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21Carrier
01-05-2012, 22:20
Well, my G29 has been my carry gun since April, and I've loved it. However, I needed something a little smaller for carrying at work. I am allowed to carry at work (well, not prohibited), but I worry that most of my coworkers would **** a brick if they happened to see my gun. That has prompted me to carry my G29 in "deep cover" while at work. That means in my boot (in the holster). I got used to it, and it's really not bad. However, the draw would be a nightmare, and it meant that I HAD to wear my boots every day. So, I bought this:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h329/21Carrier/Ruger%20LC9%20Pictures/IMG_2247.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h329/21Carrier/Ruger%20LC9%20Pictures/IMG_2248.jpg


I just got it two days ago, and I still haven't shot it (I will Saturday). Anyway, if it shoots worth a damn, I'll REALLY like it. This thing is the PERFECT size for carrying. It is JUST small enough to be a viable pocket carry gun, but really shines IWB. I carried it one day at work just to see how it was. I carried it half the day in my pocket, then the other half IWB in front (appendix). It absolutely disappears when carried IWB in front. The G29 is too big to do that. Anyway, so far I'm very happy. I can't wait to shoot it. I'll let you guys know how it shoots.

By the way, don't worry. It will never replace the G29. Even if it passes the carry reliability test, it will only see duty while at work. The G29 goes back on as soon as I leave work. But for situations where something smaller is necessary, it's great. Here are some more pics comparing it to the G29. It doesn't LOOK much smaller, but trust me, the difference is HUGE:

Ruger LC9 on top of G29:
http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h329/21Carrier/Ruger%20LC9%20Pictures/IMG_2251.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h329/21Carrier/Ruger%20LC9%20Pictures/IMG_2252.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h329/21Carrier/Ruger%20LC9%20Pictures/IMG_2254.jpg

arushus
01-06-2012, 01:02
That gun is awesome! Ive been afraid to admit it but Ive been looking real seriously at one. Not sure if you knew this or not, but th LC9 is the Shooting Industry Academy of Excellence Handgun of the Year, not sure what that means, but it must be pretty good to beat out all the other selections out there!

nickE10mm
01-06-2012, 06:40
Thanks for the report, 21.... Let us know where you're gonna post the review so we can tune in. I'm trying to decide on a Ruger LC9 or a Kahr CM9. Both would be fine but the Ruger is cheaper, which greatly appeals to me.

Good lookin pistol!

attrapereves
01-06-2012, 07:27
Yes, there is a HUGE difference between my Glock 19 and 29/30. Heck, there is even a difference between my Kahr CW9 and Glock 19.

The only guns I can comfortably carry concealed are my 9mms. Now that it's winter, I can carry everything in a Serpa with a jacket covering it.

Beanie-Bean
01-06-2012, 07:52
Congrats on the new LC9. Good to hear an objective review of your 9X19. I've been breaking-in a Kimber Solo here recently, and there's been a lot of bashing on the other sites.

Let us know how you like it after carrying for a while.

Crosseyed Shooter
01-06-2012, 08:52
I recently purchased a Sig 290 for my "small carry" gun. The size is great and it shoots awesome. It came with night sights, a laser, and 2 mags for $499 new at my LGS. I keep the Sig in my pocket and my G29 is always close by.

10-acious
01-06-2012, 09:05
I bought one of those for my father to replace his usual carry, a S&W 36. We took it to the range and put 300 rounds thru it without a hiccup. Amazing little piece. Congratulations on yours, you will love it.

Jitterbug
01-06-2012, 09:06
Congratulations 21.

Now I know you'll be doing some ammo testing with that so I'll be looking forward to it. The Speer 147 grain Gold Dot's I carry have gotten to pricey for my wallet and I need to work on some reloads for pocket nines.

A small gun is better then no gun, so I don't think you've "strayed". The side by side illustration makes the point, concealed hip carry isn't always an option due to dress or whatever. And as you've found out carrying in your boot has some serious limitations...however still better then no gun.

I've carried a Kahr PM9 in my right front pocket in a DeSantis Nemesis since 2003, it goes everywhere. And though this type of carry has limitations, the draw isn't too bad with some practice and the right pants. Tight pockets don't work well...

I also have an OWB holster for it and again it works great too and the wife borrows that one occasionally for her EDC PM9.

I have the small 9mm issue settled and haven't bothered to replace the PM9's they work and do the job very well. The only upgrades are night sights and Crimson Trace lasers, loaded up with 147 grain Gold Dot's they should do the job more effectively then a .38 Special in a Smith 442/642. Another nice pocket pistol choice, but with a steep learning curve, heavy recoil and lack of capacity and quick reload capability...but still not a bad choice if one has the motivation to master the little beast. Loaded with 135 grain +P Gold Dot's it should work. I consider this to be the least effective and smallest CCW I'd consider carrying. Although I do have a NAA .22 derringer that I've had for many years and refuse to part with...talk about tiny gun.

