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Nestor
01-14-2012, 10:01
So, I'm trying to fight the urge of buying a classic .45 semi-auto for a while.
Was thinking 1911 sometimes next year, but as usual, when I'm nearly out of cash there is some interesting firearm popping out. S&W 645 with one magazine fired since new. I'm not exactly long enough on this continent to know anything about this pistol. I don't like stainless steel much, but it can be corrected later on with the custom finish. I've read somewhere that this monster will feed even the empty cases. Sounds pretty sweet to me.
Any personal experience?
Opinions on the right price for such rarity?
Thanks in advance for your feedback.

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Gary1911A1
01-14-2012, 10:19
I have one and it has never malfunction with factory ammo although I have never tried empty cases. If I found one at a good price I'd consider getting it as a spare. My later 4506 feels good in the hand, has a better trigger, but it still doesn't shoot as well for me. It's reliable, but not as accurate.

Nestor
01-14-2012, 10:28
Thanks.
I'm reading now that the later model (4506) has better trigger, sights and safety lever. However (seems to be a paradox) people are saying that they liked 645 a bit better. Safety can be replaced with the one from 4506 along with the rear sight and trigger may be smoothened by the gunsmith. Parts may be a problem I guess, since it's been...what? 30 years out of production now...ohhh well, I will probably start talking price with the owner.

DFin
01-14-2012, 10:39
Sonny Crockett carried one. Doesn't that settle it?
My 669 & 5906 have never jammed or failed in any way with any ammo. Even some cheapo Egyptian 9mm with which the shall casings would crack after being fired & ejected. They too will feed empty cases.

Nestor
01-14-2012, 10:47
Sonny Crockett carried one. Doesn't that settle it?
My 669 & 5906 have never jammed or failed in any way with any ammo. Even some cheapo Egyptian 9mm with which the shall casings would crack after being fired & ejected. They too will feed empty cases.

:rofl:
I don't have an alligator on my yacht though, so I'm not sure if I'm good enough for this gun.
Carrying?
Not an option here and it's probably too big anyway.

Line Rider
01-14-2012, 12:08
The biggest draw backs on the 645, 4506 or 4506-1 are the size and weight. For most people these guns were too heavy or too large to carry on a daily basis. One of the guys I went thru the police academy with carried a 4506. He never shoot less than 100% with it and he was left handed. When our, then department, settled on Glocks he went to a GL 22 due to the weight.

To carry a Smith .45 auto you almost have to have a Ted Blocker Lifeline Rig.

http://www.tedblockerholsters.com/product.cfm?pi=5D33EE21-B65D-3BC4-05822228CA89164F

BTW I carried a SIG P220 and P226 back then.

Bruce M
01-14-2012, 13:33
When I was looking for a 4506 I found a 4505 for less than a couple of the 4506s so I got it. 222043

Heavy, seems well made, no functioning issues.

Bullman
01-14-2012, 13:52
I have one and it has never malfunction with factory ammo although I have never tried empty cases. If I found one at a good price I'd consider getting it as a spare. My later 4506 feels good in the hand, has a better trigger, but it still doesn't shoot as well for me. It's reliable, but not as accurate.

That was my experience as well. My 645, which was the first handgun I ever owned, was a shooter, very accurate. The trigger was rough, it felt like a 2x4 and I positively hated the stainless front blade with the red ramp insert, but it sure did shoot good. Never could shoot the 4506 that replaced it as well.

I carried the 4506 as a duty gun for a while, and I have the back trouble to prove it. But they are solid dependable guns. My 4506 would feed unsized empty cases, the instructors at the auto pistol transition school would put empty cases in your magazine to cause malfunctions. They were always astonished that I wasn't getting failure to feeds from the empty cases, it was just tap rack bang and go on.

Line Rider
01-14-2012, 14:01
I officer that posted about above was one of the first guys I knew that was shooting IDPA. He started shooting IDPA and IPSC with his 4506. He probably had 5000 rounds thru the gun in about 2 or 3 yrs. I don't remember him ever saying it manfuctioned.

