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MartinRiggs1987
12-04-2011, 22:33
357 Sig, 10mm; those Glock semi-autos, used for inside home defense? Does the high screech of the G31, G32, and G33 make you think twice about carrying it for edc? What about a G20 or G29? Any of them placed in your home for self-defense? I have a G32, but given my experience, I'm not convinced of the advantage. Is the noise worth it? Inside?

whitebread
12-04-2011, 22:41
If you are shooting while carrying, the last thing I would worry about is the noise.

ChicagoZman
12-04-2011, 22:47
Have tinnitus as a result of a ND in the same room as me two years ago from a .40. Still, if it was to save my life or that of a loved one, I would not regret the hearing loss.

Glock40man
12-04-2011, 22:50
Hmm.... The 357 SIG is a loud round but, I wouldn't worry about it. Any round is loud when fired inside a structure.

Opie 1 Kenopie
12-04-2011, 23:16
Another MartinRiggs Classic. Good Lord...

District18
12-04-2011, 23:36
Another MartinRiggs Classic. Good Lord...

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

MartinRiggs1987
12-05-2011, 04:12
Another MartinRiggs Classic. Good Lord...Another Opie 1 Kenopie Response. At least I can count on that... :whistling:

Seriously though, have you ever shot 357 Sig? It is seriously louder than about any semi-auto caliber I have used. In a close setting, your ears would be near deaf after discharging your piece in a defense situation (more than 9mm or 40). I was merely asking, if that was a factor in carrying or not carrying a 357 Sig. And you can go farther, and ask if that's a motivation not to mess with the caliber. There is a reason besides expense to why it isn't more widely used, and the bang is a legitimate one. Home invasion, 357 Sig on the headboard, and you have to use it in a small bedroom or living room, you would have permanent hearing damage. No doubt... The thing is brutal even with hearing protection when shooting it outside.

This was a thought-out question.

MartinRiggs1987
12-05-2011, 05:15
Another Opie 1 Kenopie Response. At least I can count on that... :whistling:

Seriously though, have you ever shot 357 Sig? It is seriously louder than about any semi-auto caliber I have used. In a close setting, your ears would be near deaf after discharging your piece in a defense situation (more than 9mm or 40). I was merely asking, if that was a factor in carrying or not carrying a 357 Sig. And you can go farther, and ask if that's a motivation not to mess with the caliber. There is a reason besides expense to why it isn't more widely used, and the bang is a legitimate one. Home invasion, 357 Sig on the headboard, and you have to use it in a small bedroom or living room, you would have permanent hearing damage. No doubt... The thing is brutal even with hearing protection shooting when it outside.


This was a thought-out question.And given what it is, 10mm would be another, let me think about this again, defense choice for inside the home.

uc1twinbee
12-05-2011, 05:24
Another MartinRiggs Classic. Good Lord...

Over and over again!!!:yawn:

leeward419
12-05-2011, 05:29
I would think it may be quieter than a shotgun? anyone know? I use my G32 as EDC and HD. It has more mag capacity than my 45 and more powerful than my 9mm

Bruce M
12-05-2011, 06:22
Another MartinRiggs Classic. Good Lord...

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:


Now all I need is an Alfred thread...

unit1069
12-05-2011, 08:22
357 Sig, 10mm; those Glock semi-autos, used for inside home defense? Does the high screech of the G31, G32, and G33 make you think twice about carrying it for edc? What about a G20 or G29? Any of them placed in your home for self-defense? I have a G32, but given my experience, I'm not convinced of the advantage. Is the noise worth it? Inside?

Do you have any sources from LEO agencies who issue .357sig or 10mm indicating that ear plugs are required before drawing those duty pistols?

There's always a concern for hearing when firing a gun, but if it was as serious as you appear to make it I'm sure we'd have read or heard something of the danger these specific calibers hold for those who carry them.

reel1
12-05-2011, 08:27
Well, at least everyone will be blind and deaf if you have to use the gun inside for defense. Especilly the 10mm! sleep in dark glasses and earmuffs:wow:

SauerChoi
12-05-2011, 08:30
screech? What screech is the OP talking about?

DRAGON1970
12-05-2011, 08:38
Why don't you just carry a slingshot if you are worried about "screech".

Texcowboy
12-05-2011, 08:42
Another MartinRiggs Classic. Good Lord...