I'm not that familiar with the Ruger, but have heard/read good things about it, I think it's just slightly larger then the Kahr PM9/CM9.

Looks like a good choice, I guess we'll have to review and discuss loads in another forum?

MinervaDoe
01-06-2012, 09:48
I think you'll like your LC9. I've had mine for a couple of months and I think it is a very well put together firearm. Here is a seven yard group from my second trip to the range. The gun handles amazingly well for such a little pistol.

Be sure that you read the section of the manual that states that +P+ rounds are forbidden and +P rounds will accelerate the wear of the gun.

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l496/Minervadoe/103111LC9-3.jpg

THE PUNISHER
01-06-2012, 10:23
not me, I went to the smaller ruger the LCP .380.....nice pistol, front pocket, rear pocket, neck holster....

rcd567
01-06-2012, 10:24
Dang I'm old. My past, present, and future "Get Off Me" gun is a 3" barreled S&W model 66. For you fledglings...it's a revolver. Only carries 6 rounds in this rotating cylinder. It's all steel, and has wood grips.

I know, I know...I'm a dinosaur.:upeyes:

21Carrier
01-06-2012, 10:47
I recently purchased a Sig 290 for my "small carry" gun. The size is great and it shoots awesome. It came with night sights, a laser, and 2 mags for $499 new at my LGS. I keep the Sig in my pocket and my G29 is always close by.

Dang, you got a STEAL on that P290! That was my favorite of the single stack 9s, but it was usually around $700. I went with the Ruger because it was half that price, and I think it's a little slimmer.

Congratulations 21.

Now I know you'll be doing some ammo testing with that so I'll be looking forward to it. The Speer 147 grain Gold Dot's I carry have gotten to pricey for my wallet and I need to work on some reloads for pocket nines.

Looks like a good choice, I guess we'll have to review and discuss loads in another forum?

I'm definitely going to test some 9mm loads in my wax tubes. I am really anxious to see how 10mm compares to 9mm. It's got some 124gr +P Gold Dots in it now, so that will be the first thing I test.

I think you'll like your LC9. I've had mine for a couple of months and I think it is a very well put together firearm. Here is a seven yard group from my second trip to the range. The gun handles amazingly well for such a little pistol.

Be sure that you read the section of the manual that states that +P+ rounds are forbidden and +P rounds will accelerate the wear of the gun.

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l496/Minervadoe/103111LC9-3.jpg

Yeah, I always read the manual before I shoot a gun. I had already read that about it anyway, but thanks for the heads up. I plan to carry +P, and I'll only shoot enough through it to ensure it's reliable with them.

About your target, doesn't that just kill you when you about cut out the 10, but never hit it? I do that all the time. It drives me crazy.

not me, I went to the smaller ruger the LCP .380.....nice pistol, front pocket, rear pocket, neck holster....

The LCP is definitely tiny. You're not kidding, you could carry that gun anywhere. I just wouldn't feel comfortable relying on .380ACP.

MinervaDoe
01-06-2012, 12:42
I know, I know...I'm a dinosaur.:upeyes:
I keep a Tom-A-Saurus placard over my bench in the garage to remind that I'm no spring chicken.

We're not dinosaurs.
We're seasoned.
We know hot to utilize a gun requiring a double action pull. :dunno:
My original "get off me gun" was a brand new S&W 6906. Then, later, I got my wife a tiny concealable J-Frame revolver, which became the standard against which all future concealable guns were compared.

About your target, doesn't that just kill you when you about cut out the 10, but never hit it? I do that all the time. It drives me crazy.
I'm perfectly happy surrounding the bullseye with a highly concealable, self defense type gun.

My Glocks tend to like to pick a side of the bullseye and nibble at it.
G26
http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l496/Minervadoe/Glock26a-1.jpg

G20
http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l496/Minervadoe/10mmTarget2.jpg

_The_Shadow
01-06-2012, 18:46
9 minimeter...Oh man! The 10 maximeter world is crumbling! :wow:

Congrats 21! It should be a neat conceal package pistol! :cool:

aarolar
01-06-2012, 18:53
Only girly men and women shoot 9 minimeters... :whistling:


Just kidding I have considered getting one myself but my CW40 does everything I need it to.

DeLo
01-06-2012, 19:46
I've thought about the Ruger a bit but can't get down with it yet. I love the sights on your 29, are they straight eights??

JimIsland
01-06-2012, 20:32
Congrats,Nice choice! Looking forward to a range report.

Taterhead
01-06-2012, 20:45
I keep a Tom-A-Saurus placard over my bench in the garage to remind that I'm no spring chicken.

We're not dinosaurs.
We're seasoned.
We know hot to utilize a gun requiring a double action pull. :dunno:
My original "get off me gun" was a brand new S&W 6906. Then, later, I got my wife a tiny concealable J-Frame revolver, which became the standard against which all future concealable guns were compared.


