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PAGunner
12-02-2011, 11:59
I'll start by saying I've never reloaded in my life, but I find myself wanting all the oddball handgun capitate (.357sig, 10mm, .45GAP), so I've been thinking about learning how to reload, and I have several questions, but I'll start by stating I live in a condo, so I have garage space I could set a reloaded up. I recently learned about the Lee Loader Kits which are very light, I didn't even know such a thing existed. Anyway, for my questions.

1. Is the Lee Loader or similar product available in .357sig, 10mm and .45GAP?

.2 Crimping, I know this helps with bullet setback, particularly with .357Sig, is crimping possible with a Lee Loader type kit?

.3 Would you trust the reliability of handloaded ammo for self defense? Assuming the handloaded (yourself) knows what he is doing?

I probably sound like a total newb, so forgive my ignorance, I'm trying to gain knowledge and make myself less ignorant when it comes to reloading, so any advice will help. Please do take note of my living situation, I don't expect this to change for a long time if ever.

rpgman
12-02-2011, 12:04
I'll start by saying I've never reloaded in my life, but I find myself wanting all the oddball handgun capitate (.357sig, 10mm, .45GAP), so I've been thinking about learning how to reload, and I have several questions, but I'll start by stating I live in a condo, so I have garage space I could set a reloaded up. I recently learned about the Lee Loader Kits which are very light, I didn't even know such a thing existed. Anyway, for my questions.

1. Is the Lee Loader or similar product available in .357sig, 10mm and .45GAP?

.2 Crimping, I know this helps with bullet setback, particularly with .357Sig, is crimping possible with a Lee Loader type kit?

.3 Would you trust the reliability of handloaded ammo for self defense? Assuming the handloaded (yourself) knows what he is doing?

I probably sound like a total newb, so forgive my ignorance, I'm trying to gain knowledge and make myself less ignorant when it comes to reloading, so any advice will help. Please do take note of my living situation, I don't expect this to change for a long time if ever.

well, for me number 3 is I purchase my SD ammo even though I reload.

Sorry, I can't answer numbers 1 and 2, since I've never loaded on a Lee.

PAGunner
12-02-2011, 12:20
well, for me number 3 is I purchase my SD ammo even though I reload.

Sorry, I can't answer numbers 1 and 2, since I've never loaded on a Lee.

With .357sig and 10mm I want hottest ammo I can carry, like buffalo bore, underwood, DT level hot. Only I don't like the bullets they use and would love to learn how to fish, rather than buy my fish, catch my drift?

CanyonMan
12-02-2011, 12:21
Pard, I don't know anything about the Lee Loader, But I did start with a RCBS Rock Chucker Press and scales/dies etc, over 40 + years ago on the kitchen counter top... Ha Ha. ( I was single 'then' ).

I been using the RC press and RCBS stuff all this time (press replaced some years back) and really like it...

I am sure Lee has all you need for every caliber....

As far as do I trust my hand loads for SD ? That is all I use for SD. I do not have much confidence in Factory loads ever since one blew up one of my guns.

As far as the "hottest ammo you can carry." That depends on what your going to do with it. Certain bullets at certain vels, in certain calibers may not be wise for human SD in a city or suburban atmosphere.. It's not always the fastest hottest nuclear wizz bang that gets the job done man..

You will need to get (my suggestion) several good solid loading manuals, and study...

Decide what bullet you want for the caliber your loading for and stay within the limits or boundries of what that load book tells ya.

I'd be a liar to say I do not/ have not, strayed from the "books," I have. But to start out this is especially not wise, so slow down on all the "hottest badest butt loads idea", is my suggetion to ya 'while your learning..."

Just A thought.

Once ya start the hand loading, you'll never want factory stuff again.




Good luck to ya, perhaps someone else can help ya with the Lee Set up.




CM

Hogpauls
12-02-2011, 12:39
Like PA and the others I can't testify to the quality of Lee products but have read many good results from their loaders.