+ 100:rofl::rofl:

Quentin
12-05-2011, 09:01
Well at least you can get a .40 barrel for the G32. Pretty cheap solution to tone down the noise, have access to cheaper more plentiful ammo and have two calibers. I'm thinking of going the opposite way with my G23 to have both calibers.

ronin.45
12-05-2011, 09:26
I don't think there is enough difference to worry about. Firing any gun indoors without protection will do damage. I don't think the .357 will be much worse than anything else. You could always put a can on it if it worries you that much.

1canvas
12-05-2011, 09:34
i can see the OPs point and it is something i have thought about also. i think you have to decide if the performance of the round over a .45 or something is worth it. the 357sig shooting a 125 HST or GD @ 1350 - 1400fps is a pretty potent round that strikes a very conclusive blow.
i would have to think that being on the muzzle end of a 32 or 29 when it goes off would have a psychological effect on the bad guy to your atvantage.
i also have hearing damage, with that ringing that never goes away, ever. but if i had that ringing from successfully saving my life it would be worth it.
so to the OP, its something you just have to weigh out. does the atvantage of the sig round over others worth it? also would the sig round really damage your hearing that much more than a 9mm or .40 shot indoors?

MartinRiggs1987
12-05-2011, 14:18
i can see the OPs point and it is something i have thought about also. i think you have to decide if the performance of the round over a .45 or something is worth it. the 357sig shooting a 125 HST or GD @ 1350 - 1400fps is a pretty potent round that strikes a very conclusive blow.
i would have to think that being on the muzzle end of a 32 or 29 when it goes off would have a psychological effect on the bad guy to your atvantage.
i also have hearing damage, with that ringing that never goes away, ever. but if i had that ringing from successfully saving my life it would be worth it.
so to the OP, its something you just have to weigh out. does the atvantage of the sig round over others worth it? also would the sig round really damage your hearing that much more than a 9mm or .40 shot indoors?That's what I was going for. I've already decided it's worth it. The F.P.S. of the round is a virtual one-stop drop for any home invader. So's .45 if handled correctly. Its just I heard discussions of this, I have .357 Sig, and have noticed even more so than 10mm, having felt more ringing and the being in a rock concert effect with 357 Sig, than with 9mm, 40 S&W, and like I said 10mm. So I wanted to run that concern by, and I apologize for any inconvenience my question raised.

Thanks.

xmanhockey7
12-05-2011, 17:26
Police officer I know who was in an actual shootout says he can't remember hearing any gun shots because his adrenaline was pumping so hard.

Angry Fist
12-05-2011, 17:36
Don't worry about it. Your ass is supposed to be more valuable than your ears. If you trust a .357 or 10mm, forget about the side effects.

twisty
12-05-2011, 18:58
I haven't shot a .357 sig indoors, yet, (I'll open a window and do it tonight when I get home), but I have shot more than a few 5.56 rounds indoors in very small little room, no ear plugs or anything...long story short...I'm fine. It didn't hurt my ears at the time. It may cause me to be a little more hard of hearing a little sooner than I would have been otherwise, but it should be OK. I tend to find that when having to shoot in an inclosed room loud reports from your firearms don't bother you as much possibly due to the adrenaline/excitement of it taking place. 9mm's don't sound like much at all in a bedroom, .40's are about the same and .45 is fairly tame as well. .357 sig does have a pretty good crack to it when it goes off, but certainly not worse than a 7.62x39 or 5.56 and I have shot both of those indoors. Don't worry, if it ever comes down to you having to pull the trigger for real indoors you won't even notice the big bang, too much other stuff will be going through your mind at the time.

twisty
12-05-2011, 19:01
Police officer I know who was in an actual shootout says he can't remember hearing any gun shots because his adrenaline was pumping so hard.

This man speaks the truth...been there done that, you don't really notice or remember any of the noise when it happens.

Brian Lee
12-05-2011, 19:20
Police officer I know who was in an actual shootout says he can't remember hearing any gun shots because his adrenaline was pumping so hard.

If he had suffered any permanent hearing loss I'll bet he'd remember it, and THAT'S what the point is.

Damage still occurs even if you don't remember hearing the noise. Just like if you're too excited by the scary circumstances to feel the pain of an injury right at first, you're still bleeding whether you noticed the blood or not.

This is why I strongly support the use of suppressors, but the .357 Sig doesn't silence well anyway because it's supersonic. The OP should consider a 9MM with sub sonic ammo and a decent can as the best answer to the whole issue of indoor HD.