I'm perfectly happy surrounding the bullseye with a highly concealable, self defense type gun.

My Glocks tend to like to pick a side of the bullseye and nibble at it.
G26
http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l496/Minervadoe/Glock26a-1.jpg

G20
http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l496/Minervadoe/10mmTarget2.jpg

Good shooting there MinervaDoe!

Congrats carrier on the new pistol. I have heard good things. Ran two boxes through the little brother (LCP) with no trouble. After getting used to the trigger, groups tightened up. 100% function with two types of ammo. I was more impressed than I expected to be. If the larger Ruger functions as well, that will be a good deep concealment rig.

flyandscuba
01-06-2012, 22:35
I chose a DB9 as my always (right front pocket) pistol - much smaller than the LC9, with full 9mm power.

Here's the first mag full - standing, slow fire at 5 yards.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/flyandscuba/DB9rounds1-6firstmag.jpg

The remaining 100 rounds out of a WWB - standing, slow fire at 5 yards produced this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/flyandscuba/DB9rounds101-220.jpg

A target change was made and an additional 100 rounds of WWB - standing, rapid fire at 5 yards looked like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/flyandscuba/DB9rounds1-100.jpg

All this was done straight out of the box, no cleaning, no lube - nothing...

I ran a box of Pow'Rball ammo through it to assure proper function, and that is my carry load for this "always" pistol.

21Carrier
01-06-2012, 23:29
I've thought about the Ruger a bit but can't get down with it yet. I love the sights on your 29, are they straight eights??

Yep, Heinie Straight Eights. I love them.

I chose a DB9 as my always (right front pocket) pistol - much smaller than the LC9, with full 9mm power.

Here's the first mag full - standing, slow fire at 5 yards.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/flyandscuba/DB9rounds1-6firstmag.jpg

The remaining 100 rounds out of a WWB - standing, slow fire at 5 yards produced this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/flyandscuba/DB9rounds101-220.jpg

A target change was made and an additional 100 rounds of WWB - standing, rapid fire at 5 yards looked like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/flyandscuba/DB9rounds1-100.jpg

All this was done straight out of the box, no cleaning, no lube - nothing...

I ran a box of Pow'Rball ammo through it to assure proper function, and that is my carry load for this "always" pistol.

I looked at the DB9. I like that it's essentially a little Glock, but them being a new manufacturer really worried me. It's good to hear yours works well. I've heard a few bad stories, but just as many (if not more) good ones. If I end up really liking this LC9, I might try a DB9 in the future. I could see myself owning a few of these little pocket nines. They are generally really cheap (compared to other guns), and a pleasure to carry.

bac1023
01-07-2012, 08:17
Congrats! :cool:

9mm is actually my favorite caliber.

Crosseyed Shooter
01-07-2012, 08:25
[QUOTE=21Carrier;18392969]Dang, you got a STEAL on that P290! That was my favorite of the single stack 9s, but it was usually around $700. I went with the Ruger because it was half that price, and I think it's a little slimmer.

They had a Christmas sale and had great prices on different guns and safes. They said they had twelve of the 290s come in and didn't want to sit on them. I almost bought two! The LC9 is slimmer and lighter while the Sig is shorter in the grip. No regrets with mine. I do like the Ruger also.

ntree
01-07-2012, 09:58
Congrats!!

I have the Ruger LCP, and am very pleased with it. It's great for summer carry, and is with me all the time.

Nick

blastfact
01-07-2012, 11:27
You will like it 21!

I carry a PF-9 and don't see a reason to change. :)

Ethereal Killer
01-07-2012, 12:56
good on ya 21!! the 9 is much easier to carry and dont give up much for wounding.

I thing you'll be pleasantly suprised by what a 147gr will do. they penetrate pretty well actually at subsonic velocities.

Kegs
01-07-2012, 13:01
Glad to see someone is keeping the firearm industry alive. I like the 9mms and for a carry gun only, that will work fine.

Also good to know about that diamondback 9.

I can think where a pistol like that would come in handy.

21Carrier
01-07-2012, 21:27
I was busy today, but I took a few minutes to go run some ammo through the LC9. I shot 240 rounds without a single hiccup. I shot 100 rounds of Federal 115gr FMJ, 100 of PMC Bronze 115gr FMJ, 20 Speer 124gr +P Gold Dots, and 20 Winchester 124gr +P PDX1 Bonded. Everything ran just fine. My first impression was that this little thing REALLY tosses the brass! My G29 shoots 'em low and fast to about 4 o'clock. This thing arcs them way up high to about 5 o'clock. The LC9 was throwing them at least 20 feet.

