun, vs a gun that won't hold up being dragged through the mountains of Afghanistan, but will work perfectly for a corner of the bedroom and 15 rounds every few months. Or - there is the down the middle option if you are a price/perfamnce ratio kind of person and dig the Mossberg features.

For the record, i have a 500 7+1 Persuader with adjustable stock.

VinnieD
11-27-2011, 21:59
All are great shotguns if you ask me. I have the Maverick 88 but it doesn't stop me from wanting a 590.

The 500 and Maverick are practically the same gun, though the 88 only comes with polymer stock, has a polymer trigger guard, a crossbolt safety, and a harder to change forearm.

The 500 mainly has the advantage of a removable forearm, and/or wood furniture. They both use the same interchangeable barrels and stocks. The 500 uses a tang safety, so it mostly just boils down to personal preference between 500 and 88. I chose 88 myself based on a preference for crossbolt safety.

Fair warning that both kick like a donkey and a half.

The 590 by comparison is a bit more sturdy in construction using less polymer, a steel receiver instead of aluminum, and a heavier barrel. It trades off ease of barrel replacement in favor of a mag tube that accepts extensions. The heavier components help in taming a bit of the recoil of its little brothers.

I also wouldn't be too quick to rule out the 535 if you like magnum loads, and just hate your shoulder.

The whole 500 series shares the same basic receiver design that makes them such excellent and reliable guns, so whichever you pick you'll be happy with.

officerjohnson
11-27-2011, 22:15
The 590 by comparison is a bit more sturdy in construction using less polymer, a steel receiver instead of aluminum, .

The Mossberg 590 and 590a1 has an Aluminum reciever just like all the other Mossbergs.

mixflip
11-27-2011, 22:17
From a guy who owned all 3 mentioned. The 590A1 is built like a tank with everything pretty much thicker and more parts made of steel or aluminum per uncle sams request. When ammo runs out thicker gauge steel makes for a great blunt instrument/mele weapon. Is it needed? Nah but its cool and some times that is worth it.

For HD and plinking... I always post this pic. $150 used off www.backpage.com (http://www.backpage.com). I freakin love it!!!!!!!
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i182/mixflip/mossberg_500_old.jpg

Glock Holliday
11-28-2011, 04:00
That thing looks positively 'old school', mixflip.

bobcatseger
11-28-2011, 04:37
Go with the 500 series if you are worried about money.........they will work just perfect for home defense

Electrikkoolaid
11-28-2011, 05:11
From a guy who owned all 3 mentioned. The 590A1 is built like a tank with everything pretty much thicker and more parts made of steel or aluminum per uncle sams request.

How would you rate the smoothness of the action going from a Mav88 to a 590?

I know the 590 is made of higher-spec components, but for home defense rather than military use, does that translate into better quality of function?

Is parkerizing a lot (or a little) better than blued steel for rust issues?

Thanks.

Cephus0807
11-28-2011, 05:47
i have two model 500s and love them both one is the JIC Combo which comes with the pistol grip and short barrel which you can change out to the provided standard syn stock and long barrel. I also have the Sluggy combo which came with long barrel and a rifled slug barrel w/scope. each only costed $350 OTD so basically 4 set ups for $700 not bad in my eyes

Klaatu
11-28-2011, 09:05
The 590a1 is nice, there is more pride of ownership involved with it. I would personally get the 18.5 inch barrel, shorter LOP stock, GRS, 2 shot magazine extension.

Where is there available a 2 shot mag extension for a 590A1 with a 18.5" barrel except from a guy on the Internet with the handle MAX100 whose reputation is questionable?

Am in the market myself for a Mossberg 590A1 but can't decide whether to get the #51517-7 (18.5") or #51663 (20"). Are 3 more rounds worth the extra $48 not to mention the increased weight?

Victoriagotagun
11-28-2011, 10:04
Where is there available a 2 shot mag extension for a 590A1 with a 18.5" barrel except from a guy on the Internet with the handle MAX100 whose reputation is questionable?

Am in the market myself for a Mossberg 590A1 but can't decide whether to get the #51517-7 (18.5") or #51663 (20"). Are 3 more rounds worth the extra $48 not to mention the increased weight?

Choate makes a 2shot extension. I went with the Vang +1 on my 18" 590A1's.

Klaatu
11-28-2011, 10:23
Choate makes a 2shot extension. I went with the Vang +1 on my 18" 590A1's.

True, but according to this post (http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=461207), the +2 is longer than the 18.5" barrel which some find undesirable. Choate does make a +1 (http://www.riflestock.com/catalog_page_detail.cfm?recordno=19&Product_CatalogID=3096&ProductNumber=02-04-11&ProductCode=2&ProductSubCodeID=236&NewProduct=0)
but as with the Vang +1, the additional cost is more than simply buying a #51663 (20") in the first place.

Dalton Wayne
11-28-2011, 10:35
I'm partial to the 590

mixflip
11-28-2011, 10:40
How would you rate the smoothness of the action going from a Mav88 to a 590?

