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Hoser
11-27-2011, 16:09
I did not sleep well last night and I woke up early. I figured I might as well find something quiet to do in my reloading room. So I started pointing bullets.

The goal is to make the hollow point on match bullets smaller and more uniform. This makes the ballistic coefficient more uniform and it is one more variable I can control.

Inside 500-600 yards it doesent make much difference, but it cant hurt and might help.

I use the Whidden pointing die. Works like a charm.
http://www.6mmbr.com/bulletpointer.html

Sierra has started doing this to some of their new bullets like the 308 125gn and 155gn bullets and 6mm 115gn bullets. I would guess that within a few years all their Matchkings come pointed.

I did 2,500 123 gn 6.5mm bullets and 500 Berger 300gn 338 Lapua bullets. I can do about 1200-1500 an hour. Boring as hell, but easy.

Pointed vs non pointed.

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac105/puebloshooter/Reloading%20Stuff/DSC02845-1.jpg

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac105/puebloshooter/Reloading%20Stuff/DSC02846-1.jpg



A 300gn Berger 338 Hybrid bullet next to a 55gn FMJ...

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac105/puebloshooter/Reloading%20Stuff/DSC02851-1.jpg

norton
11-27-2011, 16:16
Looks like your reloading project for this Sunday yielded more results then mine on this cold rainy day.

aarolar
11-27-2011, 16:47
This is the kind of thing that makes me like reloading and shooting pistols much more than rifles. I do both but find pistols more fun to shoot and more relaxing to reload. To each his own though.

Hoser
11-27-2011, 17:20
For me loading long range rifle is relaxing. Slow and smooth. Nothing cosmic or high speed. The ammo goes slow so its not like I need to crank out thousands at a sitting.

Laying down and hitting a 12-16 inch steel plate at 1,000 yards on the first shot is very rewarding.

But pistol ammo goes so fast I just want the loading process to be over.

Hoser
11-27-2011, 17:22
Looks like your reloading project for this Sunday yielded more results then mine on this cold rainy day.

And I got a bunch of IMI 50 BMG brass prepped and two batches of 260 brass tumbled in stainless media. Good day all in all.

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac105/puebloshooter/DSC02791.jpg

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac105/puebloshooter/DSC02833.jpg

WiskyT
11-27-2011, 17:36
I fell asleep just reading about bullet pointing and it's 1830. If I woke up in the middle of the night, it wouldn't take more than pointing three bullets and I'd be right back out.

aarolar
11-27-2011, 18:12
For me loading long range rifle is relaxing. Slow and smooth. Nothing cosmic or high speed. The ammo goes slow so its not like I need to crank out thousands at a sitting.

Laying down and hitting a 12-16 inch steel plate at 1,000 yards on the first shot is very rewarding.

But pistol ammo goes so fast I just want the loading process to be over.

Ahh but I only shoot once or twice a month and spend the rest of the month slowly rolling another hundred or two. Same theory of relaxation...

Hoser
11-27-2011, 19:45
I fell asleep just reading about bullet pointing and it's 1830.

Thats cause your old like Jack.

WiskyT
11-27-2011, 19:47
Thats cause your old like Jack.

Not like Jack i'm not!

GioaJack
11-27-2011, 20:13
Let me get this straight, you spent the day making small holes out of big holes. Has it occurred to you that you've missed your calling... you should be on a chain gang.

And I'm not old, I'm seasoned. :fist:


Jack

Hoser
11-28-2011, 09:26
Let me get this straight, you spent the day making small holes out of big holes.

And tumbled all that 260 brass perfectly clean. You do know that chicks dig clean brass?

noylj
12-01-2011, 01:14
Dear OP:
Have you tested "pointed" and "un-pointed" and proven that it is of any benefit? Would need at least 10 3-shot groups of each.
Seems like there are a whole lot of "rituals" for loading for rifles that have been started in the past 25 years and I have NEVER seen even one article showing that it has any effect.
It seems the rituals are becoming more important then the actual results on target.
I'm am still waiting for the first article proving that all these OCD activities are of any benefit, other than making the loader feel better.

Hoser
12-01-2011, 09:08
Dear OP: Have you tested "pointed" and "un-pointed" and proven that it is of any benefit? Would need at least 10 3-shot groups of each. Seems like there are a whole lot of "rituals" for loading for rifles that have been started in the past 25 years and I have NEVER seen even one article showing that it has any effect. It seems the rituals are becoming more important then the actual results on target. I'm am still waiting for the first article proving that all these OCD activities are of any benefit, other than making the loader feel better.

I take it you did not read the referenced article? I have done testing at long range. Trust me, I have other things I can do with my time instead of pointing bullets. If it didnt work I would not be doing it.


http://www.6mmbr.com/bulletpointer.html

fredj338
12-01-2011, 09:55
I take it you did not read the referenced article? I have done testing at long range. Trust me, I have other things I can do with my time instead of pointing bullets. If it didnt work I would not be doing it.

Most people don't shoot seriously beyond 300yds & all the reloading tricks just don't matter that much inside that. Now past that, everything matters when it comes to accuracy, but really only for the 10% group that can milk the extra accuracy out of their rigs. Like buying the best golf gear & superduooper golf balls, if you are a 20 handicapper, it isn't helping your game much. I am pretty sure you are in that 10% group fo shooters that can see the reward for the effort.:wavey:

F106 Fan
12-01-2011, 12:29
Any thoughts on how to back in to a BC after point-trim-repoint?

