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JimVol
01-12-2012, 22:40
Several years ago I bought a Charles Daly 1911. It was stainless steel, had a beaver tail grip safety, ambi safety, but I couldn't get the darn thing to feed. So I field stripped it and found it loaded with cosmoline or something similar. I figured this was the problem and I cleaned it as best I could and went back to the range. I still couldn't get the thing to feed.

This experience severely skewed my perception of the 1911. So I traded the thing off.

Since then I have been perfectly happy with my simple Khar P9 9mm. I have about 1000 rounds through it and it has never had a failure to feed.

Well, I have an itch for a full size and I was pretty settled on a Glock 17... Until I helped my buddy clean his Colt 1911 Mk IV the other day.

Now I want a Glock and a 1911. However I do not want a repeat experience with the 1911, but I feel like I didn't give the Charles Daly a fair shake. Maybe it was something simple that I should have changed?

Oh well. I guess I am having very delayed sellers remorse.

I'm going to have a budget around 600-700$

I know I can get a rock island or a Charles Daly for 400-500$... Would it be stupid to buy another import .45?

I would like to have a colt, but I can't pay the Colt tax right now.

Thanks!

Breadman03
01-12-2012, 23:24
The Ruger SR1911 should be near your price range. They can be tough to find, though.

M&P Shooter
01-13-2012, 00:47
Your CD could have had a dinged feed ramp, worn recoil spring, bad mag spring or mag lip or a number of other quick, cheap DIY fixes. The 1911 is a awesome platform and dam pretty. Take a look at Remington R1 or Ruger SR1911:wavey:

Here's my Remington 1911 R1, I added a Wilson match trigger & Wilson hammer for $55
http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab89/Glock40guy/005-6.jpg

rbsoto8
01-13-2012, 07:46
In that price range i would look for a springer loaded or a kimber custom II....They can be had for in the 650 range used in my area if you are patient....The ruger is sweet but like everyone else you are gunna pay over $800 for it when it should me mid $600's....

emopunker2004
01-13-2012, 09:29
Ruger SR1911, Remington R1E, Amercian Classic II, Taurus PT1911. I have an American Classic II. It's built in the Philippines by Metro Arms. Could not be happier.

fnfalman
01-13-2012, 09:58
I know that the Charles Daly pistols were made in the Phillipines but I don't know which Filipino gun maker turned them out for Charles Daly. I remembered seeing and handling them and just the looks alone turned me off plus a bunch of bad reports. However, nowadays the Filipino guns are pretty damn nice and still cheap as hell.

For around $400, I'd suggest something from American Tactical. They have several variations: Government type, Commander type, Officer type, railed Government type and a Commander type with clone Novak sights.

J.R. Bob Dobbs
01-13-2012, 10:27
My Rock Island Armory ($400 range new) was the first Reliable 1911 I owned. It's Philipine. I just might buy another ......

JimVol
01-13-2012, 10:31
After I started this thread last night I went to YouTube and started watching a bunch of 1911 videos. I am now convinced that I should have detail stripped the Charles Daly and cleaned more. I probably should have invested in some Chip McCormick or Wilson combat mags.

Looks like I am going to be on the hunt for a 1911 real soon. Since handling my buddy's Colt I have got an itch that has to be scratched. I will consider one of the new phillipino 1911's since I have been hearing a lot of good things about the new ones.

Maybe I will find an affordable Colt! Now that would make my day!

Thanks!

scattershot
01-13-2012, 10:35
I recently bought a Rock Island Armory Tactical model, and have been very pleased with it.

plouffedaddy
01-13-2012, 10:40
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l178/tiffani33/Guns/IMAG0566.jpg

The RIA 2011 Tactical model above is $500 on centerfire. I put a fiber optic on mine for $18 but you can get the model with Meprolight NS for $600. It's a great gun; on par with the SR1911 and PT1911 I've owned which are rivals in the entry level 1911 market.

emopunker2004
01-13-2012, 10:45
I know that the Charles Daly pistols were made in the Phillipines but I don't know which Filipino gun maker turned them out for Charles Daly. I remembered seeing and handling them and just the looks alone turned me off plus a bunch of bad reports. However, nowadays the Filipino guns are pretty damn nice and still cheap as hell.

