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rpgman
01-05-2012, 08:14
whats a good 38 special bullet for target practice?

My wife has a NEW Smith & Wesson BodyGuard 38 Special Revolver, and I wanna make some rounds for her to practice with.

I have a 100 Hornaday XTP 110gr bullets I picked up cheap, but I still want something cheaper.

Prior to purchasing the gun, she practiced with 158gr reloads at a gun range. She said the recoil was strong on those.

I was thinking about a bullet and powder that would give her a soft load. I have Unique, BE, HP-38, and WSF, but I'm unsure of a decent bullet at a decent price for her to practice with.

Any help would be appreciated.
Thanx,
Greg

unclebob
01-05-2012, 08:24
What’s left of my record keeping I used 158gr. lswc using 3.8 of Accurate #2 or 5.6 of Accurate # 5.

rpgman
01-05-2012, 08:29
What’s left of my record keeping I used 158gr. lswc using 3.8 of Accurate #2 or 5.6 of Accurate # 5.

thanks Bob,

I was looking at these:

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&brand=HO&prodID=HO10408&prodTitle=Hornady%20Lead%20Pistol%20-%20.38%20cal%20.358

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&brand=HO&prodID=HO10508&prodTitle=Hornady%20Lead%20Pistol%20-%20.38%20cal%20.358

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&brand=HO&prodID=HO10078&prodTitle=Hornady%20Lead%20Pistol%20-%20.38%20cal%20.358

But, I have never purchased any lead bullets and I'm unsure if that's a decent price.
Greg

varget
01-05-2012, 08:31
For years I have used a 148 gr. hbwc over 2.7 gr. of BE. You might also try to work up a load with unique as its' slower burn rate often transfers to less percieved recoil. Check your manual and try the starting load.

tjpet
01-05-2012, 08:45
For sheer accuracy and very light recoil 2.5grs. WST w/148gr. HBWC will put them all through the same hole with no muss or fuss.

If you want a bit more of a defensive load run a 158gr. LSWC over 3.0 - 3.5grs. WST.

Either recipe is accurate, clean burning, and light recoiling. She'll love'em.

Three-Five-Seven
01-05-2012, 08:46
The older chief's were regulated for 158 grain bullets. The newer ones (post 1965 ish) seem to be regulated for 125 grain bullets.

Before spending on a lot of bullets, target the gun with some factory 158, 125, and 110 loads to see what the gun has been set-up for. Failing to do this will cause a lot of frustration for your partner when she tries to shoot well.

Don't start off at a deficit.

These small, light revolvers are strongly affected by different bullet weights and you will be way ahead of the game to use the bullet weight that Smith & Wesson regulated the gun for.

Again, probably 125 grain. There are many good quality, inexpensive, lead bullets available in this caliber. I use, and like, Chey Cast and Bear Creek. But, again, there are many lead bullets available. Just figure out which weight and get a box of 500 lead bullets and start the press crankin'.

rpgman
01-05-2012, 08:49
For sheer accuracy and very light recoil 2.5grs. WST w/148gr. HBWC will put them all through the same hole with no muss or fuss.

If you want a bit more of a defensive load run a 158gr. LSWC over 3.0 - 3.5grs. WST.

Either recipe is accurate, clean burning, and light recoiling. She'll love'em.

Only problem is I don't have WST. :frown:

unclebob
01-05-2012, 08:50
The lead 158gr lswc were always easy to find at gun shows. And then I started in casting my own and I stuck with the 158gr bullets. Even the jacket bullets I have are 158. I’m sure there were other reasons why, but 40+ years ago I don’t remember.

creophus
01-05-2012, 08:56
I used 3.2gr of Titegroup under a Rainier bullet in 38spl for my first reloads. The recoil was VERY light. Don't recall the weight of the bullet right now, but I'll look it up in my notebook if you're interested.

