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jr05
12-29-2011, 15:08
Well, I got my Lee Classic Turret set up (minus the safety prime and powder measure) and made up some dummy rounds to get all the dies set up. I removed the index bar and am going to give it a go as single stage for the first 100 rounds or so, then kick it over to turret.

Took about 5 rounds to get everything set up (basically just adjusting the bullet seating die). Pulled the bullets and re-did them. Total of 8 rounds, all measuring exactly 1.158" OAL and fit into my G34 chamber perfectly. Loaded them into a magazine and manually fed them in/out of the gun, all fed and ejected as expected.

I have a couple lbs of WSF just waiting to pick up the primers I left at my parent's house after picking them up at the LGS over the xmas weekend. I can't wait to try these out, I can already tell I am going to love reloading.

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WiskyT
12-29-2011, 15:37
The OAL might be a bit too long depending on the bullet. The small sample you did worked, but a larger group with an occasional long one might hang up. You did it right though.

Pick the start load for the bullet you are using, or as close as you can get with the measure (autodisc?), and load 20 of them up. It is possible they won't cycle the gun at the start load so don't make a million of them, you might need a couple of tenths more.

Cycling with start loads is often dependent on the shooter. An older gent I taught to reload loaded some a few tenths lighter than he had been and his G26 wouldn't cycle. They shot fine for me, but the brass barely dribbled out of the gun. He can't really extend his arms all the way due to shoulder problems and he just isn't as stabile a platform for the gun as I was. He went up to what he had been using, still below the max, and the gun ran great again.

Colorado4Wheel
12-29-2011, 15:51
I removed the index bar and am going to give it a go as single stage for the first 100 rounds or so, then kick it over to turret.


Run it in auto indexing mode every time you are loading (assuming you plan to use autoindexing). It's a bad idea to set the powder measure up in SS mode and then start loading in Autoindexing mode because the powder will not throw the same in the different mode. So if you are using the press in autoindexing pull the handle 4 times each time you want to drop a charge (the same each time, as if your loading). That way it throw the most consistent charge for you.

jr05
12-29-2011, 15:54
The bullet is MG 124gr CMJ.

I chose 1.158" because that is what WWB has been measuring on average for the recent box I had at my bench. I was originally going to go for 1.155" but when they hit 1.158 on the nose, I just stuck with it. Hodgdon lists 1.169" as the length for WSF (max per spec for 9mm I believe) so I didn't have much to go on for OAL besides WWB and that number.

They did all feed and cycle well, but what size do you recommend going with? Maybe down to my originally planned 1.155? or lower?

Thanks

jr05
12-29-2011, 15:56
Run it in auto indexing mode every time you are loading (assuming you plan to use autoindexing). It's a bad idea to set the powder measure up in SS mode and then start loading in Autoindexing mode because the powder will not throw the same in the different mode. So if you are using the press in autoindexing pull the handle 4 times each time you want to drop a charge (the same each time, as if your loading). That way it throw the most consistent charge for you.

Yes, I intend to set it up in single stage and run a few just to make sure everything looks good and I feel more comfortable doing it that way to start (viewing powder as the cartridges are lined up in a box).

I will keep in mind to re-evaluate the grains thrown when I switch over to turret (I plan to measure the first 10-15 throws, then some in the middle, and some at the end of every batch anyway).

Thanks for the heads up!

Colorado4Wheel
12-29-2011, 16:02
Yes, I intend to set it up in single stage and run a few just to make sure everything looks good and I feel more comfortable doing it that way to start (viewing powder as the cartridges are lined up in a box).

I will keep in mind to re-evaluate the grains thrown when I switch over to turret (I plan to measure the first 10-15 throws, then some in the middle, and some at the end of every batch anyway).

Thanks for the heads up!

It's actually safer to run in auto indexing mode.

IndyGunFreak
12-29-2011, 16:29
They did all feed and cycle well, but what size do you recommend going with? Maybe down to my originally planned 1.155? or lower?

