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XDRoX
12-12-2011, 22:39
I know that any 9mm 16" barreled carbine is designed to shoot the same ammo as any 9mm but here's my question.

If I wanted to maximize accuracy what would it take?
Slower or faster powders?
Lighter or heavier bullets?
Faster or slower velocities?

Thanks.

EL_NinO619
12-12-2011, 22:40
Higher Velocity, Medium Powder, Just like Rifle..

fredj338
12-13-2011, 00:18
For best accuraqcy, always look to the bulklet first. I would think you get sim accuracy whether high or low vel. Any pistol powder you use, even something really slow like AA#7, it's gonna burn completely in 12 of bbl.

freakshow10mm
12-13-2011, 00:39
#7 was developed for carbines.

Depending on the platform, Major 124gr might be ideal.

creophus
12-13-2011, 08:28
I've found that my 16" HiPoint Carbine (don't laugh it's really accurate) shoots every load just a bit better than all of my 9mm pistols. If the load groups well in the pistols, it does even better in the carbine. I've used Titegroup and PowerPistol and really haven't found a "bad" load yet.

HAMMERHEAD
12-13-2011, 16:52
For my Marlin and my friend's single shot T/C, the recipe is the same for accuracy (not looking for max velocity). The Hornady 125 grain HAP over SR 7625. Universal is also great in 9mm carbines.

PhantomF4E
12-13-2011, 19:19
I've found that my 16" HiPoint Carbine (don't laugh it's really accurate) shoots every load just a bit better than all of my 9mm pistols. If the load groups well in the pistols, it does even better in the carbine. I've used Titegroup and PowerPistol and really haven't found a "bad" load yet.
Anyone laughs let them. Mine is pretty darn accurate as well with the right load. I got hornady xtp's in 147 gn to fly out of the ugly little gun with pretty amazing accuracy out to 100yds

creophus
12-14-2011, 10:44
Anyone laughs let them. Mine is pretty darn accurate as well with the right load. I got hornady xtp's in 147 gn to fly out of the ugly little gun with pretty amazing accuracy out to 100yds

Glad I'm not the only one. I can hit golf balls at 30 yards with 4.2 gr Titegroup under a 115gr FMJ Precision Delta bullet.

XDRoX
12-14-2011, 11:24
The Hi-Point is actually what I just bought as well. I've been wanting a 9mm carbine for some time and keep reading great reviews of the Hi-Point. Lot's of youtube videos giving it praises as well. I just couldn't pass it up for the cost. It's not pretty, but fun and reliable from what I've heard. I pick it up next week.

http://www.ddsranch.com/cart/images/hipoint995ts.jpg

fredj338
12-14-2011, 12:32
Why not get a 9mm upper for your AR?

creophus
12-14-2011, 12:40
Why not get a 9mm upper for your AR?

The HiPoint is cheaper and you have another gun, not just a conversion.

fredj338
12-14-2011, 13:53
The HiPoint is cheaper and you have another gun, not just a conversion.

Well yes, but I liek the idea of the same familiar platform & just swap an upper, plus no registration & waiting.:supergrin:

GioaJack
12-14-2011, 13:59
Registration, waiting... what communist country is this you speak of? :dunno:


Jack

XDRoX
12-14-2011, 14:05
Why not get a 9mm upper for your AR?

Ya I considered that for a while. The problem was that it was more expensive and 9mm uppers are not as reliable as the Hi-Point.

I just keep reading so many good reviews of this Hi-Point, I just had to see what the hype was about.

creophus
12-14-2011, 14:15
Registration, waiting... what communist country is this you speak of? :dunno:


Jack
A good question, but I suspect it's a Cali thing.
Ya I considered that for a while. The problem was that it was more expensive and 9mm uppers are not as reliable as the Hi-Point.

I just keep reading so many good reviews of this Hi-Point, I just had to see what the hype was about.

