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Bob Hafler
01-16-2012, 18:20
Shot show XD-s Single stack 45. What's next the Single stack 9mm.Wonder what Glock is going to bring to the table?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC2bG...layer_embedded

MrVvrroomm
01-16-2012, 18:25
Glock has had a single stack 45 for a long time. The XD just keeps copying. Don't hold your breath for a single stack 9mm or 40 from XD or Glock.

bunk22
01-16-2012, 18:40
Nice!!

Bob Hafler
01-16-2012, 18:41
Time will tell if your right or not. Should be a very interesting year. I'm thinking S/A will have a 9mm single stack on the market is a couple months. One thing S/A seems to listen to what there customers want.

bunk22
01-16-2012, 18:43
Glock has had a single stack 45 for a long time. The XD just keeps copying. Don't hold your breath for a single stack 9mm or 40 from XD or Glock.

Or they copied the Kahr PM45, or maybe that whole single stack 1911 thingy that has been going on for all these years :supergrin:

fnfalman
01-16-2012, 19:13
Hmm...I've always liked the XD 45, but I disliked the large grip. A single stack XD 45...I can dig it.

fnfalman
01-16-2012, 19:14
Glock has had a single stack 45 for a long time. The XD just keeps copying. Don't hold your breath for a single stack 9mm or 40 from XD or Glock.

Yeah, because before Glock there had never been any single stack .45 ACP pistol.:rofl:

Tim151515
01-16-2012, 19:26
Yeah, because before Glock there had never been any single stack .45 ACP pistol.:rofl:

I think they were refering to taking a wonder 9 and turning it into a slim .45. Most other single stack .45's were designed to be that way.

Bob Hafler
01-16-2012, 19:27
Have to admit I chuckled to at the copying Glock statement. Just didn't want to get into that nonsense.

kindaclever1
01-16-2012, 20:26
Very nice! But only 5 rounds versus the Glock 36's 6 rounds. I think I'll hold on to my 36. I do have to say I like the light rail which I wish the 36 had. It would make a cool add on for the Gen 4 36, but I do not see that happening.

bunk22
01-16-2012, 20:33
According to some, SA might be coming out with a single stack 9mm....internet rumor but so was a single stack 45. Not a fan of just 5 or 6 rounds though.

bac1023
01-16-2012, 20:41
Very cool :cool:

svtpwnz
01-16-2012, 21:01
Looks pretty nice, I wonder how it compares to a PM45 in size?

carbuncle
01-17-2012, 08:02
Hmm...I've always liked the XD 45, but I disliked the large grip. A single stack XD 45...I can dig it.

Me too, I'm carrying 6 rounds of .40 right now so swapping for 6 rounds of .45 is no problem. Nice design, I'm looking forward to seeing this gun in the shops.

purrrfect 10
01-17-2012, 08:12
The 45 acp XDS may be knew to Springfield Armory but it is not new to Glock

The G36 45 is ever so slightly bigger where it counts

G 36................... XDS

Width 1.10 ...........1.0 less than 1/8"
Length 6.97...........6.3
Height 4.76 ...........4.4
weight L 26.98........29 oz
Barrel L 3.78 ..........3.3

G36.1/8 of an inch in wider.
G36 5/8 longer barrel advantage
G36 is lighter
G36 hold 7 rounds total XDS 6

My choice would be the reliable Glock 36

Bob Hafler
01-17-2012, 08:42
Nice read on this latest addition to the XDline of pistols

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/springfield-armory-xds/

VBVAGUY
01-17-2012, 11:58
I like it and would like to get one when they come out. God Bless :)

The Habit
01-17-2012, 12:17
Nice to have another plastic single stack 45 option. My G36 was dead nuts reliable but for some reason, I just couldn't shoot it for ****. I shoot all my other Glocks very capably; the 36 just didn't like me I guess. I'd like to get some trigger time behind the XD. Honestly, it's the first XD to pique my interest at all.

cowboy1964
01-17-2012, 12:40
A single stack 9mm XD would make a heck of a lot more sense than a .45.

fnfalman
01-17-2012, 13:21
I think they were refering to taking a wonder 9 and turning it into a slim .45. Most other single stack .45's were designed to be that way.

How are you taking a 9mm double stack and turn it into a slim .45?