rpgman
01-05-2012, 09:16
I used 3.2gr of Titegroup under a Rainier bullet in 38spl for my first reloads. The recoil was VERY light. Don't recall the weight of the bullet right now, but I'll look it up in my notebook if you're interested.

yea sure, that would be great.
Thanks

XDRoX
01-05-2012, 09:20
My favorite mouse fart load is 2.2gr of Trail Boss under 148gr lead WC. Just under 650fps and very soft and accurate.

http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/XDRoX619/TB1-2.jpg?t=1324426707

ColoCG
01-05-2012, 09:52
Only problem is I don't have WST. :frown:


Nothing that $20 +/- won't cure. :supergrin:

F106 Fan
01-05-2012, 10:09
For years I have used a 148 gr. hbwc over 2.7 gr. of BE. You might also try to work up a load with unique as its' slower burn rate often transfers to less percieved recoil. Check your manual and try the starting load.


This is my favorite load for use in my S&W Model 52 semiauto. I buy the Hornady bullets from Midway:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/287589/hornady-bullets-38-caliber-358-diameter-148-grain-lead-hollow-base-wadcutter-box-of-250

Midway also carries the Speer HBWC but they are twice as expensive.

I used to shoot the same load from a Colt Python. What a terrific gun! I never should have traded it.

Richard

PCJim
01-05-2012, 21:16
I used to shoot the same load from a Colt Python. What a terrific gun! I never should have traded it.

Richard

:wow::shocked::crying: The horror!

tac_driver
01-05-2012, 23:31
<table>
<tr>
<td>
S&W model 640
Speer 158gr. LSWC-HP
Bullseye 3.5
OAL 1.465
Avg vel 700fps
</td>
<td>
S&W model 640
Speer 158gr. LSWC-HP
W231 4.3
OAL 1.465
Avg vel 736fps
</td>
<td>
S&W model 640
Speer 158gr. LSWC-HP
WSF 4.7
OAL 1.465
Avg vel 701fps
</td>
</tr>
</table>
Sorry Unique loads are too fast up in the 850fps range.

jeb_ingram
01-06-2012, 08:36
I use Berrys 125gr DS FMJ with 5gr of Unique behind it for my 642. It's very light. I've batched loads at 1/2 grain increments starting at 4 gr up to 6.5 gr and the 5 gr has been my favorite.

Just my 2¢

rpgman
01-06-2012, 09:37
I use Berrys 125gr DS FMJ with 5gr of Unique behind it for my 642. It's very light. I've batched loads at 1/2 grain increments starting at 4 gr up to 6.5 gr and the 5 gr has been my favorite.

Just my 2¢

where r u purchasing them from?
Greg

jeb_ingram
01-06-2012, 09:41
where r u purchasing them from?
Greg

Sportsman's Warehouse. It's a local hunting Bass Pro type store.

rpgman
01-06-2012, 09:52
Sportsman's Warehouse. It's a local hunting Bass Pro type store.

I'm familiar with Sportsman's Warehouse, don't have one local, but I don't see those online.

Not DS FMJ in 125gr.


http://www.sportsmanswarehouse.com/search/searchResults.jsp?_DARGS=/search/paging.jsp_AF&_dynSessConf=3626062739878568143&_D%3Aqfh_1p2_rct=+&qfh_1p2_sr=true&_D%3Aqfh_1p2_srqs=+&_D%3Aqfh_1p2_sortstr=+&qfh_1p2_srqs=berrys&qfh_1p2_catId=rootCategory&searchBox=&_D%3Aqfh_1p2_s_s=+&qfh_1p2_sortstr=relevance&qfh_1p2_gtp=2&_D%3Aqfh_1p2_ft=+&qfh_1p2_fsr=true&trail=&qfh_1p2_ft=&qfh_1p2_rct=0051032723&_D%3Aqfh_1p2_sstr=+&qfh_1p2_sstr=berrys&_D%3Aqfh_1p2_catId=+&qfh_1p2_s_s=submit&_D%3Aqfh_1p2_gtp=+&_D%3Aqfh_1p2_fsr=+&_D%3Aqfh_1p2_sr=+

jeb_ingram
01-06-2012, 10:37
I'm familiar with Sportsman's Warehouse, don't have one local, but I don't see those online.