+1 I've never had a hiccup from the HiPoint.

unclebob
12-14-2011, 14:15
Anyone laughs let them. Mine is pretty darn accurate as well with the right load. I got hornady xtp's in 147 gn to fly out of the ugly little gun with pretty amazing accuracy out to 100yds

Donít know why but in the Speer #14 reloading manual. It has a note that says that 147gr. bullets are not recommended with barrels that are longer than 10 inches.

creophus
12-14-2011, 14:17
Donít know why but in the Speer #14 reloading manual. It has a note that says that 147gr. bullets are not recommended with barrels that are longer than 10 inches.

I ran 147gr lead through my HiPoint with no problem. Used PowerPistol & Titegroup and all went well.

unclebob
12-14-2011, 14:25
I ran 147gr lead through my HiPoint with no problem. Used PowerPistol & Titegroup and all went well.

You might have, but I think I would find out why they recommended not using 147gr bullets.

fredj338
12-14-2011, 15:19
You might have, but I think I would find out why they recommended not using 147gr bullets.

With less than full power loads there is a risk of the bullet lodging in the bbl. Not likely, but it's always about CYA.

PhantomF4E
12-14-2011, 20:06
Donít know why but in the Speer #14 reloading manual. It has a note that says that 147gr. bullets are not recommended with barrels that are longer than 10 inches.
Might be for pressure concerns, but the Hi-point is rated +p and my routine range loads aren't even close to max pressure. I have run some through it (apocalypse loads) that are running hot, I put a couple hundred through it with no issues. They sure seem to fly well. I load 115's and 124's in 9mm as well I just got the XTP's for a song and tried them out. Haven't run either of the 147 loads across the Chrony yet

unclebob
12-14-2011, 20:22
I would still find out why the 147 is ruled out by Speer. They also in there #13 manual not to not to reduce 147 grain bullets below 3.3 with TiteGroup, With any gun.

XDRoX
12-14-2011, 20:32
I would still find out why the 147 is ruled out by Speer. They also in there #13 manual not to not to reduce 147 grain bullets below 3.3 with TiteGroup, With any gun.

I think Fred's on the money. Usually when data says not to reduce, it's a fancy way of saying, the bullet may get lodged in the barrel, isn't it?

I've run into this a lot with jacketed bullets in 38spl. Lots of do not reduce loads in fear of a squib. It's actually hard to find a wide range of data in 38spl with jacketed bullets.

uzimon
12-14-2011, 20:32
I got great results from 147gr fmj from an uzi semi. Really soft shooting

unclebob
12-14-2011, 20:42
I think Fred's on the money. Usually when data says not to reduce, it's a fancy way of saying, the bullet may get lodged in the barrel, isn't it?

I've run into this a lot with jacketed bullets in 38spl. Lots of do not reduce loads in fear of a squib. It's actually hard to find a wide range of data in 38spl with jacketed bullets.

Then why is not with other powders for the 3.3 grains of TiteGroup? Why isn't 135 gr bullets also listed? with barrels longer than 10" Its says nothing about how much powder is use with the 147gr bullet just not to use it with barrels 10" or longer. If I was wanting to shoot 147gr. bullets out of a 10" or longer barrel I personally would want to know why. Not it could be this or it could be that.

gforester
12-14-2011, 20:56
I just ran some 147 grain moly coated truncated cone Precision Bullets through my Beretta CX4 carbine today. I was using charges 3.2 and 3.4 grains of Unique with a OAL of 1.060".

My average velocity with 3.2 grains was 938fps. and 958fps with 3.4 grains.

I could hit the center of mass of a silhouette target at 100 yards without any difficulty using just a red dot sight.

PhantomF4E
12-14-2011, 21:42
I loaded my 147 xtp's with 3.5grains of N320 OAL 1.142 0 defects in any of my 9's including the carbine. The hotties are at 4gns same oal. I'm betting you could work up from there a smidge they even felt soft. No pressure signs on the brass no flat primers. accurate little buggars. I'd like to see if they expand at all though, doubt much .