For around $400, I'd suggest something from American Tactical. They have several variations: Government type, Commander type, Officer type, railed Government type and a Commander type with clone Novak sights.

Armscor made the Charles Daly 1911. RIA is the same as the CD

fnfalman
01-13-2012, 11:37
Maybe I will find an affordable Colt! Now that would make my day!

Thanks!

Just keep an eye out for them at your local gun shops. And then negotiate, negotiate, negotiate.

mr.scott
01-13-2012, 15:21
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l178/tiffani33/Guns/IMAG0566.jpg

The RIA 2011 Tactical model above is $500 on centerfire. I put a fiber optic on mine for $18 but you can get the model with Meprolight NS for $600. It's a great gun; on par with the SR1911 and PT1911 I've owned which are rivals in the entry level 1911 market.

the pt1911 is garbage. I've broken them just handling them in the store. My buddy that runs a gun shop wont even sell them because he gets so many back that broke after a few hundred rounds. the most common failures are the safety breaking, and slide stops snapping.

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Islander1
01-13-2012, 18:11
the pt1911 is garbage. I've broken them just handling them in the store. My buddy that runs a gun shop wont even sell them because he gets so many back that broke after a few hundred rounds. the most common failures are the safety breaking, and slide stops snapping.

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I doubt that! I have probably 10,000 trouble free rounds through my Taurus PT1911. It's the best inexpensive 1911 out there.

pnr0q54
01-13-2012, 18:38
This is an American Classic .45 cal Commander (sans the grips). As tight as my Kimber at 1/2 the price. Replaced the OEM magazine and tuned the extractor and now it is my main carry piece.

http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h473/pnr0q54/IMG_0228.jpg

Islander1
01-13-2012, 19:17
Thats a fine looking AC 1911!

bac1023
01-13-2012, 19:35
RIA and Charles Daly are the same. Both are built by Armscor in the Philippines.

The CD name isn't used anymore. Citadel took its place.

Take a look at my guide for some other suggestions in that price range. :)

fnfalman
01-13-2012, 20:26
ARMSCOR must have done something after Charles Daly because I remembered looking at some of those CD guns and told myself how junky looking they were.

emopunker2004
01-13-2012, 21:17
Gr nvm. It wont post my pictures right using flickr.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/6692781865/

JK-linux
01-13-2012, 21:41
For less than $600 you can get a cherry Norinco which are generally regarded pretty well amongst many 1911 shooters.

carloglock19
01-13-2012, 22:11
My vote is for Springfield Armory!

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sawgrass
01-13-2012, 23:09
I've seen the Ruger and a STI below $700. If you read Bac's buyer's guide
you will find that both are likely good values for the money.

bac1023
01-14-2012, 06:10
ARMSCOR must have done something after Charles Daly because I remembered looking at some of those CD guns and told myself how junky looking they were.

Older CDs were built elsewhere.

bac1023
01-14-2012, 06:11
I've seen the Ruger and a STI below $700. If you read Bac's buyer's guide
you will find that both are likely good values for the money.

Yes they are. The Desert Eagle is great as well. :)

nolt
01-14-2012, 08:25
isnt the desert eagle the gun that the CD owner blamed for 'pushing him out' of it?

seems like he posted rants on several forums that DE announced an identically-spec'd gun built by BUL shortly after he spec'd his gun out with them. he was pissed.

brisk21
01-14-2012, 10:26
I could never have a gun collection without a 1911. Even if it had to be an inexpensive one. For the $500 range, Id look for a used Springfield or Colt. You may be able to find someone asking slightly more than that and talk them down. Maybe save up another 1 or 2 hundred and then you'd easily be able to find a good Colt or Springfield.