Not DS FMJ in 125gr.

I've noticed that their in store inventory and on line inventory are not the same at times. The prices differ online from the store as well.

VictimNoMore
01-06-2012, 10:58
I use a 125 grain flat-point lead bullet, with 3.4-3.8 grains TiteGroup behind it. The 3.4 grain loads are very, very mild. After 3.8 grains, you get into +P territory.

Hit Missouri Bullet Company for some nicely-priced lead bullets to plink with.

arkdweller22
01-06-2012, 11:04
I use Berrys 125gr DS FMJ with 5gr of Unique behind it for my 642. It's very light. I've batched loads at 1/2 grain increments starting at 4 gr up to 6.5 gr and the 5 gr has been my favorite.

Just my 2¢

Winner.
This is the load my wife uses for practice on our snubbies (as do I...). Only we use X-treme plated bullets instead of Berry's; six of one, half a dozen of the other.

Soft shooting, accurate and not as dirty as some would lead you to believe.

rpgman
01-06-2012, 11:55
Winner.
This is the load my wife uses for practice on our snubbies (as do I...). Only we use X-treme plated bullets instead of Berry's; six of one, half a dozen of the other.

Soft shooting, accurate and not as dirty as some would lead you to believe.

is this the X-treme bullet you use?


38-125gr. FP 18 357 $37.00 $74.00

or this one?

38-125gr. RNFP Cowboy 18 358 $37.00 $74.00

or one of these?

38- 125 FP 0.357 18 $36.50 $73.00
38- 125 FP No Cannelure 0.357 18 $36.50 $73.00

From here:

http://xtremebullets.com/cast.htm

arkdweller22
01-06-2012, 13:29
This one:



38-125gr. FP 18 357 $37.00 $74.00

rpgman
01-06-2012, 13:33
This one:


38-125gr. FP 18 357 $37.00 $74.00


btw that's listed as a CAST Bullet not a PLATED bullet

here is their PLATED Bullet PDF:

http://xtremebullets.com/PDF2011/Copper8-26-11.pdf


and their CAST Bullet PDF.

http://xtremebullets.com/PDF2011/Lead8-26-11.pdf
thanks for the reply.
Greg

arkdweller22
01-06-2012, 14:12
38-125gr. FP 18 357 $37.00 $74.00


btw that's listed as a CAST Bullet not a PLATED bullet

here is their PLATED Bullet PDF:

http://xtremebullets.com/PDF2011/Copper8-26-11.pdf


and their CAST Bullet PDF.

http://xtremebullets.com/PDF2011/Lead8-26-11.pdf
thanks for the reply.
Greg

My apologies for the confusion.
I went and looked at the box, I didn't look at your PDF. Since we were discussing plated bullets and they are listed identically... Well, you can see where our communication broke down.

Here's a pic of the box and a bullet from within that box for clarification.

http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq359/arkdweller22/photo1.jpg

rpgman
01-06-2012, 14:29
My apologies for the confusion.
I went and looked at the box, I didn't look at your PDF. Since we were discussing plated bullets and they are listed identically... Well, you can see where our communication broke down.

Here's a pic of the box and a bullet from within that box for clarification.

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thanks, yep that's a PLATED bullet.
I believe it's this one:

38- 125 FP 0.357 18 $36.50 $73.00

Greg

fredj338
01-06-2012, 14:37
The good old 158grLSWC @ 800fps is about as good as it gets for a practice round. Easily done w/ commercial cast & any number of powders.

rpgman
01-06-2012, 15:10
The good old 158grLSWC @ 800fps is about as good as it gets for a practice round. Easily done w/ commercial cast & any number of powders.

thanks, I just ordered the 158grLSWC and some Berry's 125gr FP.