Recoil is about like a G26, maybe a bit more. It's nothing to speak of after shooting 10mms for a while. However, my hands are so big, and the gun's so small, I have to really bear down to keep it still. If I don't, it moves a little, but not much. If I bear down hard, it doesn't even move under recoil. I took some video that will show that when I post it. I couldn't get it to fail even with one-handed shooting and on-purpose limp-wristing. Accuracy was great, when I did my part. The trigger will be tough to master. It seems to work best when you're just squeezing off fast rounds (that's what it's supposed to be for anyway).

Here was my first target of the day (about 15 yards):

(only the hits marked with red were from this mag, the other hits were from a mag-dump)
http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h329/21Carrier/Ruger%20LC9%20Pictures/IMG_2255.jpg

Here's a two-mag, as-fast-as-I-could-pull, speed reload group from 8 yards (business range):
http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h329/21Carrier/Ruger%20LC9%20Pictures/IMG_2259.jpg

Same 8 yard range, one magazine, slow, aimed fire (fliers from previous mag-dump):
http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h329/21Carrier/Ruger%20LC9%20Pictures/IMG_2260.jpg

Overall, I couldn't be happier. I love this little gun. It has about endless concealment options, it's very accurate, very controllable, and so far, very reliable. Glock should be making a single-stack 9mm. I think this is about as perfect of a concealed carry gun as there is out there. Of course, I'll still carry the G29, except when at work, or when I need more conceal-ability. Only time and many more rounds will fully tell the story, but so far, I love it.

I am about upload a video with some first-person shooting, and a side view of me shooting it. I'll post a link here when it hits YouTube. So for now, the Ruger LC9 has my official stamp of approval.

JimIsland
01-07-2012, 21:50
Cool...good report. How hard is it to rack the slide? My wife went to the range with me the other day and she had a difficult time chambering one in my G26 and G33. If her hands were wet or nervous I don't think she could.

gofastman
01-07-2012, 22:30
Im considering a Boberg XR-9S (http://www.bobergarms.com/notes/XR9_Shorty) :shocked:
It made just a few miles from me,
Its a lot of money though....

MinervaDoe
01-07-2012, 23:10
Overall, I couldn't be happier. I love this little gun. It has about endless concealment options, it's very accurate, very controllable, and so far, very reliable. .... I think this is about as perfect of a concealed carry gun as there is out there.
I'm glad it worked out for you.
I was amazed at how solid the little sucker is.

So, what kind of holster are you going to carry it in?

JPP
01-08-2012, 07:42
I like the 9mm also. I bought a DB 9 in the summer (traded the Keltec 380) and am very happy with it. I have run every type of ammo I own (GD 147 shoot the best), and plenty of my reloads and the gun shoots great. The only complaint is the beavertail digs and cuts the web of my hand, I have to hold the gun "just right" or it bleeds me. I do have the problem with the pin on the frame walking on me, I know DB has a replacement pin that won't walk now. I haven't gotten around to ordering one. The DB has a much better trigger than my Keltec ever did. The DB seems a bit sturdier than the Keltec also. DB was started by some guys that quit working at Keltec, I am told. Needless to say the DB9 hides anywhere easily.

Anyways....didn't want to switch topic off your LC9.
Congrats on your new gun, hope you like it.

07hemi4me
01-08-2012, 08:03
Im not ashamed to admit that My G29 companion is a Kahr PM9. and sometimes it is a Ruger LCR .357

21Carrier
01-08-2012, 23:15
Cool...good report. How hard is it to rack the slide? My wife went to the range with me the other day and she had a difficult time chambering one in my G26 and G33. If her hands were wet or nervous I don't think she could.

It's not bad at all. I'd say it's about on par with my G29. I doubt it's any easier than a G26, though. I went and visited my mom yesterday, and actually took her shooting with me. She recently had a stroke (not a bad one, but it affected her left side), and consequently, her strength in her left hand is not too good. She rarely gets out of the house anymore, and loves watching me shoot, so I let her tag along. She was able to rack it, but just barely. She had to hold the gun with her left hand, and rack it with her right. She also shot a magazine through it. She handled it fine, but I don't think she has a good idea of how to use pistol sights (despite LOTS of instruction). Anyway, it also worked fine for her.

I would recommend your wife reading the website Cornered Cat. It's a website by a woman, for women shooters. It has a good section teaching women how to rack the slide of an automatic pistol. Apparently, we (men) are not the best teachers, because we have excess strength, and technique is not important. Given the right technique, any woman should be able to rack the slide. Also, make her understand that she can't hurt the weapon. I think many women are either afraid of shooting themselves, or hurting the gun while trying to rack the slide. They need to realize that they can put some muscle behind it. I think where many fail is they try to do it too slowly and cautiously. If they would just rip the slide, and push with the grip hand really hard/fast, it should be easy, but that scares them.

Im considering a Boberg XR-9S (http://www.bobergarms.com/notes/XR9_Shorty) :shocked:
It made just a few miles from me,
Its a lot of money though....

Those are cool guns. I've heard good stuff about them, but it is VERY expensive.