I know the 590 is made of higher-spec components, but for home defense rather than military use, does that translate into better quality of function?

Is parkerizing a lot (or a little) better than blued steel for rust issues?

Thanks.

For HD work it will boil down to personal preference since they both make holes as advertised. My 590 was the special purpose model so it was not the mil-spec A1.

That being said I actually like the SP model better. I shot the mil-spec version when I was attached to the Marines back in my Navy days so I am familiar with the differences to some degree.

Here is why I liked the special purpose model....

My 590 (the SP) was blued not parkerized and I really like that. To me personally blued steel is so much nicer looking. Its smooth to the touch and when it gets oil on it...it still looks nice since blued finishes are already kinda shiny to begin with.

Parkerize finish does it job of protecting the gun but its not pretty for lack of a better word lol. Im sure beauty is in the eye of the beholder. When the parkerized finish get oil on it...it looks weird like its extremely dry in one spot and wet in others. But it does protect from rust so I cant complain.

The SP used the civilian grade thinner barrel while the mil-spec barrel was mandated by Uncle Sam to have thicker barrels to survive the rigors of combat. While the thick barrel sounds cool, it makes a heavy gun even heavier to lug around yet does not increase accuracy or reliability (in a shotgun anyway lol).

The light weight of the thinner SP barrel on top of it being a blued barrel just made me like the SP more and more. In the grand scheme of things I will never push my shotgun to Irag/Afghanistan combat conditions. Would it be cool to own a mil-spec shotgun? Sure but I have no delusions that I "need" a mil-spec shotgun for home defense.

Lastely, my only complaint about the SP is that it comes with a plastic trigger assembly and plastic tang safety button. The mil-spec model comes with aluminum parts and to us gun guys metal is usually more desirable than plastic usually. Probably not so much on a Glock forum though lol.

I hope this helps?

Here is my Mossberg 590 special purpose model. In black.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i182/mixflip/CIMG5079.jpg

Here it is in the old school wood which I actually like alot!
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i182/mixflip/CIMG5086.jpg

Motor City Glocker
11-28-2011, 12:15
I took the plunge on the Maverick 88 Security model (7+1 capacity). You can't beat the price, and it's just fine for a HD shotgun.

officerjohnson
11-28-2011, 12:39
Where is there available a 2 shot mag extension for a 590A1 with a 18.5" barrel except from a guy on the Internet with the handle MAX100 whose reputation is questionable?

Am in the market myself for a Mossberg 590A1 but can't decide whether to get the #51517-7 (18.5") or #51663 (20"). Are 3 more rounds worth the extra $48 not to mention the increased weight?

the 18.5 is already nose heavy, I wouldnt want the 20, for the length or the weight.

vang comp makes a +1 and is coming out with a +2

J&S makes a +2, high quality

Nordic makes a +2, high quality

choate makes a +2

when you have the 18.5 with a +2, you only give up 1 round to the 20 inch model and you have a slightly shorter and lighter front end.

Victoriagotagun
11-28-2011, 21:19
the 18.5 is already nose heavy, I wouldnt want the 20, for the length or the weight.

vang comp makes a +1 and is coming out with a +2

J&S makes a +2, high quality

Nordic makes a +2, high quality

choate makes a +2

when you have the 18.5 with a +2, you only give up 1 round to the 20 inch model and you have a slightly shorter and lighter front end.

I forgot about Nordic and S&J making a +2 extension. It took Vang long enough to finally come out with a +2 instead of his great +1 extension.

officerjohnson
11-28-2011, 21:32
For HD work it will boil down to personal preference since they both make holes as advertised. My 590 was the special purpose model so it was not the mil-spec A1.

That being said I actually like the SP model better. I shot the mil-spec version when I was attached to the Marines back in my Navy days so I am familiar with the differences to some degree.

Here is why I liked the special purpose model....

My 590 (the SP) was blued not parkerized and I really like that. To me personally blued steel is so much nicer looking. Its smooth to the touch and when it gets oil on it...it still looks nice since blued finishes are already kinda shiny to begin with.

Parkerize finish does it job of protecting the gun but its not pretty for lack of a better word lol. Im sure beauty is in the eye of the beholder. When the parkerized finish get oil on it...it looks weird like its extremely dry in one spot and wet in others. But it does protect from rust so I cant complain.

The SP used the civilian grade thinner barrel while the mil-spec barrel was mandated by Uncle Sam to have thicker barrels to survive the rigors of combat. While the thick barrel sounds cool, it makes a heavy gun even heavier to lug around yet does not increase accuracy or reliability (in a shotgun anyway lol).

The light weight of the thinner SP barrel on top of it being a blued barrel just made me like the SP more and more. In the grand scheme of things I will never push my shotgun to Irag/Afghanistan combat conditions. Would it be cool to own a mil-spec shotgun? Sure but I have no delusions that I "need" a mil-spec shotgun for home defense.

Lastely, my only complaint about the SP is that it comes with a plastic trigger assembly and plastic tang safety button. The mil-spec model comes with aluminum parts and to us gun guys metal is usually more desirable than plastic usually. Probably not so much on a Glock forum though lol.

