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SpamtownG19
01-11-2012, 05:47
I recently purchased a box of 9mm 124 gr GDHPs. Are all GDHPs +p or are they loaded to standard pressure? There is no indication on the box.

hotpig
01-11-2012, 07:03
If it does not say +P on the brass and the box then it is standard pressure.

Detmongo
01-11-2012, 07:04
look at the case head. if it's +p it will be stamped on the case head, if not it's standard vel..

G19aps
01-11-2012, 07:52
For future reference, all the ammunition manufacturers have websites with information on their stuff. Some of the law enforcement versions of their sites will also have gel results.

tsmo1066
01-11-2012, 08:38
Gold Dot makes both a standard pressure 124 grain loading and also a +P 124 grain loading. If it doesn't say "+P" on the box, you got the standard pressure load.

Glolt20-91
01-11-2012, 14:00
As posted earlier, the case head stamp will answer your question. ATK has gel tested that bullet, the standard pressure 124gr GD was deemed a caliber failure by the NYSP after the death of one of their Troopers.

SpamtownG19
01-11-2012, 17:32
If the 124 gr +p aren't available at my local cabelas (best selection in this area) what would be a solid alternative? I remember seeing 115 +p core Bon when I was there last week. I will be in Sioux Falls this weekend and hopefully I can pick up better SD ammo.

tsmo1066
01-11-2012, 17:50
If the 124 gr +p aren't available at my local cabelas (best selection in this area) what would be a solid alternative? I remember seeing 115 +p core Bon when I was there last week. I will be in Sioux Falls this weekend and hopefully I can pick up better SD ammo.

If +P is not available, the standard pressure 147 GDHP is also a very good round.

I believe Cabela's also normally carries the Remington Golden Saber line. They're a bit older technology, but they do pretty well.

The 115+P Corbons are also effective, but they don't penetrate as deeply as some would prefer.

SpamtownG19
01-11-2012, 18:23
After reading a different thread here in caliber corner, I think I answered my own question. Federal HST sounds like a solid choice or Ranger T (if I can find them). Perhaps I will find some 124 +p gdhps from one of the online suppliers. Not really excited about using 147's. No personal experience just gut feeling from what I've read.
Cheers!

FatBoy
01-12-2012, 03:43
After reading a different thread here in caliber corner, I think I answered my own question. Federal HST sounds like a solid choice or Ranger T (if I can find them). Perhaps I will find some 124 +p gdhps from one of the online suppliers. Not really excited about using 147's. No personal experience just gut feeling from what I've read.
Cheers!

Not sure what you have read, but the 147s are fine. If you want 124+p, ck "sellforless" on Gunbroker.com Best deal going if looking for bulk.

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/973/handgungelcomparison.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/33/handgungelcomparison.jpg/)

you can also read this...
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#9mm

FB

firefighter4215
01-12-2012, 04:17
Not sure what you have read, but the 147s are fine.


He might possibly be thinking of articles that mention the poor performance of 147 grain hollowpoints from back in the day. I think they weren't going fast enough to reliably expand, which was actually a bullet problem, not a speed problem. I thought I'd read that this problem no longer exists today due to improvements in bullet design from all manufacturers.

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unit1069
01-12-2012, 05:11
As posted earlier, the case head stamp will answer your question. ATK has gel tested that bullet, the standard pressure 124gr GD was deemed a caliber failure by the NYSP after the death of one of their Troopers.

Any round can fail and for civilian use I wouldn't personally let one tragic incident (with many contributing variables, I'm sure) cause me to discredit a proven round for my own use.

ATK's video of the various Gold Dot/Tactical Bonded/HST comparisons shows that under most controlled tests there is very little variation in performance between caliber/weight/pressure configurations.

I'd be fine carrying standard pressure 124-grain Gold Dot if I had any.

Ghost Tracker
01-12-2012, 06:08
Agreed. I spent a lot of time & money reading & shooting before finally coming to the conclusion that most of my caliber & load concerns were simply "picking the fly scat out of the pepper". IM(most humble)O, if you're carrying a rock-solid dependable handgun, 9mm or larger, with conventional defensive ammo, from a well-regarded manufacturer...you should then only concern yourself with situational awareness, sound tactics & effective shooting technique. Because +127 feet-per-second or +.05" of bullet diameter is NOT gonna' save your bacon. At that point - It's not the arrow, it's the Indian.

Quarter Tank
01-12-2012, 08:07
I wouldn't feel underpowered in any caliber I was carrying as long as it was GD. They have been proven in every caliber and weight

Tiro Fijo
01-12-2012, 13:56
...the standard pressure 124gr GD was deemed a caliber failure by the NYSP after the death of one of their Troopers.