XD already have the double stack .45 and they just simply slimmed it down to single stack. Makes perfect sense to me - cater to the people who have smaller hands and still want .45ACP pistol.

Bilbo Bagins
01-17-2012, 14:21
The 45 acp XDS may be knew to Springfield Armory but it is not new to Glock

The G36 45 is ever so slightly bigger where it counts

G 36................... XDS

Width 1.10 ...........1.0 less than 1/8"
Length 6.97...........6.3
Height 4.76 ...........4.4
weight L 26.98........29 oz
Barrel L 3.78 ..........3.3

G36.1/8 of an inch in wider.
G36 5/8 longer barrel advantage
G36 is lighter
G36 hold 7 rounds total XDS 6

My choice would be the reliable Glock 36

I don't understand why the XD is smaller than the Glock 36, and carries one less round, but it weighs more. Heck the larger 8 shot Ruger P345 weighs 29oz. The XDs almost the same dimensions as the Kahr CW45 and that weighs 19.7 oz, that an almost 10oz difference for a gun that will sell for cheaper and has an 6+1 capacity.

It smells a little like Fail to me.

D3S3RT_P3NGU1N
01-17-2012, 15:16
The 45 acp XDS may be knew to Springfield Armory but it is not new to Glock

The G36 45 is ever so slightly bigger where it counts

G 36................... XDS

Width 1.10 ...........1.0 less than 1/8"
Length 6.97...........6.3
Height 4.76 ...........4.4
weight L 26.98........29 oz
Barrel L 3.78 ..........3.3

G36.1/8 of an inch in wider.
G36 5/8 longer barrel advantage
G36 is lighter
G36 hold 7 rounds total XDS 6

My choice would be the reliable Glock 36


Actually 29oz is the unloaded weight of the XDs, I'd expect the loaded weight to be in around 34oz or 35oz, which makes the Glock about half a pound lighter when loaded

Bob Hafler
01-17-2012, 16:49
Think I'll hold off on to strong of an opinion till I actually have one in my hands to feel and look over. Was at the range this morning,LGS says he's got them on order already. I think they made the single stack 45 because S/A customers have been wanting them to make one. If S/A stays with what they've done in the past a single stack 9MM and 40 Cal. will not be far behind. Then the fun will really begin.:supergrin:

cal45
01-17-2012, 22:00
Actually 29oz is the unloaded weight of the XDs, I'd expect the loaded weight to be in around 34oz or 35oz, which makes the Glock about half a pound lighter when loaded

I wonder how much the addition of the XD grip safety adds to the weight.

MinnesnowtaWild
01-17-2012, 22:20
Seems like a cool gun, but 5 rounds of .45 ACP in a 29 oz empty gun is a deal breaker for me. Just my opinion, please don't hate.

ctfireman
01-18-2012, 05:32
Sold..

Bilbo Bagins
01-18-2012, 08:17
Seems like a cool gun, but 5 rounds of .45 ACP in a 29 oz empty gun is a deal breaker for me. Just my opinion, please don't hate.


+1

Like D3S3RT_P3NGU1N said its a 1/2lb difference when compared to the G36, and you start getting into the 1911 commander weight class with the XD-S.

If it was a 6+1, I might give it a pass, but a 5+1, Heck at that point now I'm looking at big bore snub nose revolvers as an alternative.

fnfalman
01-18-2012, 10:32
I'd like to see these two guns weighed side by side. How can a gun, smaller in size, with plastic frame can be half a pound heavier than the other?

phobiarg
01-22-2012, 16:30
It HAS to be a typo... The 3.8 double stack XDM45 is only 27oz with a mag.

oily_oink
01-22-2012, 16:33
I WANT!!! :supergrin:

Airborne Infantryman
01-22-2012, 16:35
FWIW, my Glock 36 malfunctioned no matter who shot it (5 different shooters), and no matter what I fed it, whether it be Federal, Winchester, Remington, or even premium hollowpoints. I traded it in at a loss (I was honest about how it malfunctioned), and stuck to a Glock 30. This XD might be just the ticket for what I wanted out of the Glock 36, but on the other hand, I'll hold off until I hear some field reports on it.