Thanks

Your reloading manual should have OAL suggestions for whatever bullet/powder combo you're using. Using the number you chose just because WWB is that long... isn't smart. Probably not dangerous, but OAL is in your reloading manual for a reason.

Stay safe.. :)

IGF

jr05
12-29-2011, 16:38
Your reloading manual should have OAL suggestions for whatever bullet/powder combo you're using. Using the number you chose just because WWB is that long... isn't smart. Probably not dangerous, but OAL is in your reloading manual for a reason.

Stay safe.. :)

IGF

Well Winchester does not publish recommended OAL for WSF in the couple manuals I have found it in. They just list the max SAAMI figure of 1.169" for 9mm...guess I have to either just choose a high number such as 1.158" that I know works, or try 1.169" which is the max number and I would undoubtedly have a few come in over the published max. You see my predicament?

jr05
12-29-2011, 16:40
It's actually safer to run in auto indexing mode.

Sold, auto indexing rod is back in the press and will be used from the start.

IndyGunFreak
12-29-2011, 16:59
Well Winchester does not publish recommended OAL for WSF in the couple manuals I have found it in. They just list the max SAAMI figure of 1.169" for 9mm...guess I have to either just choose a high number such as 1.158" that I know works, or try 1.169" which is the max number and I would undoubtedly have a few come in over the published max. You see my predicament?

Yup.. makes sense.. I don't have data for WSF in my manuals for 9mm.. so not sure.

Again, stay safe. Sounds like you're on the right track by "starting long"...

IGF

shotgunred
12-29-2011, 17:01
What is important in OAL is your gun not some number in a book. If you want to get precise about it there is a way to measure your gun. For my glocks I run 1.125 OAL. I could run them longer but why. They never give me feeding problems. I worked my loads were I want them and there is no chance of over pressure. They just work!

When you load long you can all so have issues with your mag. I have seen a a long round get stuck in a glock mag it at a shoot one time. Or rather several in all the mags the guy had on him for that run. It basically took him out of Competition for the day.

IndyGunFreak
12-29-2011, 17:16
What is important in OAL is your gun not some number in a book. If you want to get precise about it there is a way to measure your gun. For my glocks I run 1.125 OAL. I could run them longer but why. They never give me feeding problems. I worked my loads were I want them and there is no chance of over pressure. They just work!

When you load long you can all so have issues with your mag. I have seen a a long round get stuck in a glock mag it at a shoot one time. Or rather several in all the mags the guy had on him for that run. It basically took him out of Competition for the day.

Of course, but I usually start a shade longer than what my manual states, and check their fit in a barrel, and proceed from there. I agree though, no point running them longer if you don't have to.

IGF

WiskyT
12-29-2011, 18:34
The bullet is MG 124gr CMJ.

I chose 1.158" because that is what WWB has been measuring on average for the recent box I had at my bench. I was originally going to go for 1.155" but when they hit 1.158 on the nose, I just stuck with it. Hodgdon lists 1.169" as the length for WSF (max per spec for 9mm I believe) so I didn't have much to go on for OAL besides WWB and that number.

They did all feed and cycle well, but what size do you recommend going with? Maybe down to my originally planned 1.155? or lower?

Thanks

You know what? If they work they work. The longest OAL that gives reliable function will give the lowest pressure, which is not a bad thing. That bullet is a round nose, but it looks like it has a short nose and long full caliber sides and it may need to be a bit shorter than some more traditional RN bullet.

See what the longest you can manage to still fit in the chamber and mag and see if it gives you a bit of a fudge factor for the occasional longer round.

RustyFN
12-29-2011, 20:22
Sold, auto indexing rod is back in the press and will be used from the start.

I agree with Steve, I think that's the best way to go. It sounds like you will but just take your time, speed will come with experience. Also if something happens to make you think WTF then stop and check everything. Once you get rolling you will see it's not hard it just requires our total attention. Congrats and welcome, I think you picked a great press to learn on.