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Trigger Time 23
01-13-2012, 08:38
I am starting reloading for .45 ACP. I have some Berry's plated .45 projectiles on the way. I think I have settled on using W-231 powder. Hodgdon lists 4.2-5.3 grains as the load range for this powder and bullet. I have read elsewhere that some guys like 5.5 grains, but this is over max listed. Obviously I will work the load up, but was wondering what you guys use. Thanks for any and all suggestions.

By the way I love reading all the reloading section of GT. Very informative. I don't post much but read lots.

XDRoX
01-13-2012, 08:52
I am starting reloading for .45 ACP. I have some Berry's plated .45 projectiles on the way. I think I have settled on using W-231 powder. Hodgdon lists 4.2-5.3 grains as the load range for this powder and bullet. I have read elsewhere that some guys like 5.5 grains, but this is over max listed. Obviously I will work the load up, but was wondering what you guys use. Thanks for any and all suggestions.

By the way I love reading all the reloading section of GT. Very informative. I don't post much but read lots.

That data you are looking at is for jacketed bullets and you bought plated ones. Plated data falls in between jacketed and lead. All other things equal, lead usually takes less powder than jacketed and so does plated.

So you'll want to stay away from max loads (listed for jacketed) using plated bullets.
Assuming you bought 230gr plated bullets from Berry's IMO you would be wise to start around 4.2gr and work your way up.

Hope that helps.

Zombie Steve
01-13-2012, 09:11
I don't have a ton of experience with plated bullets, but I've shot some my buddy made up... 5.1 grains of 231. We were using a pretty short overall length (1.220") so we didn't have to mess with the die for the lead bullets we cast. If the plated is a 230 round nose, I'd probably test it with an OAL of 1.260" (or the longest oal that works in your gun) just to give yourself a little more wiggle room.

For what it's worth, the lead data in speer 13 is showing 5.1 as a start charge and 5.6 grains as a max with a 230 lead round nose loaded to 1.270". 6.2 is max for their 230 fmj bullet.

Anyway, hope it helps. If nothing else, It'll bump the thread for someone with more time using 231 and plated bullets.

Trigger Time 23
01-13-2012, 09:16
That data you are looking at is for jacketed bullets and you bought plated ones. Plated data falls in between jacketed and lead. All other things equal, lead usually takes less powder than jacketed and so does plated.

So you'll want to stay away from max loads (listed for jacketed) using plated bullets.
Assuming you bought 230gr plated bullets from Berry's IMO you would be wise to start around 4.2gr and work your way up.

Hope that helps.

Sounds good. I was planning on starting at 4.2 grains or even a little less and working up.

gforester
01-13-2012, 09:18
Your load might also depend on what firearm you are using. I load my .45acp to 4.4 grains of W231/HP38 using 230 grain RN moly coated lead. They function perfectly well in my H&K USP but would sometimes FTE in my HK45. I would say add .1 to .2 grains to recommended load for lead bullets as a starting point. Just make sure you load it hot enough to insure good function and you should be good to go.

FWIW Hodgdon recommends 4.3 - 5.3 grains for LRN and 4.2 - 5.3 for JHP, both at 1.200" go figure.

Trigger Time 23
01-13-2012, 09:19
I don't have a ton of experience with plated bullets, but I've shot some my buddy made up... 5.1 grains of 231. We were using a pretty short overall length (1.220") so we didn't have to mess with the die for the lead bullets we cast. If the plated is a 230 round nose, I'd probably test it with an OAL of 1.260" (or the longest oal that works in your gun) just to give yourself a little more wiggle room.

For what it's worth, the lead data in speer 13 is showing 5.1 as a start charge and 5.6 grains as a max with a 230 lead round nose loaded to 1.270". 6.2 is max for their 230 fmj bullet.

Anyway, hope it helps. If nothing else, It'll bump the thread for someone with more time using 231 and plated bullets.

Thank you much for the information. I appreciate the help.

Trigger Time 23
01-13-2012, 09:21
Your load might also depend on what firearm you are using. I load my .45acp to 4.4 grains of W231/HP38 using 230 grain RN moly coated lead. They function perfectly well in my H&K USP but would sometimes FTE in my HK45. I would say add .1 to .2 grains to recommended load for lead bullets as a starting point. Just make sure you load it hot enough to insure good function and you should be good to go.

FWIW Hodgdon recommends 4.3 - 5.3 grains for LRN and 4.2 - 5.3 for JHP, go figure.

I will be shooting these mainly out of a Colt Commander 1911. Again, thank you for the information.

Trigger Time 23
01-13-2012, 09:23
Are you guys happy using W-231, or is there something better? I am planning on picking up 1# tonight and after researching had settled on W-231, but I am open to other suggestions.

fredj338
01-13-2012, 09:28
Sounds good. I was planning on starting at 4.2 grains or even a little less and working up.