Between the Speer 124 gr. & the 124 gr. +p there is not a nickel's worth of difference in the FBI denim/gel tests ironically. Personally, I believe that the NYSP was too quick to change to the .45 GAP because of a few remote instances whereas the perp was a resolute human who didn't want to stop quick enough. That happens with any caliber but the NYSP hit the panic button and changed rounds. Just my 2 cents.

NG VI
01-12-2012, 15:10
HST and Ranger-T are great choices, personally I don't care for Cor-Bon, too expensive, I don't care for their style of loads anyway, and the bullets they use are rarely what anyone would consider best in class.

Today's 147 grain bullets are excellent, some of the best performers out there. And they do better out of short barrels than lighter bullets as well.

tsmo1066
01-12-2012, 15:34
Between the Speer 124 gr. & the 124 gr. +p there is not a nickel's worth of difference in the FBI denim/gel tests ironically. Personally, I believe that the NYSP was too quick to change to the .45 GAP because of a few remote instances whereas the perp was a resolute human who didn't want to stop quick enough. That happens with any caliber but the NYSP hit the panic button and changed rounds. Just my 2 cents.

I agree. The NYPD has stuck with 9mm and are quite happy by all accounts I've heard. Their standard issue load is the GD 124+P.

barth
01-12-2012, 16:38
I recently purchased a box of 9mm 124 gr GDHPs. Are all GDHPs +p or are they loaded to standard pressure? There is no indication on the box.

This is what my GDHP 9mm 124 +P box looks like -
http://www.ammoman.com/images3/SL-9MM-124-2.jpg

unit1069
01-14-2012, 09:49
ATK's video of the various Gold Dot/Tactical Bonded/HST comparisons shows that under most controlled tests there is very little variation in performance between caliber/weight/pressure configurations.

I recall writing down some stats while I was watching ATK's video a couple of years ago and I discovered them last night.

Federal 124-grain HST: 13.5" penetration and .66" expansion in denim/gel
Federal 124-grain HST +P: 14.0" penetration and .60" expansion in denim/gel
Speer 124-grain Gold Dot: 14.25" penetration and .57" expansion in denim/gel
(Didn't get the info on the 124-grain +P Gold Dot)


Federal 124-grain HST: 9.25" penetration and .41" expansion through auto glass
Speer 124-grain Gold Dot: 9.25" penetration and .58" expansion through auto glass
Federal 124-grain Tac Bonded: 10.25" penetration and .58" expansion through auto glass
Federal 135-grain Tac Bonded +P: 10.75" penetration and .51" expansion through auto glass