That should give her a feel for how each one does.

Greg

WiskyT
01-06-2012, 18:41
If you go to Alliant's website, they list "cowboy" action loads that are specialized for low recoil. I use a 125 cast TC with Bullseye. It shoots great, has a little bit less recoil than the old HBWC load, but has a little more blast, or noise, that could be as much of a distraction as recoil.

shotgunred
01-06-2012, 19:55
If you go to Alliant's website, they list "cowboy" action loads that are specialized for low recoil. I use a 125 cast TC with Bullseye. It shoots great, has a little bit less recoil than the old HBWC load, but has a little more blast, or noise, that could be as much of a distraction as recoil.

Is there anything you don't use Bullseye in?

WiskyT
01-06-2012, 20:03
Is there anything you don't use Bullseye in?

Magnum loads with cast bullets. It works real well in just about anything else. A pinch of Bullseye and a lead bullet for light loads, and a bigger pich of Unique and a lead bullet for heavier loads.

I've tried other powders, but they don't do anything in those ranges that BE and Unique don't do. I bought some Power Pistol, it works well, but not any better than Unique, so I'll just use it up and be done with it. I tried Green Dot, and it does the same thing Bullseye does, the same with 231. 231 to me is the same as Bullseye. I have a pound of Red Dot, and I'll use it. If I ever finish all the Bullseye, I may switch over to RD because it is so bulky.

To me, there are three powders, fast, medium, and slow. I'm talking about pistol of course. Rifle is a whole 'nother thing, of which I don't know much about.

Colorado4Wheel
01-06-2012, 20:18
To me, there are three powders, fast, medium, and slow. I'm talking about pistol of course. Rifle is a whole 'nother thing, of which I don't know much about.

So I would guess your view Unique as Medium? What would be the slow powder for Pistol? 2400? Longshot?

I only use a fast and a medium. Between those two I get what I want. But I don't load any really large case volume cases that might benefit from a even slower powder.

WiskyT
01-06-2012, 21:19
I've used 296, Lil'Gun, and 2400. 296 doesn't do anything for me that 2400 won't do. LG will really make things move. 1500fps for a 158 out of a 4" GP100. But at that point, it is starting to get uncomfortable in terms of recoil. It's not the smacking of the hand, but the wrenching of the wrist. My wrist was bothering me for a week or so afterwards. Also, LG supposedly been linked to forcing cone problems or some other problem by one of the big thumper developers. It might have been Casull. Whoever it was said they had problems with it and not to use it.

This is all for 357 Mag. I don't own any 44's etc. Fred would know more about that stuff.

XDRoX
01-07-2012, 08:30
I use 2400 in 357mag and it's worked great. I've pushed lead SWC's
to just under 1300fps but not over with great results.

WiskyT
01-07-2012, 08:55
I have used Blue Dot. I found that it only provides marginally higher fps than Unique before it falls off in terms of accuracy and I have pierced primers with it using published data. I think of BD as a slightly slower version of Unique and I just use Unique instead.

2400 is what I use for traditional 357 magnum loads. Lil'Gun I just bring a box along to show it off. I shoot a couple of cylinders full and let my buddies try it. One cylinder, or less, seems to be enough for most of them. If the box is getting close to being finished, I'll finish it off. If the box is half empty, I'll toss it back in my bag for another trip.

tjpet
01-08-2012, 12:16
Magnum loads with cast bullets. It works real well in just about anything else. A pinch of Bullseye and a lead bullet for light loads, and a bigger pich of Unique and a lead bullet for heavier loads.