I'm glad it worked out for you.
I was amazed at how solid the little sucker is.

So, what kind of holster are you going to carry it in?

I've been carrying it in a WalMart pocket holster. I think it's a Blackhawk!, but I'm not sure. It's just soft nylon, but has a suede-like outside and a strip of rubber grip material on the outside. It's perfect. It fits the gun perfectly, and works well in pocket or IWB. It doesn't move at all. I have been very pleasantly surprised with it. I'll post a pic in a minute.

I like the 9mm also. I bought a DB 9 in the summer (traded the Keltec 380) and am very happy with it. I have run every type of ammo I own (GD 147 shoot the best), and plenty of my reloads and the gun shoots great. The only complaint is the beavertail digs and cuts the web of my hand, I have to hold the gun "just right" or it bleeds me. I do have the problem with the pin on the frame walking on me, I know DB has a replacement pin that won't walk now. I haven't gotten around to ordering one. The DB has a much better trigger than my Keltec ever did. The DB seems a bit sturdier than the Keltec also. DB was started by some guys that quit working at Keltec, I am told. Needless to say the DB9 hides anywhere easily.

Anyways....didn't want to switch topic off your LC9.
Congrats on your new gun, hope you like it.

Today I noticed that the frame pin (near the beavertail) of my LC9 walked out a little. I know you're talking about your DB, but I thought it was odd that my LC9 also did it. I am not sure what caused it, and it actually surprised me, because it's pretty tough to move on purpose. I'll keep a close eye on it.

21Carrier
01-08-2012, 23:32
Here is a link to the video of me shooting the LC9, and some pics of the pocket holster I've been using:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAv2r-XR-Cw



http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h329/21Carrier/Ruger%20LC9%20Pictures/IMG_2261.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h329/21Carrier/Ruger%20LC9%20Pictures/IMG_2262.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h329/21Carrier/Ruger%20LC9%20Pictures/IMG_2263.jpg

arushus
01-09-2012, 00:21
Good vid...I did notice one thing their at the end, you gotta fat lip! Im the same way, it doesnt feel right for me to shoot without a dip!

If Im ever in a situation where I have to use my gun, and dont have a dip in, I may have to call time-out for a sec so i can get a pinch! haha

flyandscuba
01-09-2012, 14:46
I think that I've just about convinced Arne Boberg to design and produce a Boberg 45 -- in 45 GAP! :supergrin:

http://www.bobergarms.com/forum/topics/45-gap-boberg

JimIsland
01-09-2012, 16:42
Good vid...I did notice one thing their at the end, you gotta fat lip! Im the same way, it doesnt feel right for me to shoot without a dip!

If Im ever in a situation where I have to use my gun, and dont have a dip in, I may have to call time-out for a sec so i can get a pinch! haha

LOL:rofl: I said something similar to my son while shooting the other day.

"Umm Mr. BG, can you hang on a second while I go get my special shooting glasses on." :supergrin:

4949shooter
01-09-2012, 16:57
I shot some Gold Dots through my buddy's LC9. They were a bit peppy but easily controllable.

JimIsland
01-09-2012, 19:18
I would like to try some Gold Dots expansion tests in my NADA book. I popped a couple of 9mm Hornady CD and was pleasantly surprised at the expansion. I'm sure the GD ammo is even better.

blastfact
01-09-2012, 20:00
21 I use the same pocket holster at times with my PF-9.

Impressed with you recoil control and the little pocket rocket! :) I don't know why folks have issues with this class of 9mm. Boy you sure get that left thumb up twords the muzzle don't you. :) I really have to roll my left hand forward to get my thumb up there with my PF-9...

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Took a break and gathered up some pistols. The Glock grip produced the way forward weak hand thumb. :) Isn't the hand a wonderful tool.

JPP
01-09-2012, 21:11
Good shooting 21. I found shooting the little guns is easier with one hand for some reason.
Looks like you did well with controlling the gun. Dang, that looks like a looooonnnnngggggg trigger pull!!!
Did you get your brass, LOL?

21Carrier
01-10-2012, 01:20
I would like to try some Gold Dots expansion tests in my NADA book. I popped a couple of 9mm Hornady CD and was pleasantly surprised at the expansion. I'm sure the GD ammo is even better.

I'm going to run some through my wax tubes sometime soon. I am really anxious to see how 9mm ammo compares to 10mm.

21 I use the same pocket holster at times with my PF-9.

Impressed with you recoil control and the little pocket rocket! :) I don't know why folks have issues with this class of 9mm. Boy you sure get that left thumb up twords the muzzle don't you. :) I really have to roll my left hand forward to get my thumb up there with my PF-9...

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Took a break and gathered up some pistols. The Glock grip produced the way forward weak hand thumb. :) Isn't the hand a wonderful tool.

