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rcd567
11-27-2011, 14:54
Anyone remember the 10mm loading of the Black Talon? I believe it was a 200 grain bullet but I have no idea of the velocity. Was a true 10mm? Or more of a mouse load?:cowboy:

4949shooter
11-27-2011, 14:59
I read something a while back on it. It was a downloaded 10MM.

They look good though:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Winchester_Black_Talon_10mm.jpg

Here is more info:

http://www.ar15armory.com/forums/ORIGINAL-BLACK-TALON-t47244.html

_The_Shadow
11-27-2011, 16:43
It was loaded down to about 980-990 fps from 5" barrels. The Winchester Black Talon 200gr was the only factory ammo ever purchased for my 10mm guns! BTW their 40S&W Ranger T ammo is listed as 990 fps.

The bullets performed as advertised at those speeds, I would like to see Winchester Ranger T's (Reverse Taper Jacket Design) avalible to handloaders!

nickE10mm
11-27-2011, 16:54
I pulled a 180gr BONDED SXT from a .40 factory load and handloaded it to about 1370fps. At that speed, the bullet was basically shrapnel when I recovered it from the jug. The BT's and SXT's are only made for about 1000fps.

21Carrier
11-27-2011, 21:42
I had two of the 10mm Black Talon rounds, but pulled and reloaded one hot for my wax tube tests. It is 200gr at 1000fps I believe. Maybe it was 1100fps, but it wasn't full power. Go to my wax tube thread for the test results. It did REALLY well. It made a nice wound cavity, and penetrated VERY deep. Also, six small chunks of lead broke off, and made six secondary wound channels. I still think it was one of the better bullets I tested. I think my test velocity was around 1125fps from my G29, if I remember correctly. I was never able to chronograph the load, because I only had two. I'm keeping the second as a novelty. I got the box and two rounds for $2 at a gun show.

Left to right: 9mm 115gr FMJ, .357SIG WWB 125gr JHP, handloaded 10mm 155gr GDHP, 200gr 10mm Black Talon, handloaded .45ACP 230gr Magnus JHP
http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h329/21Carrier/Bullet%20Pictures/IMG_1781.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h329/21Carrier/IMG_2104-1.jpg

oceanbob
11-28-2011, 11:38
I bought 180 boxes of Black Talon back in 93?...ish...
Sold off 80 boxes in one massive deal last year and pieced out another 60 boxes. Only have around 20 boxes left. :supergrin:

I used to see them at the Gun Shows for $50 a box but last weekend at the Crossroads Gun Show in Costa Mesa (the largest on the West Coast) no Black Talons were for sale.

http://i49.tinypic.com/dqgj7t.jpg

rcd567
11-28-2011, 12:02
I bought 180 boxes of Black Talon back in 93?...ish...
Sold off 80 boxes in one massive deal last year and pieced out another 60 boxes. Only have around 20 boxes left. :supergrin:

I used to see them at the Gun Shows for $50 a box but last weekend at the Crossroads Gun Show in Costa Mesa (the largest on the West Coast) no Black Talons were for sale.

http://i49.tinypic.com/dqgj7t.jpg
Looks like the majority is 45acp. Any 10mm?

4949shooter
11-28-2011, 15:50
Wow that's a nice stach.

I have two boxes of .40 S&W left. I had shot up all my .45 ACP.

99blkta
11-28-2011, 23:14
Last gun show I was at they were asking 80 a box!! Needless to say I didn't buy any. Don't know if that's a normal price but $4 a bullet, I'll pass.

oceanbob
11-29-2011, 08:02
Looks like the majority is 45acp. Any 10mm?


I'am down to 3 boxes of 10. I really didn't have much 10 to begin with however. Also sold most of the .45.

Got some 9, 10,40 ,45, 357 and one 44 mag. Also a box of .308 hunting ammo.

Be well, Bob

Christopher67
11-29-2011, 12:56
What round today compares to the "Black Talon"?

4949shooter
11-29-2011, 15:21
What round today compares to the "Black Talon"?