I've got a G20 with a 9x25MM Dillon barrel and I'd almost rather face a perp with a pocket full of rocks than shoot that thing indoors.

ODG23
12-05-2011, 21:19
In 1996 my grandfather fired a .357 magnum indoors to stop a burglar. He never complained about the noise. Firing any gun inside or outside without hearing protection will do permanent damage, but if your life is on the line, that's about the least of your worries.

twisty
12-05-2011, 21:20
If he had suffered any permanent hearing loss I'll bet he'd remember it, and THAT'S what the point is.

Damage still occurs even if you don't remember hearing the noise. Just like if you're too excited by the scary circumstances to feel the pain of an injury right at first, you're still bleeding whether you noticed the blood or not.

This is why I strongly support the use of suppressors, but the .357 Sig doesn't silence well anyway because it's supersonic. The OP should consider a 9MM with sub sonic ammo and a decent can as the best answer to the whole issue of indoor HD.

I've got a G20 with a 9x25MM Dillon barrel and I'd almost rather face a perp with a pocket full of rocks than shoot that thing indoors.

Or...you could just realize that shooting someone indoors is probably not a frequent occurance and you could just man-up and do it without worrying about it. Yeah you might get some hearing damage later on, but I would think the point of this argument is that the thing will not be so loud as to hinder your shooting ability.

MartinRiggs1987
12-05-2011, 22:46
I haven't shot a .357 sig indoors, yet, (I'll open a window and do it tonight when I get home), but I have shot more than a few 5.56 rounds indoors in very small little room, no ear plugs or anything...long story short...I'm fine. It didn't hurt my ears at the time. It may cause me to be a little more hard of hearing a little sooner than I would have been otherwise, but it should be OK. I tend to find that when having to shoot in an inclosed room loud reports from your firearms don't bother you as much possibly due to the adrenaline/excitement of it taking place. 9mm's don't sound like much at all in a bedroom, .40's are about the same and .45 is fairly tame as well. .357 sig does have a pretty good crack to it when it goes off, but certainly not worse than a 7.62x39 or 5.56 and I have shot both of those indoors. Don't worry, if it ever comes down to you having to pull the trigger for real indoors you won't even notice the big bang, too much other stuff will be going through your mind at the time.Let me know, how the experiment went. I agree 5.56 and 7.62 trump it in a second.

Maine1
12-06-2011, 04:12
A non-issue. I carry a 10mm. Have shot a 45 and a 308 inside, an one a few ocasions without ear protection. if you are in a defensive situation, you'll be fine.

Ever shoot a deer when you were a kid? Do you remember the recoil, the report, or just getting the deer?

dosei
12-06-2011, 06:57
357 Sig, 10mm; those Glock semi-autos, used for inside home defense? Does the high screech of the G31, G32, and G33 make you think twice about carrying it for edc? What about a G20 or G29? Any of them placed in your home for self-defense? I have a G32, but given my experience, I'm not convinced of the advantage. Is the noise worth it? Inside?

If hearing damage/loss is your driving concern then you have 3 options...No Gun, Pellet Gun, or save up for a suppressor. Even the 22 can/will cause hearing damage/loss when fired indoors. Intentionally shooting a gun indoors without hearing protection as a "test" to see if it hurts your ears is more foolish than shooting yourself with the gun to see if it is a viable caliber for SD...since hearing loss never "heals" or has any treatment or means of repair, while gun shot wounds do.

LApm9
12-06-2011, 18:16
Now all I need is an Alfred thread...

The OP is talking about the screech that a bear makes when you point a weapon at him/her in an enclosed space...

FireForged
12-07-2011, 12:02
what db difference are we talking about... gun fire inside a home is going to be really loud, no matter what cal you are using. I dont understand the screeech thing.

Bill Lumberg
12-11-2011, 06:50
No big benefit to the caliber. No big sound concern when firing indoors versus, say, .40. Indoors, without hearing protection, both rounds are incredibly loud. They sound different, not so much different in loudness, but in pitch.

S&WShooter
12-11-2011, 23:44
This is a pretty ridiculous post, I think the general idea is, so what? If you have to use your firearm you have MUCH bigger problems then hearing loss over a few shots fired indoors. A more pertinent question about the more powerful rounds in an indoors setting are over penetration and recoil management, is the projectile going to pass through bad guy, into other rooms that are occupied? Can you manage the recoil enough to get off accurate/fast followups? If your scared of the noise get some pepper spray.