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Tim151515
12-28-2011, 20:18
Ok, for some backround, I am 24 and just within the past several years..well...since I joined the military and became a fulltime taxpaying citizen, became interested in politics. Now, this is something I always kinda noticed but never put much thought into. But, pretty much all of the shows that I have always really really liked and got a good kick out of(family guy, american dad, tosh, etc etc..) are extremely politically slanted. For instance, on Family Guy tonight they went back in time to ww2 times..and a Nazi was wearing a "McCain/Palin" button. that almost made me spit out my soda in shock.

Now, this isn't something that is going to make me stop watching these shows, I mean, I love to laugh and they normally help me accomplish that. But it made me get to thinking about when I was a kid watching these things and the way conservatives were portreyed by the media was basicly fat old white guys that only care about themselves. Then I started really getting into the actual politics and, when I thought I was liberal, after educating myself on the issues and goals for each party I realized that I am far from it.

That leads me to this, and I don't want this to start into a flaming war, I mean, I have friends that are liberal, and some of them were even good soldiers. But I also know A LOT of people around my age that are liberals that don't know anything about the issues or platforms of either side. All they know is Obama has a nice smile and if your white and don't vote for him you racist, if your black and you don't vote for him your an Uncle Tom, and if youre conservative your a super racist redneck who burns crosses and likes long walks on the beach with his cousin.

I have no problem with people studying the issues and then deciding the route that they want to take..but am I the only one that is troubled that such a high volume of young voters get there only information on how they are voting towards our country from entertainment tv shows and campaign ads? Like I said, I have no problem if people are educated and believe the Liberal Way is the best way to take our country, but I think it should be based on more than jokes and soundbites.

Gunboat1
12-29-2011, 21:42
Liberalism = jokes, soundbites and lies. They've got nothing else.

alba666
12-29-2011, 22:15
Liberalism = jokes, soundbites and lies. They've got nothing else.

Except playing the race card for the win.


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Rally Vincent
12-31-2011, 22:10
Try not to get too deep into politics. I mean, unless you're rich enough to make a difference in the political world.

hilljo
01-13-2012, 18:40
It will bother you more as you get older.

When you get old and decrepit like me you won't even be able to watch TV news anymore.

dango
02-21-2012, 19:09
Liberalism = jokes, soundbites and lies. They've got nothing else.

They've got something,an opinion and a vote.they may also have your back. It's amazing how equal we are under the right circumstances .

Don't be blinded by others , be your own man.

Gunboat1
02-22-2012, 06:55
They've got something,an opinion and a vote.they may also have your back. It's amazing how equal we are under the right circumstances .

Don't be blinded by others , be your own man.

Libs are killing America. They don't "have my back". They are the problem.

Fred Hansen
02-22-2012, 16:44
I have no problem with people studying the issues and then deciding the route that they want to take..but am I the only one that is troubled that such a high volume of young voters get there only information on how they are voting towards our country from entertainment tv shows and campaign ads? Like I said, I have no problem if people are educated and believe the Liberal Way is the best way to take our country, but I think it should be based on more than jokes and soundbites.Then the thing to do with the friends that you think are liberals, is to ask them--without being confrontational--on what do they base their liberal beliefs? 9 times out of 10 (or more) I think you will find that they have no idea themselves.

You say you are 24; since most people in your age group attended public indoctrination camp, i.e. public school, for 13 years (K-12) they will have spent a substantial portion of more than half of their lives immersed in an environment rife with liberalism. Teacher's unions are among the most notoriously full-tilt liberal organizations in America, but don't take my word for it, do your own research, and examine their stated positions, and most importantly, examine the party on which they spend the bulk of their campaign contributions.

Scratch just a tiny bit deeper, and discover John Dewey (http://www.marxists.org/archive/novack/works/1960/x03.htm) the man seen by many as the person most responsible for the modern educational system. Then ask yourself how a child taught in a system invented by a Marxist (Dewey), and babysat by the one-eyed child molester we call television, is going to form beliefs contrary to liberalism.

Most importantly of all, ask yourself why you believe what you do. On what are your beliefs based? For me personally, I find history and philosophy to be of primary importance. From a historical perspective we can easily document the abject failure of communist/socialist/progressive regimes. No one--with the exception of those who are completely amoral--can make a cogent philosophical argument for communism/socialism IF they are also held to account for what those regimes have actually done to their own people. Throw the historical realities, e.g. starvation, mass-murder, political oppression, into the face of your average liberal, and invariably they will protest that the right nanny-state just hasn't been achieved yet. They will also likely say that this time HopeyChangey is really going to work.

For a historical perspective on freedom and liberty I would suggest, The Teaching Company: History of Freedom 18 Audio Cds with Course Outline Booklet (The Great Courses) [Audio CD]
J. Rufus Fears (Author, Narrator) (http://www.amazon.com/Teaching-Company-History-Freedom-Outline/dp/1565853555/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1329949907&sr=1-6)

You may also be able to find it at your local library. Find out why freedom is of ultimate importance to humankind; you won't regret it. Dr. Fears' other works are also outstanding; I recommend all of them.

dalegates
02-22-2012, 16:46
Libs are killing America. They don't "have my back". They are the problem.