I would really like to have a revised BC to use when preparing range tables. I could just shoot the ranges we have available: 100, 200, 300, 500, 600, 800, 900 and 1000 yards and do a curve fit I suppose. But the problem is that this would all be based on my shooting which is dubious at best.

Richard

Hoser
12-01-2011, 13:00
I could just shoot the ranges we have available

That is exactly what I do. Computer data from places like JBM, Litz or Sierra is fine, but I always check it.

I have found the BC comes up a few points. I usually compansate by adding a little velocity to my data cards. Comes out pretty close in the end.

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac105/puebloshooter/DSC02838.jpg

GioaJack
12-01-2011, 13:07
Would it have killed ya to put the card right side up?


Jack

Batesmotel
12-01-2011, 13:16
Would it have killed ya to put the card right side up?


Jack

And a little better focus. I want to read your dope. :supergrin:
BTW What cal and weight is it for?

Hoser
12-01-2011, 13:36
Would it have killed ya to put the card right side up?


Jack

It might have...

The front side (20-500 yards) is right side up. For me, its easier.


And a little better focus. I want to read your dope. :supergrin:
BTW What cal and weight is it for?

243 with 115 Sierras going about 2950.

6.1 mils to 1,000 (100 yard zero) with a full value wind of 1.2 mils.

F106 Fan
12-01-2011, 13:42
I am about to start shooting my 6.5x284 NORMA at longer ranges. I will also want to prepare a range chart.

Perhaps just adjusting velocity in the Sierra software will be adequate.

I don't run my 6.5's very hot - somewhere around 2700 fps (my range book is in the garage). I have been shooting a 100 & 300 yards and I just didn't see the purpose in burning up the chamber for short ranges. If I can keep the velocity above the speed of sound at 1000 yards, I don't think I'll go any faster.

First, I need to try the metal rams at 500 yards. Once I get a decent scope, it should be a walk in the park.

Richard

StaTiK
12-01-2011, 20:14
I am about to start shooting my 6.5x284 NORMA at longer ranges. I will also want to prepare a range chart.

Perhaps just adjusting velocity in the Sierra software will be adequate.

I don't run my 6.5's very hot - somewhere around 2700 fps (my range book is in the garage). I have been shooting a 100 & 300 yards and I just didn't see the purpose in burning up the chamber for short ranges. If I can keep the velocity above the speed of sound at 1000 yards, I don't think I'll go any faster.

First, I need to try the metal rams at 500 yards. Once I get a decent scope, it should be a walk in the park.

Richard

Ask Hozer how he likes his Schmidt & Benders; I've never heard anything bad about them other than the price. I've personally never owned scopes worth more than $1k... yet.

-StaTiK-

EL_NinO619
12-01-2011, 22:17
I did not sleep well last night and I woke up early. I figured I might as well find something quiet to do in my reloading room. So I started pointing bullets.

The goal is to make the hollow point on match bullets smaller and more uniform. This makes the ballistic coefficient more uniform and it is one more variable I can control.

Inside 500-600 yards it doesent make much difference, but it cant hurt and might help.

I use the Whidden pointing die. Works like a charm.
http://www.6mmbr.com/bulletpointer.html

Sierra has started doing this to some of their new bullets like the 308 125gn and 155gn bullets and 6mm 115gn bullets. I would guess that within a few years all their Matchkings come pointed.

I did 2,500 123 gn 6.5mm bullets and 500 Berger 300gn 338 Lapua bullets. I can do about 1200-1500 an hour. Boring as hell, but easy.

Pointed vs non pointed.

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac105/puebloshooter/Reloading%20Stuff/DSC02845-1.jpg

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac105/puebloshooter/Reloading%20Stuff/DSC02846-1.jpg



A 300gn Berger 338 Hybrid bullet next to a 55gn FMJ...

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac105/puebloshooter/Reloading%20Stuff/DSC02851-1.jpg


To me, this is just awesome. And that .338 round is the sexy damn thing I have ever laid my eyes on.... Except when I saw Jacks beautiful face in those videos.

Any ways I am going to start doing that with my Precision rounds..

EL_NinO619
12-01-2011, 22:20
And you only have to hold 6.1 mils for a 50cal???

F106 Fan
12-02-2011, 00:30
Ask Hozer how he likes his Schmidt & Benders; I've never heard anything bad about them other than the price. I've personally never owned scopes worth more than $1k... yet.

-StaTiK-

I've been looking at the Leupold Tactical series with the reticle on the front focal plane - 8.5-25x50 with 0.1 mil knobs. I was considering Nightforce but I don't think the front focal plane is an option and I really want that feature; I want to be able to mil at any power setting.

http://leupold.com/tactical/products/scopes/mark-4-lrt-riflescopes/mark-4-8-5-25x50mm-lrt-m5-illum-reticle/

I think Schmidt & Bender is pretty much out of my price bracket. I might be willing to go to $2k but probably not much beyond that.

Richard

Hoser
12-02-2011, 08:34
I was considering Nightforce but I don't think the front focal plane is an option and I really want that feature; I want to be able to mil at any power setting.

Nightforce now has a FFP scope. Their F1 series. Good scopes. Street price is about $2300 new, $2000 used.

The new Loopys look good.