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Brad55102
11-30-2011, 01:19
I have done tons of research and decided on 4 carry rounds

1 Federal HST 124gr +p
2 Federal HST 147gr
3 Speer Gold dot 124gr +p
4 Speer Gold dot 147gr

what one would you pick and why?

LawScholar
11-30-2011, 01:30
My two favorite brands and bullets. All four are amazing. Tough choice.

For me, tossup between the HST and GD 124+p

I like 180s in .40 and 230s in .45, but prefer the middle of the road 124s for 9x19. Hard to articulate why

9mm +p+
11-30-2011, 03:06
Personally I'd pick the gold dot 124+p, it has been around for a while and has a real good street rep, hst is kind of new despite all the hype. I have no use for 147's at all.

cadillacguns
11-30-2011, 04:23
I too carry in my 9mm's the 124+p Speer GDHP, cannot find any 147gr HST anywhere but I witnessed a recent ballistics workshop where it performed very well. Opened up and performed like a recoil controlable mini .40,(of which its not) almost the same performance of a Federal 180 gr HST.

unit1069
11-30-2011, 06:03
I'd carry every one but the 147-grain, and I'd carry that if I didn't have the others listed.

JBP55
11-30-2011, 06:34
I use the 124+P Gold Dot and HST.

hotpig
11-30-2011, 08:13
None would be my first choice but all listed are pretty equal. You are not sacrificing anything by picking a 124+P over the 147 so it pretty much is a wash. Personal preference is the main decider unless the gun does not like a particular load.

cowboy1964
11-30-2011, 08:30
Gold Dot 124+P followed by HST 147 if I wanted a 147, which I normally don't. To me I'd rather have 200+ more fps than 23 more grains. The GD 124+P is also about the easiest to find in that list.

I don't like the Gold Dot 147, never been especially impressed with the expansion I've seen in tests.

FatBoy
11-30-2011, 14:12
I'd buy the one that shoots 100% in your gun and was the best price. ;)


I am still shooting 124+p GDs that I picked up before the prices went crazy. I sure miss the $200-$230 per 1000 of the ole days. Luckily I stocked up.

I am not a brand snob. Rangers in my .45s, HSTs in my .40, and GDs in most of my 9mms.
FB

CigarandScotch
11-30-2011, 15:24
Personally I'd pick the gold dot 124+p, it has been around for a while and has a real good street rep, hst is kind of new despite all the hype. I have no use for 147's at all.



Why all the hate for 147gr? Did you have a bad experience with some?

fastbolt
11-30-2011, 15:27
I think folks sometimes over-think the ammunition aspect of carrying a handgun as a dedicated defensive weapon.

While none of the listed 4 loads are what I might run out and look to buy, I'd not have any concerns over someone handing me one of the boxes at random for me to use to load my carry weapons & magazines.

I've used any number of different 9mm hollowpoint duty & off-duty loads over the years. The last couple of them that were issued were the Ranger RA9TA (SXT/T-Series) 127gr +P+ and the Remington non-bonded Golden Sabre 124gr +P. When it's time to load magazines I pretty much grab whichever box is closest and use it. Sometimes I may choose one over the other (and I tend to like the T-Series bullet design, given my druthers), but it's still just one of the good quality, modern defensive loads being offered by one or another of the major ammunition companies. I have some RA9T 147gr T-Series stashed somewhere, as well as some Speer 147gr GDHP, too (I used up all of the Speer 124gr +P GDHP I had as range ammo).

I tend to look at the ammunition aspect as being important, sure ... preferring something of modern design in the way of defensive hollowpoint ammunition, and good quality ... but I tend to look at the shooter's knowledge, skillset & mindset, followed by the actual weapon's condition and maintenance, as being the more critical aspects for me.

If you were to bring me all 4 of those 9mm loads to the range and ask me that question, I'd probably ask you which load(s) your gun did best with, as far as normal functioning & practical accuracy, when you're shooting it, and see whether there was any noticeable differences in controllability among the loads when you were using them.

That's one of the nice things about being restricted to a certain type of duty ammunition any given time, it removes the 'ammunition factor' and places the emphasis back on the shooter and his/her equipment, skills, etc.

While I'm not in the ammunition business, if someone could choose to use anything in the way of ammunition they desired, I'd probably suggest they figure out which good quality defensive load they could buy in quantity, that worked well in their gun, when being fired in their hands. Then I'd suggest they buy it in sufficient quantity (maybe a case?) so they could use a reasonable amount of it to confirm normal feeding and functioning in their gun, and then put the rest aside for carry use ... and use something in a similar bullet weight for their training & practice. Unless, of course, they could buy whatever it was they'd chosen in sufficient quantities, at an affordable enough price, to be able to use it for both carry & training/practice use.

Most of the time when someone asks me about some new gun or ammunition, and what I think about it, I usually just respond by asking how well they can shoot using it. You have to be able to hit the intended target for the ammunition to be of any use, right?

Just my thoughts.

Tiro Fijo
11-30-2011, 18:27
None would be my first choice but all listed are pretty equal...


I'll bet you're using either the T-Series RA9TA or the RA9115HP+. What do I win? :supergrin:

I think folks sometimes over-think the ammunition aspect of carrying a handgun as a dedicated defensive weapon...