As to rolling your own SD rounds, well I'm with RPGman. I reload but purchase factory for SD. Many people do, but I prefer not to be raked over the coals by some liberal lawyer. YMMV. There are plenty of good offers from manufactures for SD and once you reload it is very easy to produce the same or similar ammo for practice.

There are a gazillion and one threads on the debate of loading your own SD ammo. The choice is yours.

Street Cruiser
12-02-2011, 12:45
I use a Lee Challenger single stage press and it has performed great. If your on a budget or tight on space (or both) Lee is not a bad way to go. I don't have any experience with the handloader presses so can't attest to those.

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PAGunner
12-02-2011, 12:50
I use a Lee Challenger single stage press and it has performed great. If your on a budget or tight on space (or both) Lee is not a bad way to go. I don't have any experience with the handloader presses so can't attest to those.

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Not really a budget issue, I'd be willing to pay for a quality system, but I need something portable, I cannot have anything fixed, just doesn't work for condo living.

PAGunner
12-02-2011, 12:55
As to rolling your own SD rounds, well I'm with RPGman. I reload but purchase factory for SD. Many people do, but I prefer not to be raked over the coals by some liberal lawyer. YMMV. There are plenty of good offers from manufactures for SD and once you reload it is very easy to produce the same or similar ammo for practice.

as long as you handload to the guidelines of the books, I can't imagine how a "liberal lawyer" could rake you over the coals for handloading. There are at least a million reasons someone would wanna handload, and if it's an issue with "hot ammo" the liberal lawyer can say anything he wants but will look dumb doing so, so let them try. Justified deadly force is justified, no such thing is deadlier deadly force, and we're talking about handguns, which are inherently weak stoppers compared to a shotgun or rifle, even in a magnum flavor. My life is worth too much to me to sacrifice stopping power if I ever justifiably need to use a weapon in self defense.

IndyGunFreak
12-02-2011, 12:56
Not really a budget issue, I'd be willing to pay for a quality system, but I need something portable, I cannot have anything fixed, just doesn't work for condo living.

Get a Single stage press (Lee Classic Cast, or an RCBS Rock Chucker)... If you really wanna get fancy, get a Lee classic turret (that's what I would do..). Whatever press you get, anchor it to a piece of plywood. When you want to load, c-clamp it to the table, when done reloading, unclamp and put in the closet.

This is another option... Bolt your press of choice to the top, when done with it, lay it flat on the floor of a closet, and it will be "reasonably" out of the way. You can also use the c-clamp/plywood method here to if you like.

http://www.amazon.com/Black-Decker-WM425-550-Pound-Workbench/dp/B0000224R9/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1322855703&sr=8-3

I'm also of the mindset, it is much smarter to buy factory self defense loads, than roll my own. I have every confidence I could roll accurate and reliable ammunition.

IndyGunFreak
12-02-2011, 13:02
as long as you handload to the guidelines of the books, I can't imagine how a "liberal lawyer" could rake you over the coals for handloading. There are at least a million reasons someone would wanna handload, and if it's an issue with "hot ammo" the liberal lawyer can say anything he wants but will look dumb doing so, so let them try. Justified deadly force is justified, no such thing is deadlier deadly force, and we're talking about handguns, which are inherently weak stoppers compared to a shotgun or rifle, even in a magnum flavor. My life is worth too much to me to sacrifice stopping power if I ever justifiably need to use a weapon in self defense.

In a black and white world, justified deadly force is justified... if you live in a black and white world however, you're living on the land of Oz. You don't have to be a master of Google to find stories of prosecutors on a witch hunt. If you want some examples, pick up a copy of Combat Handguns, and read Massad Ayoob's "Self Defense and the Law".

The problem is evidentiary (GSR, ballistics, etc..). If you're using a factory load, experts can be called to testify to the fact with proven data on why a certain round performed in a certain way, why GSR was patterned how it was, etc..

With your handloads, this simply cannot be done.

I'm not saying don't do it, that's your decision. I'd research a few of Massad's posts on this matter and give it a lot of thought.