I've tried other powders, but they don't do anything in those ranges that BE and Unique don't do. I bought some Power Pistol, it works well, but not any better than Unique, so I'll just use it up and be done with it. I tried Green Dot, and it does the same thing Bullseye does, the same with 231. 231 to me is the same as Bullseye. I have a pound of Red Dot, and I'll use it. If I ever finish all the Bullseye, I may switch over to RD because it is so bulky.

To me, there are three powders, fast, medium, and slow. I'm talking about pistol of course. Rifle is a whole 'nother thing, of which I don't know much about.


BE, RD, GD, and 231 are all OK powders. I'd give the edge to BE when it comes to sheer accuracy. And the others aren't far behind.

But if you want the same results with a clean gun afterwards use WST. It combines the accuracy of BE with the clean burn of the VV line of powders. It leaves the inside AND outside of the gun plus the fired cases looking real good.

As an older shooter/reloader I tend to be a traditionalist. Not much comes along that's really a big change from the old order, anyway. I used a lot of BE and Unique back in the dark ages - besides, there wasn't much of a field to choose different from. However, WST is that much better in a lot of the conventional straight walled pistol calibers for target/mid-range loads. THAT MUCH BETTER.

WiskyT
01-08-2012, 12:23
BE, RD, GD, and 231 are all OK powders. I'd give the edge to BE when it comes to sheer accuracy. And the others aren't far behind.

But if you want the same results with a clean gun afterwards use WST. It combines the accuracy of BE with the clean burn of the VV line of powders. It leaves the inside AND outside of the gun plus the fired cases looking real good.

As an older shooter/reloader I tend to be a traditionalist. Not much comes along that's really a big change from the old order, anyway. I used a lot of BE and Unique back in the dark ages - besides, there wasn't much of a field to choose different from. However, WST is that much better in a lot of the conventional straight walled pistol calibers for target/mid-range loads. THAT MUCH BETTER.

I don't doubt it. I'm partial to Hercules powders since they have always been around and hopefully always will be. Winchester has a new WS-whatever every couple of years and the pift! it's gone or they don't support much in terms of data.

tjpet
01-08-2012, 13:11
WST's been around for about 30 years so I doubt it's going anywhere. The only popular caliber you can't find data for these days is he 9mm. But pm me or get ahold of a Hornady #4 manual for some.

creophus
01-30-2012, 07:45
yea sure, that would be great.
Thanks

The bullets I used were 125gr Rainier plated.

Gperfection
01-30-2012, 09:56
These: http://precisiondelta.com/detail.php?sku=B-148-HBWC-ML. With 3.1 grs Winchester 231. Very mild and accurate. For range use. If you like that load and decide to carry that type of load, buy a box of factory 148WC mid range match ammo. It isn't a bad defensive round. This load mimics the factory load.

TN.Frank
01-30-2012, 14:08
I just loaded up some 158gr home cast Tumble Lube SWC's over 4.3grs of Unique. Not shot any yet but I did get a new 9 volt for my Chrony so I can get a fps once I know where they're going to hit. Should be a fairly mild load since 4.3grs is the starting load in my Speer #11 and the listed "Standard" load in the Alliant Powder Manual for this bullet.

sellersm
01-30-2012, 14:50
I really like the 158gr LSWC from Missouri Bullet Company. I use BE powder and they're easy to shoot and accurate, great for practicing at the range with the 642 airweight!

Eldon Hickey
01-31-2012, 00:11
I like 158 grainers since all my snubbies shoot close to POA with them. My carry load is 4.7 gr Unique with the 158 gr Speer LSWCHP--815 fps. Not a barn-burner, but manageable. My wife is pretty recoil-sensitive and I came up with a practice load that's very comfortable to shoot in a 642--2.7 gr Trailboss with a 158 gr...600fps. I use the Hornady LSWCHP for these as they're a bit cheaper....under $35 for 500. Today I shot some light loads using 3.3 gr Unique with the 158 Hornady....A bit more kick that with Trailboss but not unpleasant. I Plan to chrony this load tomorrow. Hope this helps. Good luck.