I wasn't shooting anything hot (Federal 115gr FMJ), but then again, the Gold Dots and PDX1s weren't much stiffer. They had a tad more pop, but not much. In that video, you can see when I really bear down on the gun when viewing from the side. The first two shots were with light pressure, and there's some flip. Once I put some muscle into it, there was almost ZERO flip. I was actually impressed myself when I saw the video. It makes me wonder how people even discuss muzzle flip when talking about G17s or G19s. If you put ANY grip on those guns, they should just cycle with about zero flip.

I also noticed how far forward my thumb was. That's my normal grip, I just have large hands, and VERY long fingers. It actually sort of freaked me out. I'm surprised I wasn't catching some muzzle blast. That would hurt like hell!

Good shooting 21. I found shooting the little guns is easier with one hand for some reason.
Looks like you did well with controlling the gun. Dang, that looks like a looooonnnnngggggg trigger pull!!!
Did you get your brass, LOL?

Oh yeah, I got all but 6 pieces of the brass! It does have a long trigger. But that's supposed to be part of the "safety" I guess. The thing that bothers me is that it has two reset clicks. If you only release to the first click, it won't fire. You have to release the trigger about 80-90% of the way before the second click. That means EVERY pull is super-long. You can't ride the reset like with Glocks. Still, the pull is very smooth, and not too heavy, until the very last bit. Then it gets pretty heavy.

Ethereal Killer
01-10-2012, 10:08
I'm going to run some through my wax tubes sometime soon. I am really anxious to see how 9mm ammo compares to 10mm.

Do yourself a favor and get some 147gr HP's for testing. I think you'll be suprised how well they do even at subsonic velocities.

and no, the 19/17's dont have much muzzle flip at all and are very easy to shoot quickly and accurately which is why many people choose them. they are much easier to shoot than even a 26.

JTSmith
01-10-2012, 15:13
Nice gun, 21! Just yesterday, my sister in law was trying to talk me out of my LCP because she knows I want the LC9. I'm thinking I may just keep the LCP and pick up an LC9 later on. One thing that finally clicked earlier this year(after almost 9years of CCW) is that you can never have too many carry guns. Right now, I alternate between the LCP and a 29SF, but hopefully by March, my 36(GSSF random draw) will be here:D Like I said, you can never have too many carry guns!


PS Don't let the Megameter affect your confidence in the minimeter!

21Carrier
01-11-2012, 07:08
Do yourself a favor and get some 147gr HP's for testing. I think you'll be suprised how well they do even at subsonic velocities.

and no, the 19/17's dont have much muzzle flip at all and are very easy to shoot quickly and accurately which is why many people choose them. they are much easier to shoot than even a 26.

I'll test some 147gr bullets as well. I'm just gonna do the 124s first, because that's what I carry.

Nice gun, 21! Just yesterday, my sister in law was trying to talk me out of my LCP because she knows I want the LC9. I'm thinking I may just keep the LCP and pick up an LC9 later on. One thing that finally clicked earlier this year(after almost 9years of CCW) is that you can never have too many carry guns. Right now, I alternate between the LCP and a 29SF, but hopefully by March, my 36(GSSF random draw) will be here:D Like I said, you can never have too many carry guns!


PS Don't let the Megameter affect your confidence in the minimeter!

I am starting to carry this LC9 more than I had anticipated. At first, I planned on carrying both the G29 and LC9 when I left the house to go to work, and leaving the G29 in the car (locked up) while at work. After doing so for a few days, I've started just leaving it at home. However, if I come home, I switch them out. I am MUCH more confident in the G29. Not just because of the caliber, but because I KNOW I'm better with it. If I had to make a precise shot, I could do it with the G29 much easier. Plus, it has more capacity, and has over 10k rounds through it with only like 2 failures when in carry (stock) form. I have no fears in the 9mm's ability. But it's still a lightly tested gun, and I shoot the G29 better.

Jitterbug
01-11-2012, 09:39
My PM9 gets 85% of CCW duty, it's so simple to drop it in my pocket and forget about it. I can draw and put a round where I want it pretty quickly and I think a 147 grain Gold Dot will do the job if God forbid it's ever needed.

When going for a hike/walk in the hills where animals are a potential threat the 10mm gets strapped on, unless the critters are going to get over 300-500 pounds then it's a 4" 629 in .44 Mag.

When doing some part time security work I'll strap on a Compact 1911 in .45acp simply because it hits harder and is more accurate at longer range, yet a bit lighter and a more comfortable carry then the steel 10mm, though the 1911 10mm Commander will work fine for this role as well. If I ever have to part with another pistol it will probably be the Compact .45acp, but since it's such a sweet, extremely accurate shooter and carry I plan to keep it for as long as I can.

At the end of the day it's about whats comfortable and easy to carry/conceal and fulfilling the mission with what I'm confident with and I'm darn glad I own more then one pistol.