IGF

TN.Frank
12-02-2011, 13:19
+1 on using C-Clamps to mount a single stage press to a table without having to drill holes in the table.
+1 on using Factory ammo for SD, a sharp lawyer could take you apart in court by saying that you were just itching to shoot someone, so much so that you hand crafted loads just for that reason. With Factory ammo he can't touch you with that argument.
+1 on saving money on some of the less popular calibers like .357Sig, 10mm, ect. They're no more expensive to load for then a 9x19mm or 40S&W, maybe just a bit more powder but that's it.
There are some hand presses on the market that use standard dies, hit the Midway USA site and see what you can come up with. Basic stuff would be a Press, Dies(get the Lee and you'll have a shell holder and powder dipper) and a good loading book. You can add a scale, powder measure and calipers at a later date.
Reloading ammo isn't all that hard, you just need to pay attention to what you're doing and take your time.

ron59
12-02-2011, 14:24
Only thing I'd reiterate is the advice to wait until you have some pretty solid experience before wandering into the "as hot as I can get it" territory.

Breadman03
12-02-2011, 14:49
I mounted a RCBS Rockchucker Supreme to a 2*8 and used wood clamps to attach it to my dining room table. It worked well for me, and all I had to do was unclamp it to store in the garage.

chemcmndr
12-02-2011, 16:10
Don't quote me on this, but if I remember correctly, the Lee classic loader kits do not fully resize the brass like a resizing die would. I believe they act more like a neck sizing die. What this boils down to is that for bottle neck rounds, the brass will only fit into the chamber that it was originally fired in. Also, with just the Lee classic loader kits, you seem a bit more limited in the variations that you can do with the loads and it seems like they are a bit slower than a regular press. If anything, I would try the Breech Lock Hand Press. It's small enough that you could have a whole reloading setup in a tool bag and still takes standard dies, so if you decide to upgrade, you will have a lot of the equipment already, plus you still have a hand press for small batches.

But, to answer your questions:

1. Looking at Lee's website, there aren't any Lee Classic Loader Kits in any of the 3 calibers you mentioned.
2. Moot point
3. From a reliability standpoint, I would trust my 124 +P 9mm Gold Dot clones I made, but I still carry factory to alleviate any potential legal ramifications.

PAGunner
12-02-2011, 17:27
2. Moot point

why is number 2 a moot point? Isn't crimping important for avoiding bullet setback and over pressure? What am I missing forgive me, but I'm about as much of a newb when it comes to reloading as one can be.

Colorado4Wheel
12-02-2011, 17:46
Roll crimp is used in Revolver calibers. It does prevent bullet setback.

Taper Crimping in Pistol simply removes the flare. It does nothing to prevent setback. That is prevented by proper bullet tension (provided by proper sizing die).

dkf
12-02-2011, 17:59
With .357sig and 10mm I want hottest ammo I can carry, like buffalo bore, underwood, DT level hot.I had that idea also with .357sig. Then I experienced some bullet setback with standard 1350fps rounds loading under max and I thought differently. When loaded below max a little setback may be ok but with loads at the max that same amount of setback can cause a Kaboom and ruin weekend.

I havn't seen the Lee Loader in .357sig, 10mm or .45 GAP. Even if they were available I sure wouldn't load ammo to the max with them.

Don't quote me on this, but if I remember correctly, the Lee classic loader kits do not fully resize the brass like a resizing die would. I believe they act more like a neck sizing die.

Pretty sure they full length size the auto pistol calibers. I think the rifle rounds are neck sized.

PAGunner
12-02-2011, 18:24
Taper Crimping in Pistol simply removes the flare. It does nothing to prevent setback. That is prevented by proper bullet tension (provided by proper sizing die).

So what is the point of crimping? I thought I remember reading somewhere on this forum crimping did help prevent setback, and the caliber being discussed was .357sig.

dkf
12-02-2011, 18:47
The taper crimp removes the flare that is used to guide the bullet for seating as he said. A taper crimp is different from a roll crimp like you would find on a .357mag round.