USDefender
01-14-2012, 14:03
So, I'm trying to fight the urge of buying a classic .45 semi-auto for a while.
Was thinking 1911 sometimes next year, but as usual, when I'm nearly out of cash there is some interesting firearm popping out. S&W 645 with one magazine fired since new. I'm not exactly long enough on this continent to know anything about this pistol. I don't like stainless steel much, but it can be corrected later on with the custom finish. I've read somewhere that this monster will feed even the empty cases. Sounds pretty sweet to me.
Any personal experience?
Opinions on the right price for such rarity?
Thanks in advance for your feedback.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/Admon/100_0737.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/Admon/100_0738.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/Admon/100_0750.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/Admon/100_0753.jpg


WOW! Now THAT'S a pretty firearm... :wow:

I think I must be getting older, 'cause for the first time in my life, I'm considering getting myself a 1911. (I'd seriously consider one of these, though, if I ran accross one at a decent price...) Nice.

isp2605
01-14-2012, 16:38
When I was commanding a couple of drug task forces I carried this 645. I've never had a malfunction of any kind regardless of the type of ammo. I've even run some old, nasty looking handloads without problem. It will feed empty brass and never bobble.
While not a target gun it will do 2" at 25 yds with 230 gr Hydrashok and 230 gr Hornady +P duty ammo. Soft shooting reloads are a puppy to shoot.
Now the downside. Heavy! Carrying it on 14-18 hr days and you'll know it. But the weight makes the +P loads easy to shoot.
Mine wasn't the greatest trigger when I got it. I ran 500+ rds thru it and it smoothed up a whole lot. Don't know if it got lighter but the smoothness made it feel lighter. I then swapped out all the springs with a set of Wolffs. It's now got a really sweet trigger.
If you decide on the 645 look at the right side decocking/safety lever. Most were held on with a phillips heads screw. If so then just put a drop of Locktite on it. Without the Locktite it will shoot loose and you'll lose the screw and probably the lever. Many have replaced the screw set up with the newer plunger style. It's no big deal either way. Just be aware that if it has the phillips screw it needs Locktite.

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Gary1911A1
01-14-2012, 16:46
The 645s' and first 4506, not the 4506-1st', only had a weight of 36 ounces which is about the same as the ColtCombat Commander and several other service pistols of that time. The 4506-1 were built on the same frame as the 10MM S&Ws which was heavier than they needed to be. I think that and being smaller made the 4566 more popular than the 4506-1.

Nestor
01-14-2012, 18:10
Thank You for your feedback Guys. It's very educative for me, as I never heard about this model before. Looks like I won't buy this, particular pistol, as the owner has rather unreal expectations about the price ($800) and doesn't want to even listen to my offer ($650). However thanks to You and the provided information I will be looking around for the other 645 or 745 from now on. Actually there is one 745 priced at $599 in one of the on-line stores here. We will see I guess. Thanks again :wavey:

Line Rider
01-14-2012, 22:07
Ok, question for all us old timers...Will a Smith 645/4506 feed and function with the 200 gr. CCI "Flying Ashtray.:whistling:

bac1023
01-14-2012, 22:28
Great pistols indeed :)

isp2605
01-14-2012, 22:43
Ok, question for all us old timers...Will a Smith 645/4506 feed and function with the 200 gr. CCI "Flying Ashtray.:whistling:

Mine will. Those were the first loads I carried in mine. Mine has never had any fluff and buff on the feed ramp, that's stock.

I'M Glockamolie
01-15-2012, 00:13
Look at my factory "hybrid" from S&W. It's a 6450. It has a 645 slide on a 1st Gen 4506 frame. It was a run for RSR Distributors. I bought it new (actually my Mom had to buy it, then give it to me when I turned 21). It originally had white dot adjustables on the rear - and still does - but it had a red ramp front. They made I think 178 of them. What an oddball. Back 20 years ago, it went to Novak's .45 Shop for a trigger job and to fix that front sight. I have never met a round it wouldn't fire and cycle, and yes, it will cycle empty cases every time. I know my other guns work without fail, but I just KNOW that this one will work each and every time.