I had a real sweet semi custom 1006 stolen from my truck many years ago in full daylight in a busy mall parking lot it's the one and only gun I've ever had stolen, ever since then I'm hesitant to leave a gun locked up in a car.

As you put more rounds through the LC9 you'll develop more confidence with it, my PM9 is pretty much a 7 yard or less gun and that's my main practice, belly distance, 3 yards, 5 yards etc, we shoot from the hip at close range quite a bit too, especially easy and fun with a laser, although I will take it out a bit further for giggles now and then.

21Carrier
01-11-2012, 11:17
I had a real sweet semi custom 1006 stolen from my truck many years ago in full daylight in a busy mall parking lot it's the one and only gun I've ever had stolen, ever since then I'm hesitant to leave a gun locked up in a car.

That has worried me as well, and it's the main reason I don't like leaving a gun in my car. It's really somewhat irresponsible. However, when I DO leave it in the car, it's either in my center console (which is lockable), or I put it under the rear seat cushion. Only another Mustang owner (and one that regularly takes his cars apart like I do) would know how to unlock the rear seat cushion to get under it. Plus, no one would ever look there, so even if the car was stolen, if it gets recovered, I could likely get the gun back. The only way I could see someone finding it is if they stole the car, then chopped it up. Then, and only then, would they find it. I only lock it in the center console if I can see the car.

Jitterbug
01-11-2012, 15:46
I seldom if ever leave a gun in the car, even back then it was a rare situation...and of course the one time I do it, it get's stolen. That was the only time I've ever had a vehicle break-in too.

Even with a locking glove box I hate to do it.

blastfact
01-11-2012, 21:10
21, Keep shooting your little 9mm. It is more than enough to dispatch a BD in close quarters.

I thought long and hard about my PF-9 purchase and my thoughts concerning action and reaction. Ran scenario's through my mind. Thought about my life actions. Like where I go who I hang out with where and what I drive.

It became clear to me, I didn't need a 3" .357 or .44 mag hidden on my body. In the car, yes at times or even my M&P .45. And now the G20 will get car duty. And I trust it.

I feel perfectly safe with my little 9mm. I have shot over 10k rounds through it. And know what it and I can do. I did crack a slide. And KT replaced it even after I admitted to shooting very hot fast powder loads in 124 and 147gn XTP's. They even sent me extra parts. I have enough recoil springs, rods, mag parts, extra slide release and spring, firing pins, springs, screws and extractors. Sights you name it. To last me a life time. :)

I spent some trigger time with your pistol when it came out. A buddy bought one and he had to stick his thumbs in his lapels and make sure i understood his LC9 was a far better weapon than my poor cheap arse PF-9.

I really liked the fit and finish of your weapon. It is a higher quality pistol. But man all the do-dad's and a grip that felt like a old P-Series pistol was a big turn off. The trigger was just like a P-11 without the double stack mag. I have to admit you have better recoil control with your pistol than I do mine. But I have never shot anything but my reloads through mine for the most part. Maybe 200 total NATO 124's oe some RSW. No Win or Fed junk.

I keep mine stoked with 147's in the fall and winter. With 124's in spring and summer. I use TightGroup and standard primers. Yeah,,,, the TG has some snap to it. Which may in part explain your better control. But it gives me a fast burn in a short barrel and helps keep the pistol pretty clean on the inside. It also expand's the brass very well for a good tight chamber gas seal. Brass is always clean and straight. With little to no unburnt powder.

Load for it! Shoot it! Practice with it! Drill with it! And if need be use the warrenty. I bet it will like your frog lube! And run like a champ for you. I bet after 30, maybe 60 days you will not feel under gunned. You will be in tune with it and beable to do things with it faster than you ever could with the 29. It will carry better, deploy better. You will beable to shoot strong or weak handed more comphy. You will all the sudden understand point shooting at a level you never knew about. Even the gangster grip will make some god awful since to you. I know,,, laugh,,, but it will. You will be able to shoot it upside down grip wise. You will figure things out you can do with it, you would have never done much less think about. Mine make a great poly/steel knuckle. Brings a whole new meaning to pistol whipping somebody. With a trigger no doubt, no less! LMAO! My PF-9 has become a Leatherman of sort's that can throw bullets. :)

What I really want is a P-11 with the holy trinity of barrels. 9mm, 40 S&W and .357 Sig. One day I will find and purchase the divine setup. :)

I look forward to your post concerning your new journey. :)

TDC20
01-12-2012, 00:00
Congrats on the LC-9, Carrier. I have been a fan of the single-stack 9 for several years. I have a Walther PPS and if I ever need a deep concealment gun or just for the comfort of carrying it, it's a great carry weapon.