LZHome
12-02-2011, 19:49
As for being portable: I took my Dillon 550 and mounted it on a 2x8 about 24 inches in length. I place this on a sturdy counter top or bench and use two c-clamps to secure it.

I have been doing this for years and it works great since I am now reloading in the garage which is too damp to leave my press there overnight so I just bring it inside and place it in the closet.

The Dillon is an upscale compated to the Lee but those of us that have one would not use anything else.

thorn137
12-02-2011, 20:07
Get a real press. Single-stage or progressive - either is fine for a new user. Most major brands are great choices, too.

Skip things that look like a nut cracker.

thorn

Colorado4Wheel
12-02-2011, 20:32
So what is the point of crimping? I thought I remember reading somewhere on this forum crimping did help prevent setback, and the caliber being discussed was .357sig.

Crimping is done to remove the flare you made. I can't imagine why .357 sig would be any different, but I don't load it. Deforming the bullet via crimping is going to hurt bullet tension not help it.

ignantmike
12-03-2011, 05:27
i have a lee single stage press mounted to a 2x4.....recessed the bolt heads on the bottom of the wood and i clamp it to a table.....don't use the lee scale you get when you buy the kit....it suck's...get a dillon beam scale.....best 55 bucks i spent....i load 9mm and 10mm on it.....i use the lee powder throw...but, i'm not crazy about it....i will be upgrading to a rcbs with micrometer adjustment.....hope this help's.....p.s i use longshot powder for 10mm:supergrin:.....


http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g72/ignantmike/april102010389.jpg

Hawker Man
12-03-2011, 07:04
http://leeprecision.com/xcart/Breech-Lock-Hand-Press.html
This and any dies you want and you are in business.

IndyGunFreak
12-03-2011, 09:09
I still think the hand press is a bad idea. Get a Classic Turret, or a Lee Classic cast single stage.. and you'll be FAR better served.

TN.Frank
12-03-2011, 09:21
This is the press that I've been using for almost 20 years and it's never let me down.
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/64430
The price has gone up a bit since I bought mine but it's still a good price on just about all the single stage press you'll need.

PAGunner
12-03-2011, 14:00
i have a lee single stage press mounted to a 2x4.....recessed the bolt heads on the bottom of the wood and i clamp it to a table.....don't use the lee scale you get when you buy the kit....it suck's...get a dillon beam scale.....best 55 bucks i spent....i load 9mm and 10mm on it.....i use the lee powder throw...but, i'm not crazy about it....i will be upgrading to a rcbs with micrometer adjustment.....hope this help's.....p.s i use longshot powder for 10mm:supergrin:.....


http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g72/ignantmike/april102010389.jpg

That holds pretty well with the c-clamps? That might not be a bad idea for me.

Do you think a Dillon 550 could be rigged this way?

nismochasse
12-03-2011, 14:44
I have pretty much the same setup as ignantmike except I used a thinner board to c-clamp the press to the table. I haven't been reloading long but it seems to be working very well. I also have the Dillon scale. The Lee scale sucks.

PAGunner
12-03-2011, 14:57
I still think the hand press is a bad idea. Get a Classic Turret, or a Lee Classic cast single stage.. and you'll be FAR better served.

Why would hand press be a bad idea? Time issue? Quality of cartridge issue or both? Time doesn't bother me, to be honest, if I got a single stage, progressive and attached it to wood that I could clamp to a table would be a big production right now. I don't currently live alone and really don't like people knowing my business. I could handload with a hand press with a little more stealth. Taking more time and getting a workout does not bother me at this point in my life, down the road perhaps, but it's not the main issue right now.

I want to be able to make quality cartridges for the range and SD on a reloader that can be set up quick and taken down.

Colorado4Wheel
12-03-2011, 16:23
Sounds like you made up your mind already. Nothing should be wrong/better/worse using a hand press or some other means. Sure you can do better, but it's a point of demenishing returns for a pistol and most people.