You're kiddin', right? (Sarcasm intended). :supergrin: Excellent point.

collim1
11-30-2011, 20:16
I carry the 147g Gold Dot in 9mm. Why?, because my agency gives them to me for free. I also generally carry a round that is heavy for caliber. I feel that a heavy, bonded bullet will give you adequate penetration if you have to go through a arm or heavy bone before hitting COM.

9mm +p+
11-30-2011, 22:02
Why all the hate for 147gr? Did you have a bad experience with some?

Not personally but a colleague has had several failures to stop with assorted 9/147's that he was issued. Ballistically speaking IMO they neuter the 9mm and make it a 38 special and I'm sorry but I want all the power I can get, 115/124/127+p/+p+ is ALL that I will use in my 9's ,period. Use what you like, if you are comfy with 147's rock on, I am not.

glock20c10mm
12-01-2011, 00:02
Not personally but a colleague has had several failures to stop with assorted 9/147's that he was issued. Ballistically speaking IMO they neuter the 9mm and make it a 38 special and I'm sorry but I want all the power I can get, 115/124/127+p/+p+ is ALL that I will use in my 9's ,period. Use what you like, if you are comfy with 147's rock on, I am not.
Couldn't have said it better myself.

hotpig
12-01-2011, 01:18
I'll bet you're using either the T-Series RA9TA or the RA9115HP+. What do I win? :supergrin:






RA9T, RA9B, or the 147 PDX1. I did use both the +P+ loads back in the day when the 147 was not the most reliable.

Xenogy
12-02-2011, 03:46
I have done tons of research and decided on 4 carry rounds

1 Federal HST 124gr +p
2 Federal HST 147gr
3 Speer Gold dot 124gr +p
4 Speer Gold dot 147gr

what one would you pick and why?

I like the 124gr GD over the 124gr HST, because the HST tends to under penetrate. The 124gr GD also has better weight retention through barriers.

I like the 147gr HST over the 147 GD because it doesn't over penetrate. The 147gr GD hits 16" penetration. The 147gr HST has the most robust expansion and about 13" penetration. It also has weight retention like a bonded bullet through barriers.

So for me it's pretty much a wash between 124gr +P GD and 147gr HST.

The 124gr GD could be considered more reliable. Faster slide speed for anti limp wristing. Also shorter OAL for better feeding. While the 147gr HST may have a slight edge in performance. I say get a few boxes each and see which you shoot best.

Frank V
12-02-2011, 16:25
I really wish a shop near here would carry the Speer GD 124gr +P!
I've heard so much good about it I'd really like to try it.
Frank

CanyonMan
12-02-2011, 17:10
I like 'for my gun and use "when carrying a nine," the 124+P GD, and the WW PDX1, and Speer 147gr bonded for deeper penetration.


You have to make the choice for your own needs and gun function.



Good luck







CM

Tiro Fijo
12-02-2011, 17:31
I like 'for my gun and use "when carrying a nine," the 124+P GD, and the WW PDX1, and Speer 147gr bonded for deeper penetration...


CM, was it you or Glolt who showed the photos of the handloaded 147 gr. Gold Dot that had ZERO mushrooming? I'll never forget those photos which only reinforced my bias against the 147 gr. 9mm bullets I've held since the 1980's.

CanyonMan
12-02-2011, 22:51
CM, was it you or Glolt who showed the photos of the handloaded 147 gr. Gold Dot that had ZERO mushrooming? I'll never forget those photos which only reinforced my bias against the 147 gr. 9mm bullets I've held since the 1980's.


Well amigo it was on the thread we did, but if I recall it was a 45acp PDX1 that failed to open. But then, There were others that failed to open as well. Not all JHP's will open in a more than jello test senerio. When placed up against a thick leather jacket and meat and bone and organs, (as in a steer quarter) there are some pretty poor results with a number of JHP's.

Sorry, no pics for ya at present. Maybe the next time.. ;)




Stay safe !







CM

packinaglock
12-03-2011, 06:45
Well amigo it was on the thread we did, but if I recall it was a 45acp PDX1 that failed to open. But then, There were others that failed to open as well. Not all JHP's will open in a more than jello test senerio. When placed up against a thick leather jacket and meat and bone and organs, (as in a steer quarter) there are some pretty poor results with a number of JHP's.

Sorry, no pics for ya at present. Maybe the next time.. ;)




Stay safe !







CM

I believe your right about the PDX1's CM, that was a hell of a good thread.

RangeRover
12-03-2011, 07:41
I think I remember Glolt doing the shooting and 481 doing the analysis. What ever happened to them? I haven't seen them post in ages.

packinaglock
12-03-2011, 16:28
I think I remember Glolt doing the shooting and 481 doing the analysis. What ever happened to them? I haven't seen them post in ages.

Not sure about Glolt, but 481 used to get pretty heated with English about bullet velocity. I do see 481 on another forum I visit. Both top notch guys.

Brad55102
12-03-2011, 23:23
I'd buy the one that shoots 100% in your gun and was the best price. ;)


I am still shooting 124+p GDs that I picked up before the prices went crazy. I sure miss the $200-$230 per 1000 of the ole days. Luckily I stocked up.

I am not a brand snob. Rangers in my .45s, HSTs in my .40, and GDs in most of my 9mms.
FB

Its a Glock 26, everything shoots 100%... lol

cadillacguns
12-04-2011, 05:32
What Xenogy said. Couldn't have said it better!