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Calico Hunter
01-02-2012, 09:18
I have a Glock 30SF, but I'm leaning toward replacing the Glock with the Colt Defender in .45 acp.

Any thoughts regarding the Colt vs Glock for concealed carry?

faawrenchbndr
01-02-2012, 09:31
Tough call,........I love 1911s but the G30 is my favorite Glock!

Vanman2004b
01-02-2012, 09:31
This is the 1911 forum. Most will consider the Defender to be better for CCW. :supergrin:

Gunshine
01-02-2012, 09:56
I have been thinking about adding a defender for a while now. But some have said the recoil is severe. I own .45's and .40's including a 27 and the recoil doesn't bother me. Any feedback on Defender recoil? Oh and OP for what it's worth and from what I have read (no first hand experience) the Defender is a solid and reliable pistol.

Officer's Match
01-02-2012, 10:16
I'd stay with the 30SF as long as the width isn't a problem.

faawrenchbndr
01-02-2012, 10:18
Felt recoil of the G30 will be less, however, the Defender will carry a tad bit easier.

ca survivor
01-02-2012, 10:56
I have been thinking about adding a defender for a while now. But some have said the recoil is severe. I own .45's and .40's including a 27 and the recoil doesn't bother me. Any feedback on Defender recoil? Oh and OP for what it's worth and from what I have read (no first hand experience) the Defender is a solid and reliable pistol.
If the recoil of the 27 doesn't bother you, the Defender will be OK for you, is a great weapon for CCW

ca survivor
01-02-2012, 11:00
I have a Glock 30SF, but I'm leaning toward replacing the Glock with the Colt Defender in .45 acp.

Any thoughts regarding the Colt vs Glock for concealed carry?
Defender or any 1911 is a LOT thinner than the Glock 30 for IWB CCW

R0CKETMAN
01-02-2012, 12:53
I'd stay with the 30SF as long as the width isn't a problem.

Yep, I agree. That and i'm not a fan of short 1911's for reliability reasons.

glock2740
01-02-2012, 14:10
I'd stay with the 30SF as long as the width isn't a problem.
I agree. I don't have any issues with Officer sized 1911's for CC, as I own a few and have CC'd them all with 100% confidence.

Calico Hunter
01-03-2012, 09:13
I appreciate the feedback. Excellent points have been raised. For me, recoil is always a considersation when thinking of firing 2 or 3 rounds at a Zombie in self defense. Staying on-target is vital.

I like the comparison of the Defender's recoil to the G27. Problem is, I've never fired a G27. I have the G22Gen4, and the G23C. The G23C is a bit larger than the Defender, and being compensated, I dought that it is a valid comparison.

Conceal ability is an issue since I'm not a large guy. Clearly, using an IWB holster, the Defender is easier to conceal than the G30.

bac1023
01-03-2012, 20:26
I'm not big on small 1911s.

TTM65
01-03-2012, 22:35
I know this is GT but I do not like plastic guns. Yes I own 2 glocks but that is because a family member gave them to me when they retired from law enforcement.

CDW4ME
01-04-2012, 04:47
A few months ago, I bought a new Defender. I got hit in the head with brass, so I sent it back; after a 10 weeks wait it was returned. It still hit me in the head with brass, so I called customer service. I was told that brass to the head was my fault, because I wasn't holding the pistol correctly. I explained that I'm not new to the 3'' compact aluminum 45 acp game, as I previously owned two Kimber Ultra Carry II and neither hit me in the head with brass. I ended up selling the pistol and resolved to not buy another Colt.

I subsequently got a Springfield EMP 40 and it's a great 3'' 1911 type pistol. Yea, it 40 not 45, but straight out of the box it fed, fired & ejected 250 rounds of hollow point (50 rounds each of four different make HP) 100% and it is way more pleasant to shoot than the 45 acp aluminum frame 3'' pistols I had.

HexHead
01-04-2012, 04:58
I had a New Agent, which is in the Series 90 Defender family. The recoil was very manageable when using standard pressure ammo. With 200gr +P, it was stout. Mine was as dependable as any of my Glocks, eating anything I fed it without issue.

My only complaint, and this applies to any of my 1911s, is that I have to wear an undershirt to prevent the cocked hammer from rubbing me when wearing it IWB. PITA in the summer. I eventually traded it in a deal for my G17, since I found myself switching to carrying my G26 more. Great pistol though.