The short barrels do leave a lot on the table in terms of velocity and energy compared to a conventional 9mm. I have some data to share, or should we start a thread somewhere else to discuss hand loads for short-barrel 9mm's?

dsb1829
01-12-2012, 07:23
I switch them out. I am MUCH more confident in the G29. Not just because of the caliber, but because I KNOW I'm better with it. If I had to make a precise shot, I could do it with the G29 much easier. Plus, it has more capacity, and has over 10k rounds through it with only like 2 failures when in carry (stock) form. I have no fears in the 9mm's ability. But it's still a lightly tested gun, and I shoot the G29 better.

This is usually the kind of debate I have with the pocket 9mm. I have owned the LC9 and PF9, both about 2-3mo before turning them out. They are smaller, but really take a lot more focus to shoot well (maybe practice will fix that). I don't like the fact that when I pull a shot due to bad trigger control or poor sight picture it can be off by a foot at 7yd. Even point shooting a mid or compact glock I can do better. I do think the Ruger is much nicer in the fit&finish dept. than KT, but I like the KT trigger and reset better.

Jitterbug
01-12-2012, 08:24
Small, light guns require more learning curve...if you want a real challenge attempt to master a J frame.

Load light and work your way up.

Ya, where can we start a 9mm pocket pistol reloading forum? I'm in.

arushus
01-12-2012, 11:24
Im all for a 9mm reloading thread here, in the 10 ring, lr the 10mm reloading forum, even though it is supposed to be dedicated to the 10mm. We'reall friends here, and what is the worst that can happen? They close the thread?

nickE10mm
01-12-2012, 11:26
Im all for a 9mm reloading thread here, in the 10 ring, lr the 10mm reloading forum, even though it is supposed to be dedicated to the 10mm. We'reall friends here, and what is the worst that can happen? They close the thread?

I'm all for the 9mm stuff and I'm even interested in it, however, I think that it should probably be in its own forum.... although.... if we keep the discussion between comparisons of 9mm to 10mm then its probably fine. :cool:

arushus
01-12-2012, 11:56
I agree, I just kinda feel like with us all knowing each other (as much as you can know someone on a forum) that it would be cool for those of us that own a 9mm also to share information with one another. But you are right, it belongs in the reloading forum in the "armory"

21Carrier
01-12-2012, 22:59
Congrats on the LC-9, Carrier. I have been a fan of the single-stack 9 for several years. I have a Walther PPS and if I ever need a deep concealment gun or just for the comfort of carrying it, it's a great carry weapon.

The short barrels do leave a lot on the table in terms of velocity and energy compared to a conventional 9mm. I have some data to share, or should we start a thread somewhere else to discuss hand loads for short-barrel 9mm's?

I have no problem with you posting anything you want in this thread. I would love some 9mm reloading data, velocity data, or whatever. I'll start reloading for it soon. I'll likely buy another 300 rounds or so (to build up a decent brass stockpile) before I actually start loading.

By the way, for all of you LC9 owners out there, I just made two videos that should interest you. I found that there is a SEVERE shortage of videos/instructions on how to detail strip this gun. I found one incomplete video on YouTube, and various partial written instructions. So, I just took the damn thing apart. It's needlessly complex, but not really that bad. I made two videos to help everyone else. The first one (should be up soon) will show how to FULLY disassemble and reassemble the slide. The second one (hopefully, up later tonight) will show how to fully (well 90% or so) disassemble and reassemble the frame, as well as how to remove the magazine safety. I'll post links here when they are up.

TDC20
01-13-2012, 00:09
I did some recon over on The Niner's Club forum...I swear I heard a cricket chirping....:whistling:

Anyway, I started a short-barrel 9mm data thread over there:
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1394321

Check out my data and please feel free to post your 9mm data there. And probably best not to mention the crickets...don't want to get thrown out of there. :cool:

21Carrier
01-13-2012, 00:32
Here's the first video, showing how to detail strip the slide:

Ruger LC9 Slide FULL Disassembly - YouTube

21Carrier
01-13-2012, 03:46
Here's the second video showing full disassembly/reassembly and removal of the magazine safety:

Ruger LC9 Frame Full Disassembly/Reassembly + Mag Safety Removal - YouTube

Jitterbug
01-13-2012, 08:10
Way to go TD, I see you and Robert posted some data, I have some factory loads chrono'd which I'll add when I get some time.

21, way to go on the video's, I haven't watched them yet, but will do even though I don't own the Ruger.

Good job guy's!

relayman
01-13-2012, 08:15
I was without a 9mm for many years , but now I have a G19 , and just recently traded for a NIB Kahr CM9 . I love the CM9 !

Laserlips
01-22-2012, 09:27
Small, light guns require more learning curve...if you want a real challenge attempt to master a J frame.
Load light and work your way up.
Ya, where can we start a 9mm pocket pistol reloading forum? I'm in.


Jitter:

Or better yet, just add a set of Crimson Trace Lasergrips to your favorite J-frame and accuracy at self defense distance will be no challenge.. :supergrin:

Jesse

P.S. I just gave the 638 pictured below to my favorite step-Son yesterday.


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_6347.jpg