Winchester Ranger SXT:

http://www.google.com/search?q=winchester+ranger+sxt&hl=en&rlz=1R2ACGW_en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=vkzVTrSGJofV0QHQqMXXAQ&sqi=2&ved=0CFQQsAQ&biw=1536&bih=677

nickE10mm
11-29-2011, 15:30
Winchester Ranger SXT:

http://www.google.com/search?q=winchester+ranger+sxt&hl=en&rlz=1R2ACGW_en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=vkzVTrSGJofV0QHQqMXXAQ&sqi=2&ved=0CFQQsAQ&biw=1536&bih=677

Yep, although they are also built for slower speeds... plus, you can't buy them as a reloading component... at least, the last time I checked.

Christopher67
11-29-2011, 15:40
What about the Winchester® Supreme Elite Bonded PDX1 ?

BigLaw
11-29-2011, 15:41
Winchester Ranger SXT:

http://www.google.com/search?q=winchester+ranger+sxt&hl=en&rlz=1R2ACGW_en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=vkzVTrSGJofV0QHQqMXXAQ&sqi=2&ved=0CFQQsAQ&biw=1536&bih=677

The SXT is the old stuff. The box now says T Series. Winchester calls them them "Improved T Series" They are supposed to expand a lot more than the Ranger SXT. I shot all of my SXT stuff up at the range.

BigLaw
11-29-2011, 15:43
What about the Winchester® Supreme Elite Bonded PDX1 ?

Those are the non LE packaging for the new Ranger Bonded rounds the FBI picked. They are great rounds, but do not have the reverse taper design ( Talons ) like the T series.

4949shooter
11-29-2011, 16:03
The SXT is the old stuff. The box now says T Series. Winchester calls them them "Improved T Series" They are supposed to expand a lot more than the Ranger SXT. I shot all of my SXT stuff up at the range.

Yep the T series is the upgraded version of the SXT.

Christopher67
11-29-2011, 17:27
Those are the non LE packaging for the new Ranger Bonded rounds the FBI picked. They are great rounds, but do not have the reverse taper design ( Talons ) like the T series.

Aaah i see, thanks for the info.

Christopher67
11-29-2011, 17:52
Wheres a good place online to buy the Winchester Ranger T Series "Improved T Series"?

Christopher67
11-29-2011, 21:26
Wheres a good place online to buy the Winchester Ranger T Series "Improved T Series"?


Anyone? :dunno:

4949shooter
11-29-2011, 21:49
Anyone? :dunno:

You can try here:

http://bellsouthpwp2.net/s/c/scgunguy/rangerlist.htm

Unfortunately they don't make it in 10MM.

Christopher67
11-29-2011, 22:00
You can try here:

http://bellsouthpwp2.net/s/c/scgunguy/rangerlist.htm

Unfortunately they don't make it in 10MM.


Awesome thank you.

Christopher67
11-29-2011, 22:32
Has anyone bought off of this website? http://www.sgammo.com/product/winchester/500rds-45-auto-p-ranger-t-series-ra45tp-winchester-45

4949shooter
11-30-2011, 05:33
Has anyone bought off of this website? http://www.sgammo.com/product/winchester/500rds-45-auto-p-ranger-t-series-ra45tp-winchester-45

Yes a friend of mine ordered .357 Sig ammo from them with no problems.

Jitterbug
11-30-2011, 08:33
I've done business with Sgammo...no issues.

Christopher67
11-30-2011, 15:58
Awesome, thank you.

IronRonin
12-02-2011, 19:58
yeah ive bought several boxes of 165 and 180gr 40cal T series from them, they have plenty in stock all the time and fast shipping. no issues, great ammo. someday I want to pull some to reload in 10mm.

the iceman
12-04-2011, 10:28
Has anyone bought off of this website? http://www.sgammo.com/product/winchester/500rds-45-auto-p-ranger-t-series-ra45tp-winchester-45

I have placed many orders through sgammo and they are good people to deal with.

flyandscuba
12-06-2011, 16:46
I've got a few boxes of 10mm Black Talons in my stash - let me know if you are interested in them...