PAGunner
12-03-2011, 16:26
Sounds like you made up your mind already.

Not at all, I'm trying to gather information and make an informed decision. IDK which way I'm gonna go. I like the Lee Breech Hand Press idea, but information that would lead me to believe another route would produce better quality cartridges, I'd go that route. If it's just a time, effort, PITA issue, I'll go the Lee Breech route.

I need to learn a lot about reloading, so I'm going to buy the Speer reloading book I think, I wanna feel confident I know what I"m doing when I go to load my first round.

Colorado4Wheel
12-03-2011, 16:38
I edited the post before you noticed. Get the hand press. It's only $20. I would get a real press because of what I know about loading and MY level of tollerance. But you sound different then 99% of the world so get the hand press.

PAGunner
12-03-2011, 16:53
I edited the post before you noticed. Get the hand press. It's only $20. I would get a real press because of what I know about loading and MY level of tollerance. But you sound different then 99% of the world so get the hand press.

You picked up on that I see. I actually don't mind putting money into a nice super accurate scale, calipers, bullet tumbler, whatever, it's just that I have to adjust for my living situation. I'm a resident physician, so to keep my expenses down I have roomates, then on days off, I travel to my father's condo 1 hour away, and I can't just set up a reloading bench in the condo, that won't fly.

When I finish residency and get my own place, perhaps I'll invest on a system that will make my life easier handloading, but that day isn't today, simply not feasible for me right now.

Colorado4Wheel
12-03-2011, 17:15
Even if the hand press is not as nice as a dedicated single stage it sounds like it fit's your needs better. Don't worry about it making inferior ammo. The ammo is going to be better then "fine" if you do your part. Lyman makes some "tongs" that might load some of your calibers.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/891431/lyman-310-tool-handles-small

Colorado4Wheel
12-03-2011, 17:18
Opps, Lyman won't work for you. Lee seems to be the best option.

WiskyT
12-03-2011, 18:14
The Lee hand press works fine. The handles on it aren't the most comfortable so if you have hand issues, it could be a problem. If you have normal hands, like I'm guessing you would (relatively young?), it will work great.

It is a bit cumbersome, but you can do all of your loading and then store all of your tools in a cheap tool box. You can even lock the tool box to keep your roommates out of it. I've seen how drunk off-duty Drs. can get and you don't want someone making a frisbee out of your press.

The other advantage of the hand press is that you can load in your lap instead of on the table you eat off of.

I used a Lee hand press for a few years for similar reasons. Now it sits in my tool cabinet. It doesn't eat much and the $20.00 or so I paid for it has long since been amortized. Occasionally I bring it to my club to show others how to reload. I'm glad I still have it.

LZHome
12-03-2011, 19:15
That holds pretty well with the c-clamps? That might not be a bad idea for me.

Do you think a Dillon 550 could be rigged this way?

Here ya go. Works great!
http://www.cowboy6.com/a40/bench.jpg

DWARREN123
12-03-2011, 19:46
You can do everything needed with the Lee kit but I also think a single stage press may fit you better. Does not take much room for a single stage kit. I keep everything but the press in a large plastic tool box and set up to reload on a older computer desk.
Works well for me and I do quite a few rounds a month. :supergrin:

RYT 2BER
12-03-2011, 19:47
http://leeprecision.com/xcart/Breech-Lock-Hand-Press.html
This and any dies you want and you are in business.

This looks pretty cool and i watched a YouTube did.. looks like I could do it while watching TV... might have to pick one up...

Only problem is I shoot mostly 9mm at the range and I swear I can almost buy it for what it costs to reload it....

MadeInAmerica
12-03-2011, 19:52
Dillon or bust.

Colorado4Wheel
12-03-2011, 19:54
Only problem is I shoot mostly 9mm at the range and I swear I can almost buy it for what it costs to reload it....