Calico Hunter
01-04-2012, 07:00
Life would sure be easier if I could find a Defender as a Range Gun. But, none to be found around here . . .

Having the brass "ping" ya in the head would certainly be a distraction I'd like to avoid.

DMAR
01-04-2012, 17:45
I have been thinking about adding a defender for a while now. But some have said the recoil is severe. I own .45's and .40's including a 27 and the recoil doesn't bother me. Any feedback on Defender recoil? Oh and OP for what it's worth and from what I have read (no first hand experience) the Defender is a solid and reliable pistol.

My Colt Defender is my primary carry gun. I find the recoil very reasonable, actually seems tamer than my Commander size Colt; it's fun to shoot. I'm not particularly recoil sensitive, but I do find the Defender easier to shoot than a compact .40.

I've had the Defender for several years, and have never had any type of malfunction, and it is very accurate. I'm not sure about other manufacturer's compact 1911, but the Colt Defenders have a good reputation for being reliable. Definitely a nice package; very concealable, good stopping power, great trigger, and accurate.

I'm relatively new to Glocks, but got in to them for the extra round capacity, and the feel of the Gen 4 to be a big improvement. Plus, zero issues with my Gen 4...! I carry the G19 a fair amount in the winter, and like it so much that I just bought a 26.

If I needed to chose one over the other, I would definitely chose a Defender over a G30SF. I think it is more concealable, better balanced, and a nicer shooting gun, but that's my opinion. You should try to rent one, or go shooting with someone that owns a Defender to try it out. I like carrying Glocks in 9mm, and (Colt) 1911s in .45. YMMV.

dakrat
01-05-2012, 08:22
out of the box, Glock in subcompact form tend to be more reliable than a 3" 1911.

brisk21
01-05-2012, 09:30
For me, width is a problem. I would choose the defender for concealed carry. I found even the 26 to be too fat. Thats why I carry a single stack Walther PPS.

mrsurfboard
01-05-2012, 14:34
G30 is way too thick. If you like the Glock, the G36 is way better for carry. I don't know if I would want a Defender based on some issues some have been having. Other options would be a 4in 1911 with a compact frame or even a M&P 45 compact.

sna0403
01-05-2012, 20:21
I carry a 4" .45 (RIA). Prefer it over my issued G22 or my personal M&P 40 FS (4.25" barrel).

GOOFA
01-06-2012, 05:43
G30 is way too thick.

NONSENSE, I've concealed a G30SF without problem with the appropriate holster and clothing.

Calico Hunter
01-06-2012, 06:30
In a couple of Threads above, there are several vague issues raised about the Defender’s reliability or performance. What issues or concerns are we talking about?
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BuckyP
01-06-2012, 06:47
I never realized how much thicker a G30 is than a 1911, until I put my Kobra Carry in a G30 holster. that gun was swimming in it. :drowning: That being said, I have no problem packing the G30. :dunno:

TTM65
01-06-2012, 06:56
My carry is either a Kimber ultra carry or a colt defender. The Kimber is 45acp and the colt is 9mm. I switch from time to time but either ride IWB holster.

brisk21
01-06-2012, 07:40
NONSENSE, I've concealed a G30SF without problem with the appropriate holster and clothing.


Well I could conceal a damn Remington 870 shotgun with the appropriate clothing!! That doesn't make it ideal!! The G30 is a fatty. I personally find single stack guns to conceal MUCH easier for me. It expands my clothing options quite a bit.

BuckyP
01-06-2012, 08:32
There is a way to make a G30 fit better IWB.

:tongueout:

http://www.everydiet.org/wp-content/uploads/slim-fast.jpg

<<-- Admittedly someone who needs a similar plan. :embarassed:

hfdg26
01-06-2012, 10:25
I carried a G30 in a CBST and loved it. Easy to dress arround and never had any issues with the gun. I got a DW CBOB 1911 and carry it in a CBST and absolutely LOVE it!!. Its a 4 1/2 Commander length so its a little longer than the Defender and it has a bobbed full-sized grip and it conceals just as well. It is thinner so its much more comfy. It is heavier but it doesn't bother me. Most importantly, I shoot the 1911 better than the G30...so I no longer have the G 30. My recommendation would be go with a Commander length 1911.

mrsurfboard
01-06-2012, 11:01
In a couple of Threads above, there are several vague issues raised about the Defenderís reliability or performance. What issues or concerns are we talking about?
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<o:p>My quest is to find an extremely reliable and accurate .45 that is smaller than my G30, yet friendly to fire.</o:p>