I hope this helps?

Here is my Mossberg 590 special purpose model. In black.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i182/mixflip/CIMG5079.jpg

Here it is in the old school wood which I actually like alot!
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i182/mixflip/CIMG5086.jpg


The 590a1 heavy barrel is overkill, it adds alot of weight to the front of the gun. I love the parkerized finish personally. I would like to have a 590 with the regular barrel, metal trigger gaurd, parkerized finish. In other words a 590a1 without the heavy barrel.

USMC03Grunt
11-28-2011, 23:19
Well, you already said you lust after the M590 so if you don't get it, will you still be satisfied or left leefing half empty and still want that same M590? When I got out of the Marines in 1992, I wanted a Mossberg M590 (no, not an A1 since back in the late 80s and early 90s, there was no M590-A1, just the M590) but found a good Mossberg 500 ATP for a good price and bought it. It served me well for many years, never had a problem and I still have it to this day. However, I still wanted a M590. It wasn't until I right before I shipped out for Afghanistan in 2008 that I finally bought one and I love it! The only thing about the M590 and M500 is that the plastic safety button is breakage prone (broke mine on my old M500 years ago) but a steel replacement button from Brownells is a $15-20 fix so when I got my M590, that was the first thing I done to it. I added a heavier magazine spring but other than that, it's bone stock...just the way I like 'em! Sorry but I can't vouch for the Maverick 88 since I have no hands on with them. From what I hear though, they are pretty much the same as the M500 but with a Model 12 style safety button and the forend is moulded directly to the slide.

Dogbite
11-28-2011, 23:26
I had the 500 and the 590a1. I know the 590a1 is awesome, but the 500 just fit me better, and is lighter, and more wieldable. I tried smaller stocks on the 590, but for some reason, the 500 just fits me perfect. I sold my 590, and couldnt be more happy with the 500. As a side note, you should also try the 500 tactical model. I use one as my shop shotgun and it is also light, has the adjustable stock, and shell carrier built in. I love it.

pmwglock19
11-29-2011, 08:18
I bought the 500 persuader. Use it for 3 gun as well as HD. Never had a problem with the gun/\. It is 7 + 1 with the black polimer stock. Great gun for the money.

Jack Black
11-29-2011, 19:06
True, but according to this post (http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=461207), the +2 is longer than the 18.5" barrel which some find undesirable. Choate does make a +1 (http://www.riflestock.com/catalog_page_detail.cfm?recordno=19&Product_CatalogID=3096&ProductNumber=02-04-11&ProductCode=2&ProductSubCodeID=236&NewProduct=0)
but as with the Vang +1, the additional cost is more than simply buying a #51663 (20") in the first place.

I have the Choate +1 on my 18.5". If you use the stock Mossberg follower it works as a +2.

post-apocalyptic
11-29-2011, 19:42
I'm more partial to the ol Winchester 1300 Defender than any of the Mossies mentioned. Though out of production, you can still find em at pawnshops and gunbroker for ~$300.

Here's mine:

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8947/win130013.jpg

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/97/win13005ver2.jpg

Win 1300s are lighter than 870s and Mossbergs, have a more intuitive safety location, and a smoother pump-action.

Here's some guy doing an adequate job of demonstrating that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbd8biIvNL0

CrackerKen
11-29-2011, 20:56
How does the parkerizing hold up on the Mossbergs? I'm thinking of getting a parkerized model instead of blue steel. Just wondering.

collim1
11-30-2011, 05:32
I'm more partial to the ol Winchester 1300 Defender than any of the Mossies mentioned. Though out of production, you can still find em at pawnshops and gunbroker for ~$300.

Here's mine:

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8947/win130013.jpg

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/97/win13005ver2.jpg

Win 1300s are lighter than 870s and Mossbergs, have a more intuitive safety location, and a smoother pump-action.

Here's some guy doing an adequate job of demonstrating that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbd8biIvNL0

I dont think the 1300 gets the credit it deserves. The pump action is one of the shortest and smoothest out there.

Victoriagotagun
11-30-2011, 10:12
How does the parkerizing hold up on the Mossbergs? I'm thinking of getting a parkerized model instead of blue steel. Just wondering.

It's going to hold up a lot better than the blue steel.


I dont think the 1300 gets the credit it deserves. The pump action is one of the shortest and smoothest out there.

The 1300 is a good shotgun and is very smooth but they don't seem to hold up that well in the some of the shotgun classes I have taken.

CrackerKen
11-30-2011, 11:36
Noted on the parkerized finishes. That's kind of where I was leaning. I'm going for a 500 or 590.

DaBigBR
12-02-2011, 16:00
If you're interested in a 590A1, you may want to look up and call Jack Smith Gun Sales in Des Moines, Iowa. I bought a non-ghost ring 590A1 from them for $329 last year and a buddy just bought one (the same one) for the same price this past weekend. They sell the full line of Mossberg shotguns and they price to sell. I do not know what their policies are for shipping.