Only if you do a really bad job buying components.:rofl:

RYT 2BER
12-03-2011, 20:39
Only if you do a really bad job buying components.:rofl:

Well I just looked and again I'm amazed.. it just looks crazy to reload 9mm.. the only way to make it worth your while is to lay out hundreds and hu dress of dollars to be able to amortize the cost per round down to a reasonable number...

Just looked on midway.. 100 round pack of just BRASS is over $20... I pay less than that for 100 rounds of completed factory 9mm ffrom federal at my local Wally...

WiskyT
12-03-2011, 20:40
Well I just looked and again I'm amazed.. it just looks crazy to reload 9mm.. the only way to make it worth your while is to lay out hundreds and hu dress of dollars to be able to amortize the cost per round down to a reasonable number...

Just looked on midway.. 100 round pack of just BRASS is over $20... I pay less than that for 100 rounds of completed factory 9mm ffrom federal at my local Wally...

9mm brass is free.

RYT 2BER
12-03-2011, 20:52
9mm brass is free.

I guess.. when i collect enough then I'll worry about it

Colorado4Wheel
12-03-2011, 21:13
Well I just looked and again I'm amazed.. it just looks crazy to reload 9mm.. the only way to make it worth your while is to lay out hundreds and hu dress of dollars to be able to amortize the cost per round down to a reasonable number...

Just looked on midway.. 100 round pack of just BRASS is over $20... I pay less than that for 100 rounds of completed factory 9mm ffrom federal at my local Wally...

Like I said do a horrible job buying components. You have to be nuts to buy 9mm brass by the hundred. Seriously? You buy brass by the 1k, Bullets by the case and primers by the 10's ok 1k's. People reloading 9mm are shooting enough of it to make that the only wise choice.

WiskyT
12-04-2011, 05:09
I guess.. when i collect enough then I'll worry about it

It's okay, you don't have to reload.

BK63
12-04-2011, 08:00
I could never go back to a single stage press after owning some progressive presses. I can go into my basement at night and load a couple hundred rounds taking my time in less than a half hour and then go catch a show on tv. By the weekend I have more ammo to shoot than I need.

There was a thread on here a while ago about not having much living space. Somebody had a setup they rolled into their closet. Whatever your situation, there is a way to make it work. Just start reloading as life is short. You will enjoy it.

chemcmndr
12-04-2011, 15:07
why is number 2 a moot point? Isn't crimping important for avoiding bullet setback and over pressure? What am I missing forgive me, but I'm about as much of a newb when it comes to reloading as one can be.

Your question was if it was possible to crimp with the lee classic loader kits, and you had mentioned .357 Sig specifically. Since Lee doesn't make a .357 SIG classic loader kit, crimping with one would be a moot point.

To elaborate a little bit more, crimping a round like .357 SIG to prevent setback is an important step. The min/max. OAL listed for that cartridge is 1.135" and 1.140", so not much wiggle room to play with.

dkf
12-04-2011, 17:11
The neck tension is what prevents setback on the .357sig round. You don't roll crimp .357sig.

Colorado4Wheel
12-04-2011, 17:42
The myth that taper crimpimg adds to bullet tension OR that it helps prevent bullet setback is so pervasive that it's really hard to dispell.

TN.Frank
12-04-2011, 17:56
The myth that taper crimpimg adds to bullet tension OR that it helps prevent bullet setback is so pervasive that it's really hard to dispell.

Not sure how much you taper crimp but I do it to the tune of about .005" and it actually cuts into the cast lead bullets that I'm using so it WILL stop the bullet from moving.

F106 Fan
12-04-2011, 18:01
Like I said do a horrible job buying components. You have to be nuts to buy 9mm brass by the hundred. Seriously? You buy brass by the 1k, Bullets by the case and primers by the 10's ok 1k's. People reloading 9mm are shooting enough of it to make that the only wise choice.

You will find some bullet manufacturers who realize the USPS Priority Mail "If it fits, it ships!" is the best deal going. They can load 3000+ bullets in a box and it ships for a flat rate. Of course, my letter carrier isn't such a fan...