I was thinking of getting a defender myself, but read a lot of threads as to its reliability and reliability of 3in 1911s in general, so I decided against it. Throw in the fact that if you have a problem, Colt is backed up 8+ weeks, it didn't seem worth the risk.

mj9mm
01-06-2012, 11:41
interesting fact, glock 30 width = 1.28, 1911 width = 1.28, i know they feel differant but they are essentially the same thickness:faint:. i used to have a colt 1911 and always thought it felt blocky, although comfortable to shoot, i don't have it anymore but i now have a glock 30sf, yea it feels blocky to me but also shoots great.

mrsurfboard
01-06-2012, 11:56
interesting fact, glock 30 width = 1.28, 1911 width = 1.28, i know they feel differant but they are essentially the same thickness:faint:. i used to have a colt 1911 and always thought it felt blocky, although comfortable to shoot, i don't have it anymore but i now have a glock 30sf, yea it feels blocky to me but also shoots great.

That's overall width, not width of the slide, which is what matters if you are carrying IWB. The 1911 is considerably thinner in the slide.

CDW4ME
01-06-2012, 18:27
I'm more tolerant of extra width when carrying appendix IWB vs strong side IWB; my 29 SF is carried appendix IWB.

Another consideration is holster thickness, I use a Fist thin kydex clip-on holster for appendix IWB; but, a thicker Blade-Tech UCH for strong side IWB.

MarkCO
01-06-2012, 19:05
I have both a 3" and 4" 1911 that are defense pistols that I really like, and they are 100% reliable. That being said, the 1911s require more maintenance, are thinner, but also tend to be a little less comfortable due to the shape. Hammers, beaver tails and sights potentially rubbing and poking. Yes, those can all be melted, but with the Glock, no worries.

The pistol that has the benefits fo the Glock AND the 1911 is the Kahr. The CW45 or PM45 are both great .45 carry pieces. Rugged, reliable and thin.

brisk21
01-06-2012, 21:26
There is a way to make a G30 fit better IWB.

:tongueout:

http://www.everydiet.org/wp-content/uploads/slim-fast.jpg

<<-- Admittedly someone who needs a similar plan. :embarassed:


Im 5'11 and 180lbs. I run 3-4 miles every day.:tongueout: If I was fatter it might actually help me conceal guns.:rofl:

wdp
01-06-2012, 21:39
NONSENSE, I've concealed a G30SF without problem with the appropriate holster and clothing.

I carry my G30 regularly in a Crossbreed. Adjusted properly, it's extremely comfortable around the house, out and about or driving in the car. Don't forget a properly constructed belt as part of your suspension system.

wdp
01-06-2012, 21:43
Im 5'11 and 180lbs. I run 3-4 miles every day.:tongueout: If I was fatter it might actually help me conceal guns.:rofl:


I remember when I was 180 pounds..... although I was 10 at the time.

BuckyP
01-06-2012, 22:20
I remember when I was 180 pounds..... although I was 10 at the time.

:shocked:

:rofl::rofl:

NeverMore1701
01-06-2012, 22:27
Im 5'11 and 180lbs. I run 3-4 miles every day.:tongueout: If I was fatter it might actually help me conceal guns.:rofl:

Hell I'm 5'8", 150lbs, and have CC'd a Beretta 92 every day for over 5 years! Guess it just depends on the individual :dunno:

Looking forward to getting my OWB for my 1911 to give carrying it a shot!

Z28ricer
01-07-2012, 02:18
I had a G30

Then I bought a Kimber UltraCarry

The G30 has since been sold, though i'd like another one, it wont get chosen for carry over the little 1911

brisk21
01-07-2012, 07:42
Hell I'm 5'8", 150lbs, and have CC'd a Beretta 92 every day for over 5 years! Guess it just depends on the individual :dunno:

Looking forward to getting my OWB for my 1911 to give carrying it a shot!


Yes it does!! I guess you could say my hips are as wide as my torso/chest, so anything that is on my hip sticks out. It sucks for concealed carry. Dressing correct, I can wear my G17, or whatever else. The single stack guns allow me to carry with nothing but a tshirt on.

Calico Hunter
01-07-2012, 08:09
Kimber's and Kahr's ... added to the list as potential replacements for the G30.