EDIT: I just actually looked at your pics, and saw the red ramp on that 645. Yup, looked familiar.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/bsparks7/SW6450/6450002.jpg

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Folsom_Prison
01-15-2012, 00:24
Damn nice!!

Bullman
01-15-2012, 07:56
Ok, question for all us old timers...Will a Smith 645/4506 feed and function with the 200 gr. CCI "Flying Ashtray.:whistling:

Mine did just fine. I had a buddy who has since passed that used to take those rounds and put a bit of Anagel in the hollow cavity and then cap it with a magnum pistol primer. He said it wasn't prudent to magazine feed those:shocked:

Line Rider
01-15-2012, 09:34
This a very nice 6450. I remember those transitional or hybid guns that RSR had made up. Those were a little cheaper that the 4 digit gun, but worked as well.

Now, I'm wanting a 4506 or a 1006 and a Ted Blocker Lifeline rig...:rofl:

Where are my Wayfarers and Amani jacket?

Gary1911A1
01-15-2012, 11:08
When S&W decided to take the 645 and sig style it the design seemed to suffer in it's accuracy and some have stated the 4506 is not as reliable, but my early 4506 with the original blade type rear sight has been 100 percent.

zenner22
01-15-2012, 13:36
My 645 would feed empty cases as well, something I decided to try after reading that it would do so in a gun magazine. The flying ashtray was never a problem with these guns. I traded mine in for the new improved 4506. Still have the 4506 but have recently been browsing for 645 that's in nice shape. The prices seem to be increasing a bit on these.

jolly roger
01-15-2012, 15:53
The 645 was the first semi auto that we carried when transitioning from revolvers. Dang fine pistol. The safeties would sometimes come loose but red locktite took care of that. Then we went to 4506s and 4516s for detectives. Very little trouble with them...then we went to HK USPs...Good gun, but lousy parts service and customer service at the time. Now we have G21SFs and G30SFs. I should have bought one of our cherry 645s when I had a chance...

Bruce M
01-16-2012, 07:06
.... The prices seem to be increasing a bit on these.


Agreed. This weekend I saw a 645 that was marked at $595 and a 4506 that was 700. Neither appeared to be in exceptional condition either.

TonyT
01-16-2012, 17:38
I have never fed my S&W645 empty cases but I can attest to the fact that it has been totally reliable with 185 gr. LSWC. 185 $ 230 gr. JHP, and 185, 200 & 230 gr.jacketed bullets.
I purchased an unfired old dealers stock with 5magazines for $500 without box ca 4 years ago.
The only minus is the safety lever on the right side held in by a screw which needs a dab of Loctite otherwise it will loosen.

I'M Glockamolie
01-17-2012, 20:10
I found the sales card for the 6450 from 1990 or so:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/bsparks7/SW6450/002.jpg

ghamden
02-09-2012, 19:11
Lucked up on 645 today in mint condition looks as if it were never fired Pacmyr grio nice sights took it to the range ran 50 rounds dead on accurate no issues no rattles everything look good field stripped looks to be well built

500.00 well spent

Gary1911A1
02-10-2012, 07:31
Lucked up on 645 today in mint condition looks as if it were never fired Pacmyr grio nice sights took it to the range ran 50 rounds dead on accurate no issues no rattles everything look good field stripped looks to be well built

500.00 well spent

Glad to hear it. You know I can't recall anyone having a problem with the 645 other than losing one of the safety levers due to the screw loosing up.

joecoastie
02-10-2012, 13:55
Lucked up on 645 today in mint condition looks as if it were never fired Pacmyr grio nice sights took it to the range ran 50 rounds dead on accurate no issues no rattles everything look good field stripped looks to be well built

500.00 well spent

Very nice!