barth
01-15-2012, 01:31
9x19 Win Ranger +P+ |115@1320, 21.7 mv, 444 E|BR 9.6", 0.53", 2.11cu|CL 10.2", 0.65", 3.37cu|avg 2.74, 3.89 re, 0.70
9x19 - caliber
Win Ranger +P+ - the name of the load
115@1320 - bullet mass in grains @ muzzle velocity
21.7 mv - bullet momentum in lb*fps
444 E - muzzle energy in ftlbs
BR - what follows is the data for bare gelatin
9.6" inches of penetration
0.53", final expanded diameter of bullet
2.11 cu, approximation of wound volume. (this does not take into account the expansion profile as a function of depth, but it should be roughly proportionate to actual wound volume)
CL - what follows is the data for clothed gelatin
same fields as the bare gelatin, as defined above
avg 2.74 - Average wound volume, clothed and bare gelatin
3.89 re - Free Recoil Energy, assuming a 1.88 lb pistol
0.70 - Average would volume per unit Free Recoil Energy.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
9x19 Win Ranger Talon|147@ 864, 18.1 mv, 243 E|BR 13.8", 0.61", 4.03cu|CL 15.2", 0.59", 4.17cu|avg 4.10, 2.72 re, 1.51
9x19 Win Ranger Talon|147@1017, 21.4 mv, 337 E|BR 13.8", 0.66", 4.70cu|CL 15.5", 0.65", 5.14cu|avg 4.92, 3.77 re, 1.31
9x19 Win Ranger +P+ |115@1320, 21.7 mv, 444 E|BR 9.6", 0.53", 2.11cu|CL 10.2", 0.65", 3.37cu|avg 2.74, 3.89 re, 0.70
9x19 3-D |115@1178, 19.4 mv, 354 E|BR 11.6", 0.54", 2.66cu|CL 13.9", 0.48", 2.52cu|avg 2.59, 3.10 re, 0.84
9x19 Rem +P+ |115@1221, 20.1 mv, 380 E|BR 10.8", 0.63", 3.37cu|CL 10.9", 0.62", 3.29cu|avg 3.33, 3.33 re, 1.00
9x19 CCI/Speer GD |115@1259, 20.7 mv, 404 E|BR 12.3", 0.67", 4.35cu|CL 22.1", 0.40", 2.78cu|avg 3.43, 3.54 re, 0.97
9x19 CCI/Speer GD |115@1197, 19.7 mv, 365 E|BR 12.8", 0.67", 4.51cu|CL 22.6", 0.44", 3.44cu|avg 3.78, 3.20 re, 1.18
9x19 CorBon +P |115@1317, 21.6 mv, 442 E|BR 8.9", 0.52", 1.90cu|CL 10.2", 0.61", 2.98cu|avg 2.44, 3.87 re, 0.63
9x19 Fed +P |115@1237, 20.3 mv, 390 E|BR 11.2", 0.53", 2.48cu|CL 10.6", 0.62", 3.20cu|avg 2.84, 3.41 re, 0.83
9x19 Fed Silvertip |115@1091, 17.9 mv, 304 E|BR 10.1", 0.63", 3.13cu|CL 11.8", 0.58", 3.12cu|avg 3.13, 2.66 re, 1.18
9x19 CCI/Speer GD +P |124@1223, 21.7 mv, 411 E|BR 13.4", 0.68", 4.87cu|CL 20.2", 0.53", 4.47cu|avg 4.64, 3.88 re, 1.20
9x19 CCI/Speer GD |124@1116, 19.8 mv, 342 E|BR 11.8", 0.69", 4.41cu|CL 22.0", 0.36", 2.24cu|avg 3.22, 3.23 re, 1.00
9x19 Rem |124@1109, 19.6 mv, 338 E|BR 12.4", 0.60", 3.52cu|CL 13.7", 0.57", 3.50cu|avg 3.51, 3.19 re, 1.10
9x19 PMC/Eldorado SF |124@1118, 19.8 mv, 344 E|BR 10.7", 0.63", 3.32cu|CL 20.1", 0.41", 2.65cu|avg 2.98, 3.24 re, 0.92
9x19 CorBon XTP |124@1123, 19.9 mv, 347 E|BR 13.9", 0.56", 3.44cu|CL 18.3", 0.46", 3.04cu|avg 3.24, 3.27 re, 0.99
9x19 Fed HydraShok |147@ 935, 19.6 mv, 285 E|BR 13.6", 0.60", 3.85cu|CL 16.1", 0.52", 3.41cu|avg 3.63, 3.19 re, 1.14
9x19 Win Black Talon |147@ 946, 19.9 mv, 292 E|BR 14.8", 0.60", 4.20cu|CL 16.4", 0.61", 4.78cu|avg 4.49, 3.26 re, 1.38
9x19 Rem |147@ 987, 20.7 mv, 318 E|BR 18.1", 0.51", 3.71cu|CL 15.9", 0.59", 4.36cu|avg 4.03, 3.55 re, 1.14
9x19 Hornady XTP |147@ 918, 19.3 mv, 275 E|BR 22.1", 0.44", 3.36cu|CL 20.5", 0.46", 3.41cu|avg 3.18, 3.07 re, 1.04
9x19 Fed HydraShok |147@ 995, 20.9 mv, 323 E|BR 21.4", 0.37", 2.30cu|CL 15.6", 0.60", 4.41cu|avg 3.28, 3.61 re, 0.91
9x19 Win Silvertip |147@ 902, 18.9 mv, 265 E|BR 14.6", 0.53", 3.22cu|CL 18.1", 0.47", 3.14cu|avg 3.18, 2.97 re, 1.07
9x19 CCI/Speer GD+P |124@1155, 20.5 mv, 367 E|BR 13.2", 0.62", 3.99cu|CL 16.1", 0.53", 3.55cu|avg 3.77, 3.46 re, 1.09
9x19 CCI/Speer GD |124@1068, 18.9 mv, 314 E|BR 12.6", 0.59", 3.44cu|CL 17.5", 0.51", 3.57cu|avg 3.51, 2.96 re, 1.19
9x19 CCI/Speer GD |147@ 924, 19.4 mv, 278 E|BR 14.8", 0.57", 3.78cu|CL 14.7", 0.55", 3.49cu|avg 3.63, 3.11 re, 1.17
9x19 Win Ranger PG |124@1015, 18.0 mv, 283 E|BR 12.5", 0.65", 4.15cu|CL 14.0", 0.61", 4.09cu|avg 4.12, 2.67 re, 1.54
9x19 Win Ranger T |147@1016, 21.3 mv, 337 E|BR 13.8", 0.66", 4.72cu|CL 15.7", 0.00", 0.00cu|avg 2.36, 3.76 re, 0.63