I guess I've gotta measure the slides ... I had my G23C using an IWB VM-2 yesterday. Very comfortable, but I just can't get away with that combo in the warmer months. I'm hoping something like the Defender will allow my more T-shirt time.

michael t
01-07-2012, 16:23
I have a older defender and it has not once had any trouble with relieabilty . I have several other compact 45's mostly Colt but none have ever caused me any trouble My Defender is my #1 1911 carry . I carry with 185 Corbon DPX+P recoil about same as my Combat commander shooting 230 ball . I can't see why people keep saying under 4" 1911 are unrelieable The 5 I own sure haven't been.

Hokie1911
01-09-2012, 17:16
As someone that recent switched back to carrying a Glock from 1911s, I can tell you the width is negligible, and I like less weight, less maintenance, and more capacity. I'm 5'8 and 170lb, 32" waist and my G19 disappears in my Raven rig.

knedrgr
01-09-2012, 17:44
STFU Hokie! You trader! LOL.

Hokie1911
01-09-2012, 18:40
STFU Hokie! You trader! LOL.

I think the word you were looking for there was 'traitor', but you get an A for effort. No time for love, Dr. Jones.

NeverMore1701
01-09-2012, 18:59
I think the word you were looking for there was 'traitor', but you get an A for effort. No time for love, Dr. Jones.

To be fair, you did trade one carry gun for another :tongueout:

Hokie1911
01-09-2012, 19:08
To be fair, you did trade one carry gun for another :tongueout:

Actually, it was one 1911 for 2 Glocks, a Surefire X300, and a MacBook Pro....which Knedrgr of all people should appreciate. :supergrin:

plouffedaddy
01-09-2012, 19:30
Whenever buying a 1911 reliability has to be proved. I have some that have been extremely reliable out of the box (TRP, E Series, ect...) and others that no matter how many times they get 'serviced' they never run right (both Kimbers I owned).

With a Glock, particularly G30SF, you know it will be reliable. The G30 was my first handgun and I have never, never, had any kind of failure in mine through thousands of rounds.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l178/tiffani33/Guns/IMAG0533.jpg
If you get a good Colt, it will be easier to carry. But, I always look at carrying as 'carrying a gun should be comforting, not comfortable.'

BuckyP
01-09-2012, 19:55
Actually, it was one 1911 for 2 Glocks, a Surefire X300, and a MacBook Pro....which Knedrgr of all people should appreciate. :supergrin:

Which GLOCKs you got now, and which is for carry?

knedrgr
01-09-2012, 19:59
Which GLOCKs you got now, and which is for carry?

He got himself a Gen 4 17 and a 19. He's currently carrying a 19.

knedrgr
01-09-2012, 20:01
I think the word you were looking for there was 'traitor', but you get an A for effort. No time for love, Dr. Jones.

No, I used the right word. You traded your 1911 for a bunch of guns and stuff. :tongueout:

Funny, you went to all plastic, and I sold my last plastic. :rofl:

knedrgr
01-09-2012, 20:01
maybe Hokie1911 should change your name back to a G name...

Hokie1911
01-10-2012, 22:15
Nah, I will stay the antagonist I am. :tongueout:

Bucky - Carrying the Gen4 19 in a Raven Phantom and the Gen4 17/Surefire is on nightstand duty until I get a Raven LC (which shouldn't be long), then the X300 will ride on the 19 daily.

No regrets whatsoever btw making the switch back to plastic.
http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac6/HokiePS7/DSC_0933.jpg

cjkranz
01-10-2012, 22:46
I would add another " + " for the SA EMP 40 (IF you are looking for a great CCW in a 1911 style). As far as a striker fire, I have had 3 Kahrs and sold all of them. I wasn't impressed with the triggers, finish on the slide and the overall fit and finish of the pistols. IMO they way overpriced and are half the gun of a Glock or XD or XDm.

Nakanokalronin
01-10-2012, 23:28
I had a G30SF that I sold awhile back. It just didn't compare to the Kimber Ultra Carry that I use as a winter CCW which is the same size as a Colt Defender.

CDR_Glock
01-11-2012, 05:06
I have a Glock 30SF, but I'm leaning toward replacing the Glock with the Colt Defender in .45 acp.

Any thoughts regarding the Colt vs Glock for concealed carry?