I doubt the gun even runs @ 4.2gr, pretty low charge, even for lead or plated. My IDPA load is a 225grLRN w/ 5.1gr @ 1.230" for 790fps. A plated would probably run about 770fps in a 5" gun.
Are you guys happy using W-231, or is there something better?
WST my man, WST!:supergrin:

Trigger Time 23
01-13-2012, 09:37
I doubt the gun even runs @ 4.2gr, pretty low charge, even for lead or plated. My IDPA load is a 225grLRN w/ 5.1gr @ 1.230" for 790fps. A plated would probably run about 770fps in a 5" gun.

WST my man, WST!:supergrin:

What is the advantage of WST over W-231?

XDRoX
01-13-2012, 09:39
What is the advantage of WST over W-231?

It smells way better for one :supergrin:

tjpet
01-13-2012, 10:24
What is the advantage of WST over W-231?

Better accuracy and cleaner burning.

meleors
01-13-2012, 11:33
W231 5.0gr @ 1.250" for a Berry's 230gr RN plated.

This is a good target load that is fairly soft shooting.

Trigger Time 23
01-13-2012, 11:39
W231 5.0gr @ 1.250" for a Berry's 230gr RN plated.

This is a good target load that is fairly soft shooting.

Thanks for the info.

fredj338
01-13-2012, 12:32
Better accuracy and cleaner burning.
^^THIS^^ WST is very slightly faster than W231, burns cleaner, high loft, soft recoil, tremendous accuracy, less smoke w/ lead bullets & it smells good!:wow: What's not to like? Best powder I have ever tried in the 45acp & I have tried a few. One of the VV may rival it, but @ nearly twice the price.:whistling:

Trigger Time 23
01-13-2012, 12:48
^^THIS^^ WST is very slightly faster than W231, burns cleaner, high loft, soft recoil, tremendous accuracy, less smoke w/ lead bullets & it smells good!:wow: What's not to like? Best powder I have ever tried in the 45acp & I have tried a few. One of the VV may rival it, but @ nearly twice the price.:whistling:

WST it is. I am going to pick up some after work. Hopefully it is in stock. Thanks for all the information from everyone. Greatly appreciated.

SigFTW
01-13-2012, 12:50
I use Bullseye for my 45ACP and never thought about changing. I think I will pick up a pound of WST and see what it can do. If it's cleaner and better accuracy it's worth a try!

sellersm
01-13-2012, 13:39
I'm really liking WST in my new .45 loads! Either 200gr or 230gr, works great!

Zombie Steve
01-13-2012, 13:48
Of course, the real answer to the question is Unique... WSF if you're the emotional type what gets whiny about metering. :whistling:

meleors
01-13-2012, 14:18
The easiest solution would be to use WTF. Charge wt and OAL are not a concern with WTF powder. :whistling:

Trigger Time 23
01-13-2012, 14:29
The easiest solution would be to use WTF. Charge wt and OAL are not a concern with WTF powder. :whistling:

I have been waiting for this suggestion. Now my Friday is complete!

GioaJack
01-13-2012, 15:24
^^THIS^^ WST is very slightly faster than W231, burns cleaner, high loft, soft recoil, tremendous accuracy, less smoke w/ lead bullets & it smells good!:wow: What's not to like? Best powder I have ever tried in the 45acp & I have tried a few. One of the VV may rival it, but @ nearly twice the price.:whistling:

Next you guys are gonna be demanding a powder that smells like lavender with a cinnamon overtone. Shooting sure has changed over the years.

What ever happened to the smell of napalm in the morning? Oh, wait, that's been replaced with low-fat lattes. I almost forgot. :whistling:


Jack

fredj338
01-13-2012, 16:45
Next you guys are gonna be demanding a powder that smells like lavender with a cinnamon overtone. Shooting sure has changed over the years.

What ever happened to the smell of napalm in the morning? Oh, wait, that's been replaced with low-fat lattes. I almost forgot. :whistling:


Jack

I am a real man Jack! I drink my latte w/ 1/2 & 1/2!:strong: Besides, Xdrox was the one that started the "it smells like victory" tune.

mjb03bolt
01-13-2012, 17:02
I run 2 different loads for my 45's. one is for the G21 - 4.9 grs of W231 @1.260 col. The other for an old Browning BDA is 5.3grs of W231 @ 1.265 col. The browning dosen't run well with anything lighter than that. As always start low and work your way up. I started the Browning at a 4.3 gr. load and went up till it functioned well with no signs of over pressure.
Be safe.

mjb

edit: forgot to add I use 230gr jacketed and plated bullets.

meleors
01-14-2012, 07:28
Next you guys are gonna be demanding a powder that smells like lavender with a cinnamon overtone. Shooting sure has changed over the years.

What ever happened to the smell of napalm in the morning? Oh, wait, that's been replaced with low-fat lattes. I almost forgot. :whistling:


Jack

Keep the lavender. However, the smell of freshly baked cinnamon rolls would be delightful! :supergrin: