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Shadyscott69
11-27-2011, 16:51
I am currently loading a PD 180gn 40 S&W over 3.0gn of Clays as my competition round.

I want to eventually start casting my own bullets to save money.
Right now, I want to try out loading some lead bullets I am going to purchase. I want to make sure they will run in my gun without issue.

My questions is, where should I start my loads with Clays and a 180 gn LRN? What else should I be aware of with lead? Where do you guys recommend ordering lead bullets?
I have looked at Missouri Bullet, but they aren't that much cheaper than the PD FMJ's I am using now.

WiskyT
11-27-2011, 17:49
The last ones I bought were from T and T in PA. They were always pretty cheap and should be competitively priced. A 180 TC will work great. There are some lighter weight bullets, but they are usually SWC which aren't worth the trouble in Glocks.

I don't use Clays, but 3.5 Bullseye will be about the minimum load that will run the gun fine. It is far from the max.

fredj338
11-27-2011, 17:53
Well, Clays would probably be my last choice w/ heavy for caliber bullets in the 40, even at mousefart vel, actually TG would be, but that is JMO.
Lead bullets need to be matched to the groove dia of your bbl + ).001" for best results. A 0.401" dia bullet is a good starting point, but a 0.402" bullet may shoot better. Beware of over crimping & the LFCD, both can resize the bullet & accuracy will suffer.
I cast my own, but there are several places offering affordable lead bullets.
http://www.velocitybullets.com/products/.40-S%26W-180-Grain-Flat-Point-Sized-to-.401.html
http://www.twoalphabullets.com/Products.htm
http://uniqueprecisionbullets.com/40.htm

TN.Frank
11-27-2011, 18:11
I've never seen a mold in 40cal for LRN bullets. Most are TC or SWC. Pick up a Lee 2-Cavity Bullet Mold TL401-175-SWC 40 S&W (401 Diameter) 175 Grain Tumble Lube Semi-Wadcutter and give it a try. They've worked well out of my PX4 over 5.0grs of Unique. If you like this bullet then you can get a 6 cavity Lee later on for more production.
Also, nice thing about the tumble lube is that you can use the liquid Alox from Lee and their sizing die in your loading press to size your bullets so you won't need to spend a lot on a lube/sizer.

Shadyscott69
11-27-2011, 18:12
Well, Clays would probably be my last choice w/ heavy for caliber bullets in the 40, even at mousefart vel, actually TG would be, but that is JMO.
Lead bullets need to be matched to the groove dia of your bbl + ).001" for best results. A 0.401" dia bullet is a good starting point, but a 0.402" bullet may shoot better. Beware of over crimping & the LFCD, both can resize the bullet & accuracy will suffer.
I cast my own, but there are several places offering affordable lead bullets.
http://www.velocitybullets.com/products/.40-S%26W-180-Grain-Flat-Point-Sized-to-.401.html
http://www.twoalphabullets.com/Products.htm
http://uniqueprecisionbullets.com/40.htm

I was worried about using Clays too. My first choice has been VV n320, but I am out and can't find any. Clays is less than 50% of the cost too. It was recommended by many at BENOS as well. I have loaded and shot about 1500 rnds with Clays now and it shoots very soft @ 3.0

I am loading the 40 on a D1050. I don't crimp at all. I only remove the flare with FMJ. I suppose it will be trial and error with the lead.

scattershot
11-27-2011, 18:21
If you shoot competion, you might want to rethink the casting thing. You will probably use more bullets in a match than you have time to cast in the week beforehand. Just sayin'

GioaJack
11-27-2011, 18:31
If your matches are a thousands rounds each you'll only need to give up a couple hours of TV to get those cast... don't even need to give up the TV if your loading room is set up right. :whistling:


Jack

atakawow
11-27-2011, 19:13
I am currently loading a PD 180gn 40 S&W over 3.0gn of Clays as my competition round.

I have looked at Missouri Bullet, but they aren't that much cheaper than the PD FMJ's I am using now.

While MBC doesn't have the best prices out there, $157.00 per 2k as oppose to $230.00 per 2k is quite a hefty saving.

fredj338
11-27-2011, 19:42
If you shoot competion, you might want to rethink the casting thing. You will probably use more bullets in a match than you have time to cast in the week beforehand. Just sayin'
Nah, 6cav Lee mold & bottom pour pot will get you 600 good bullets/hr. Then depending on sizing & lubing, may add another hr. Most don't shoot more than 200rds a match. Still, casting does add to ones reloading time, but can be very cheap shooting.

Colorado4Wheel
11-27-2011, 19:54
If you shoot competion, you might want to rethink the casting thing. You will probably use more bullets in a match than you have time to cast in the week beforehand. Just sayin'

I used to think that. Not any longer. It doesn't take that long to cast up your bullets with a 4 cavity mold.

2240
11-28-2011, 05:03
Nah, 6cav Lee mold & bottom pour pot will get you 600 good bullets/hr. Then depending on sizing & lubing, may add another hr. Most don't shoot more than 200rds a match. Still, casting does add to ones reloading time, but can be very cheap shooting.

+1 Lee 6-cavity up-to-temp will crank them out with very little rejects.

Jimmy N
11-28-2011, 07:15
Just have to share my load...

Lee six cavity TL401-175-SWC.. Straight clip on wheel weights, dropped from the mold into water. Tumble lubed with half alox, half Johnson's Paste Wax, sized to .401. Loaded to 1.135" OAL, 5.5 grains of WSF. My factory crimp die barely does anything. Definitely don't want to over do that. This is out of a Glock 23 factory barrel. I get NO leading and I get great accuracy.
Of course, if you try any load in this cartridge with lead bullets, start with lower powder charge and work your way up. Don't blow up your gun. .40 S&W is definitely a higher pressure cartridge and can lead to disaster if you're not careful with OAL and powder charge.

fredj338
11-28-2011, 09:43
Just have to share my load...

Lee six cavity TL401-175-SWC.. Straight clip on wheel weights, dropped from the mold into water. Tumble lubed with half alox, half Johnson's Paste Wax, sized to .401. Loaded to 1.135" OAL, 5.5 grains of WSF. My factory crimp die barely does anything. Definitely don't want to over do that. This is out of a Glock 23 factory barrel. I get NO leading and I get great accuracy.
Of course, if you try any load in this cartridge with lead bullets, start with lower powder charge and work your way up. Don't blow up your gun. .40 S&W is definitely a higher pressure cartridge and can lead to disaster if you're not careful with OAL and powder charge.
Yep, I love me sime Unique or WSF w/ lead bullet 40s, very accurate & I don't worry about pressure spikes. Neither are really good for bunnyfart gamer loads though.

F106 Fan
11-28-2011, 10:23
Of course, if you try any load in this cartridge with lead bullets, start with lower powder charge and work your way up. Don't blow up your gun. .40 S&W is definitely a higher pressure cartridge and can lead to disaster if you're not careful with OAL and powder charge.


There's quite a story on blowing up .40 Glocks with lead bullets in "The Glock In Competition" (Chapter 1-4) by Taylor, Carver and Passumanck.

http://www.taylorpress.com/

The article is worth reading.

Richard

Colorado4Wheel
11-28-2011, 10:26
9mm and 40S&W run at the same pressure. 35,000 (cup I think).

F106 Fan
11-28-2011, 10:49
9mm and 40S&W run at the same pressure. 35,000 (cup I think).

Actually, PSI, in this case. But they are identical.

http://www.handloads.com/misc/saami.htm

Richard