Blind allegiance is also a problem.

Fred Hansen
02-22-2012, 16:56
Blind allegiance is also a problem.Blacks voting at upwards of 95% for the Democrat Party; the party who fought for slavery, founded the KKK, and invented and sustained Jim Crow, is irrefutable proof of that nugget of truth.

Caver 60
03-01-2012, 21:41
Voting age should be raised to about age 25, IMO.

auto-5
03-19-2012, 20:09
Voting age should be raised to about age 25, IMO.

And topped off at 60.

dango
05-13-2012, 23:07
Liberalism = jokes, soundbites and lies. They've got nothing else.

Any politian will say anything to get elected and once elected guess what ?

Brucev
05-14-2012, 06:23
Re: OP. Good people are found across the political spectrum. There is nothing inherently righteous about the right wing... or the left wing. Either is capable of great evil and has routinely proven that fact in practice. Neither side is inherently intelligent. There are seed pickers of either persuasion parroting what they don't understand.

Are young people any different? No. They are however not so heavily invested in the status quo. If for not other reason than that, they are more open to compromise, a idea that older more invested people find anathema. If young people get their news from less traditional sources that is no surprise. They have not spent their entire lives listening to the established sources which all to often reflect a particular institutional bias. As to making decisions based on jokes and soundbites, just cast your mind back to the early years of WWII. In that now past era, there were those who thought all Japs wore thick glasses... etc. And there were U.S. soldiers who thought the little 6.5mm round used by the Japs couldn't possibly be all that powerful, till the Japs used it to poke holes in that myth. Don't forget the billions and billions of dollars of war bonds that were sold using jingles, slogans, etc. Many can remember when Reagan used soundbites such as "Are you better off today than you were four years ago?" to beat Carter. That was not much different than "It's the economy stupid!"

GRIMLET
05-14-2012, 07:50
Re: OP. Good people are found across the political spectrum. There is nothing inherently righteous about the right wing... or the left wing. Either is capable of great evil and has routinely proven that fact in practice. Neither side is inherently intelligent. There are seed pickers of either persuasion parroting what they don't understand.

Are young people any different? No. They are however not so heavily invested in the status quo. If for not other reason than that, they are more open to compromise, a idea that older more invested people find anathema. If young people get their news from less traditional sources that is no surprise. They have not spent their entire lives listening to the established sources which all to often reflect a particular institutional bias.

I agree. I never thought we would but Brucev and I agree.

Brucev
05-14-2012, 09:21
I agree. I never thought we would but Brucev and I agree.

Ronald Reagan was noted for being able to effectively work with people who did not at all share his ideology. In that regard, he observed that if he disagreed with 20% of a man's opinions, he tried not to let that 20% stand in the way of the 80% were they could agree and work together.

If you and I are not in 100% perfect agreement on life, the universe and everything, so what? I've got colleagues with whom I have sharp difficult divergences of opinion. But our shared commitment to our work is not in question. We work together for the forward progress of that work. It is not necessary that we all agree 100% of the time... nor is it even necessarily desirable. Because out of divergent opinions and points of view it is not uncommon to arrive at a better than obvious answer.

GRIMLET
05-14-2012, 10:59
Agreed again.

MadMonkey
05-14-2012, 11:08
I'm 28.

You're just now noticing the political slant on TV shows? :rofl:

Alizard
05-14-2012, 13:22
Luckily, we still have the Rupert Murdoch media empire delivering "news" that has no political bias.

Anytime you think the "giant liberal media conspiracy" is trying to warp your mind, just change your TV channel to FOX news. Then take the batteries out of the remote so that your TV can't accidentally get changed to one of the other liberal pinko channels. It's the only way to be totally safe.

GRIMLET
05-14-2012, 13:28
Luckily, we still have the Rupert Murdoch media empire delivering "news" that has no political bias.

Anytime you think the "giant liberal media conspiracy" is trying to warp your mind, just change your TV channel to FOX news. Then take the batteries out of the remote so that your TV can't accidentally get changed to one of the other liberal pinko channels. It's the only way to be totally safe.

I totally disagree. Watch everything. Be open to both ends of the spectrum and make an informed intelligent decision.
I have a great friend that is a Rush fanatic. I have opened his mind to read Aljazeera online. His views have not shifted but he is making informed opinions.

Just_plinking
05-14-2012, 15:06
Then the thing to do with the friends that you think are liberals, is to ask them--without being confrontational--on what do they base their liberal beliefs? 9 times out of 10 (or more) I think you will find that they have no idea themselves.



I've had poor results with this method. I like to think i'm a reasonable person, that can carry on a civil conversation. My experience is that the more patience you have for others, the less people have for you. I've even had some rather personal attacks throw at me from family when I was Under the impression that I was just having a friendly debate.

I've determined that i'm just a drop in an ocean, and I don't try to "win" other people over to my ideas anymore.

I just sit back, watch, and try to derive some entertainment from it.

Just my perspective fwiw.