Glock 30/30SF
Higher Capacity
More Reliability
Easier maintenance
Accommodates for higher capacity
Thicker
Heavier

Defender
<Cricket, Cricket, Chirp>
Lighter
Thinner

I'd stay with the Glock. The Defender is a low quality 1911 in relation to the hierarchy of 1911s. I'd do a Special Forces Ed Brown, SA Professional, Dan Wesson, Wilson Combat, or Mars Armament THUG, if I were carrying a 1911. Nothing less.

Calico Hunter
01-11-2012, 09:02
I appreciate all the comments, and opinions.

Maybe my situation is a little different. I'm comfortable with my G30 with winter attire; but I can't conceal it well with shorts and a T-Shirt during the hot & humid months. I was thinking the Defender being a little shorter and "thinner" might conceal much better during these times.

I've never owned a Colt 1911 model. But, I am surprised at the comments regarding a lack of quality with the Colt ! I thought they were supposed to be an excellent platform.

cjkranz
01-11-2012, 09:09
I appreciate all the comments, and opinions.

Maybe my situation is a little different. I'm comfortable with my G30 with winter attire; but I can't conceal it well with shorts and a T-Shirt during the hot & humid months. I was thinking the Defender being a little shorter and "thinner" might conceal much better during these times.

I've never owned a Colt 1911 model. But, I am surprised at the comments regarding a lack of quality with the Colt ! I thought they were supposed to be an excellent platform.

The colts are fine... If you don't look too close at them or shoot other "equivalant" 1911s :supergrin:

Calico Hunter
01-13-2012, 13:20
The colts are fine... If you don't look too close at them or shoot other "equivalant" 1911s :supergrin:

If the Colt's are unreliable, what subcompact do you recommend?

fnfalman
01-13-2012, 14:33
I'll put my Colt .38 Super up against any "equivalence" in both looks, fit & finish AND accuracy.

sawgrass
01-13-2012, 21:38
ANY gun that you are going to carry should be a gun that you have put many rounds through and that you trust. Beyond that it comes down to
coin and preference. I like to carry OWB because it's more comfortable and
my clothes fit better. If I'm going out in the snow I carry a Glock, when I go fishing I carry a different Glock (size), if I'm dressed a little better going to dinner I carry a Colt Defender that I have fired many rounds through.
If my clothes are tighter I carry a single stack Beretta, very thin in the right holster. It's about trust,environment,capacity and comfort. Trust comes through practice.

If I'm lucky enough to be able to open carry, I like a full size 1911 in a pretty stingray inlaid holster.:cool:

M&P Shooter
01-14-2012, 22:34
4" 1911 is much thinner and has a better grip then the G30.

Walkin' Boss
01-16-2012, 23:01
I've owned both the G30 and the Defender...I still have the Defender :cool:

I carry OWB and find the Defender is just about perfect. For me. Opinions will vary. As far as all of the "poor quality" comments about Colt's, they are easily ignored. Colt is more than fine...I'd take any Colt over any Kimber without a second thought.

I have no reliablity issues with my Defender, and never have. I have of course put countless rounds through it...so it has proven itself as a weapon I trust.

That's not to say I found any problems with the Glock. The G30 is one of the best combat/defensive pistols ever made. But it didn't work well for me in warmer weather for OWB carry, and I dont want to IWB. If I were to go with a Glock again, it would be the G36.

cptslick
01-17-2012, 06:16
Well yesterday I traded my Glock 19 Gen3 for a Glock30SF. I also have an ATI FX Titan 3" 1911 which shoots just fine and is a cheaper version of the Colts. No reliability issues so far and it shoots JHP's with no problem.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd42/SigVet/ATITitan2.jpg

HexHead
01-17-2012, 06:28
I've never owned a Colt 1911 model. But, I am surprised at the comments regarding a lack of quality with the Colt ! I thought they were supposed to be an excellent platform.

Comments obviously made by people that have never owned a Series-90 Defender series, and are just talking out of their ass.

dakota1911
01-18-2012, 18:11
I have an older Defender (2002) and like it a lot. Also have a Glock 36. I would say the Glock recoils a bit more and definitely has a different feel when you shoot it, but it is also lighter in weight. I have fed both several different types of ammo and they both digest it very well. The Defender comes with the rubber Houge wrap around grips which are fatter than the aftermarket Ajax grips I have on mine, and although I don't like them, they do make it more comfy to shoot. Below is my .45 Defender with a my Glock 36 under it and a no longer produced AMT .45 Backup on the bottom.


http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e193/dakota1911/r_def_36_45backup.jpg