Powder and primers are more of a problem. If your LGS doesn't have what you need, there is a $20 or $25 hazmat fee per shipment. To minimize the effect, you need to buy a LOT of powder and/or a case (5000) primers at one time.

Buying powder online is sometimes useful when you want to buy a variety of powders that your LGS just doesn't handle. Maybe get several different powders just to try them out.

I went to the store yesterday and bought 3# of powder and a case of primers. Yes, it will take a while to use them up (about 4400 rounds) but I have the stuff. If the shop runs out when I need stuff, then what?

Next time I will check to see if I can get a deal on an 8# keg + the fee. I used to buy 700-X in kegs when I was shooting a lot of 12 gauge shotgun. I just checked at Natchez Shooters Supply and their price on 700-X is MUCH lower than my LGS. Enough lower that next time I will just pay the fee.

Richard

IndyGunFreak
12-05-2011, 14:00
Like I said do a horrible job buying components. You have to be nuts to buy 9mm brass by the hundred. Seriously? You buy brass by the 1k, Bullets by the case and primers by the 10's ok 1k's. People reloading 9mm are shooting enough of it to make that the only wise choice.

Agree, I've never had to buy 9mm brass... can usually find it laying around at the range, or... my 9mm loads are fairly mild, so my brass lasts a while. When I run low, I just start searching want ads in gun forums, etc.. No way I'd use Midway.

If the brass is "mine" or picked up... I'm reloading 9mm for about 5.20 a box. There's no retail price that can touch that.

fredj338
12-05-2011, 16:10
This looks pretty cool and i watched a YouTube did.. looks like I could do it while watching TV... might have to pick one up...

Only problem is I shoot mostly 9mm at the range and I swear I can almost buy it for what it costs to reload it....

You don't reload watching tv, it's not sorting socks. You have to pay attention to detail or you will not be with us long.:whistling:
I built a very suitable reloading setup in a 2x3 coat closet in colleg. A single stage press is as low as I would go for any reloading task. You can get a Lee setup for under $200 w/ good scale & the Lee powder measure or yo ucan use the funky dippers, but again, there are always better choices.:dunno:

fredj338
12-05-2011, 16:12
Not sure how much you taper crimp but I do it to the tune of about .005" and it actually cuts into the cast lead bullets that I'm using so it WILL stop the bullet from moving.

If you are taper crimping thast much, you are damaging or resizing ther bullet & accuracy will suffer. If it's denting the bullet you have too much crimp. As noted, crimping does NOT solve bullet setback, proper neck tension does that.

fredj338
12-05-2011, 16:14
The neck tension is what prevents setback on the .357sig round. You don't roll crimp .357sig.

You actually could roll crimp, if the bullet had a cannelure. The round doesn't headspace on the case mouth as reported by many, but it actually headspaces on the small shoulder, so it is possible, but not likely that you could roll crimp.

Colorado4Wheel
12-05-2011, 16:20
Not sure how much you taper crimp but I do it to the tune of about .005" and it actually cuts into the cast lead bullets that I'm using so it WILL stop the bullet from moving.

I should have said "proper taper crimp". Your not supposed to deform the bullet with your taper crimp. To much taper crimp can also reduce neck tension. That is actually just as likely if not more like when you go overboard with crimp.

wdphillips
12-08-2011, 09:46
i have a lee single stage press mounted to a 2x4.....recessed the bolt heads on the bottom of the wood and i clamp it to a table.....don't use the lee scale you get when you buy the kit....it suck's...get a dillon beam scale.....best 55 bucks i spent....i load 9mm and 10mm on it.....i use the lee powder throw...but, i'm not crazy about it....i will be upgrading to a rcbs with micrometer adjustment.....hope this help's.....p.s i use longshot powder for 10mm:supergrin:.....


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GioaJack
12-08-2011, 09:57
I always have the WILL... but without Viagra there just ain't no WAY.

So much for your theory. :whistling:


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