Six4Sure
01-15-2012, 17:06
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l178/tiffani33/Guns/IMAG0566.jpg

The RIA 2011 Tactical model above is $500 on centerfire. I put a fiber optic on mine for $18 but you can get the model with Meprolight NS for $600. It's a great gun; on par with the SR1911 and PT1911 I've owned which are rivals in the entry level 1911 market.

I love me Rock Island. I got the GI, but didnt like the mil sights so it now has a fiber optic front with Wilson dots out back. I also ditched the smooth wood grips for some inexpensive colt rubber grips. I run Wilson combat mags in it. Throw away the junk factory one.

It will shoot anything, ball, hollowing even semi-wadcutters!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/jstandridge23/1911/Sights-2.jpg

jrs93accord
01-15-2012, 17:58
From my standpoint, there is nothing wrong with the Filipino-made 1911s. I own several of them. Fortunately, today's market gives you a variety of choices within a common price range. Some of the best 1911s on the market right now are not made in the USA. With 81 1911s in my collection, foreign made 1911s make up about 20% of them. I would give close attention to the Desert Eagle 1911G, the Rock Island 1911s, American Classic 1911s, and American Tactical FX45 1911s.

My Filipino 1911s

ATI
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/007-1.jpg

Charles Dalys
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2010/001-25.jpg
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2010/005-3.jpg

Cimarron Arms
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/006-2.jpg

High Standard
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea_08/jamesrea09/jamesrea10/004-2.jpg

jrs93accord
01-15-2012, 17:58
Iver Johnson
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/6928/001qj.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/83/001qj.jpg/)

Metro Arms/American Classic
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/001-1-1.jpg

RIA
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011/002-21.jpg

S.A.M.
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/005-4.jpg

STI SPARTAN
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2010/002-24.jpg

Joshhtn
01-15-2012, 18:54
Love my STI Spartan!

thejellster05
01-15-2012, 19:00
I recently bought a Rock Island Armory Tactical model, and have been very pleased with it.

Me too! Love that thing!

Grappler112
01-15-2012, 21:31
For around 700 I love my springfield mil-spec

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JimVol
01-16-2012, 18:19
I think I found my .45. Today I went to my local pawn and gun shop. He had a stainless Para GI-Expert for around $600.00. I think I am going to go put it in layaway. The action was smooth and everything felt simply perfect.

It felt much better than my old Charles Daly.

So with that said. Does anyone have any opinions or reservations about this gun or manufacturer? I want to be able to tinker with it some. Will para allow the figment of custom parts? Like a Wilson combat grip safety etc etc?

jrs93accord
01-17-2012, 02:48
I think I found my .45. Today I went to my local pawn and gun shop. He had a stainless Para GI-Expert for around $600.00. I think I am going to go put it in layaway. The action was smooth and everything felt simply perfect.

It felt much better than my old Charles Daly.

So with that said. Does anyone have any opinions or reservations about this gun or manufacturer? I want to be able to tinker with it some. Will para allow the figment of custom parts? Like a Wilson combat grip safety etc etc?

I think I would shop around a bit more. I will also say this, of the 81 1911s I own, I do not, and will not, own a Para.

JimVol
01-17-2012, 08:49
I think I would shop around a bit more. I will also say this, of the 81 1911s I own, I do not, and will not, own a Para.

Do tell a newbie. Why stay away from para?

Thanks!

jrs93accord
01-17-2012, 13:16
Do tell a newbie. Why stay away from para?

Thanks!

Para does not have the greatest of reputations. Over past few years, their quality and craftsmanship has been hit and miss. IMHO, they are longer one of the prime players in the 1911 world.

TxGlock9
01-17-2012, 22:35
Best place to buy RIA's?? Also Remington R1.

wrx04
01-17-2012, 23:19
Para does not have the greatest of reputations. Over past few years, their quality and craftsmanship has been hit and miss. IMHO, they are longer one of the prime players in the 1911 world.

In your opinion, what ARE the prime players in the 1911 world?