I'm sure that the Glock 36 is a nice gun, but it didn't agree with me, or other experienced shooters.

ksmedman
01-22-2012, 16:56
I have an XD45 tactical (5" barrel). I've weighed it at 44oz loaded with 13 rounds, and a weapon light. Unloaded it's on;y rated art 31oz.
I really like it, but it's big, and heavy, so my G19 is my carry gun. Though I sometimes carry it OWB.
XD's are heavy for poly guns, but I can't imagine where the weight is. A S&W 325 Nightguard only weighs 28oz, and can also carry 6 rounds...
I like XD's, think SA has a good gun there, but I'd save weight carrying a G36 and gain another 5 rounds.

ronin.45
01-22-2012, 17:12
Unless the 29oz was a typo I'm not interested. That's about 50% heavier than a G36 or PM45. Loaded it would be on par with the G30 with twice the rounds. My S&W 325 is only 21oz.

Bilbo Bagins
01-23-2012, 08:01
Unless the 29oz was a typo I'm not interested. That's about 50% heavier than a G36 or PM45. Loaded it would be on par with the G30 with twice the rounds. My S&W 325 is only 21oz.

I know of at least 2 people who contacted Springfield directly and its correct that is the weight unloaded. I can't figure out why its soo heavy.

I just laugh that the Ruger P345 weighs the same, and some small 1911 are an ounce or so lighter. the XDS actually 5 oz heavier then some of Kahr all metal 9mm and 40S&W

The G36 is a hair larger but 9oz lighter and has an extra round

The Kahr CW45 is the same dimensions as the XDS, 10oz lighter and has an extra round.

The Taurus 745 is Smaller than the XDS, its 9 ounces lighter and carries an extra round.

The Kahr PM45 is smaller and 12oz lighter than the XDS. The PM45 is a 5+1 , but you can get 6 and 7 round mags for the PM45

Unless the XDS sells for under $400 The Kahr CW45 and the Taurus will be cheaper. Something tells me it is going to be at the same price point as the G36, and when people start comparing the two, they will notice the G36 is lighter and has an extra round.

Kahr just introduced the CM40, so the next step is a CM45. If that is the case the XDS is sunk.

seanmac45
01-23-2012, 08:29
Has it occurred to anyone that the hefty weight of the XDs is probably intentional to give it the excellent handling/firing characteristics described by thoe who have fired it? I owned a Glock 36 for a short period of time and ditched it because it was totally unreliable. If this pistol proves to be reliable AND easy to handle it is my belief that they will sell like popcorn.


I carry a 5"1911 all day every day and the weight is not an issue. This thing would be a dream by comparison.

bunk22
01-23-2012, 08:46
FWIW, my Glock 36 malfunctioned no matter who shot it (5 different shooters), and no matter what I fed it, whether it be Federal, Winchester, Remington, or even premium hollowpoints. I traded it in at a loss (I was honest about how it malfunctioned), and stuck to a Glock 30. This XD might be just the ticket for what I wanted out of the Glock 36, but on the other hand, I'll hold off until I hear some field reports on it.

I'm sure that the Glock 36 is a nice gun, but it didn't agree with me, or other experienced shooters.

My G36 was the same, experienced malfunctions with all types of rounds and with every shooter who shot it. Might be a nice option to the G36 but the weight for me would be a factor.

Bill Keith
01-23-2012, 17:28
More options, always great for the guys like us. I think I'll stick with my G36 for CCW. Bought it used 5/10/04 and have been carrying it since. Probably 5,000 rounds through it by now. Have replaced the recoil spring twice. Trijicons still OK:wavey:

dosei
01-24-2012, 08:41
Those "extra ounces" can only exist in one place...the slide. That is what helps to make it much more controllable. That also means that a little time on the milling machine by a gunsmith will yield a much lighter gun (with the accompanying more aggressive recoil) for those that favor light-weight carry comfort over shootability.

cowboy1964
01-24-2012, 10:22
My XD 45 Compact weighs 29oz w/mag and it has a 4" barrel as opposed to a 3.3". And I'm sure the XDS is correspondingly shorter too. I don't see why Springfield couldn't have made the XDS slightly lighter. It's a CCW piece, weight is critical.

ronin.45
01-25-2012, 09:42
Those "extra ounces" can only exist in one place...the slide. That is what helps to make it much more controllable. That also means that a little time on the milling machine by a gunsmith will yield a much lighter gun (with the accompanying more aggressive recoil) for those that favor light-weight carry comfort over shootability.

I wouldn't buy a gun that needed machined right off the bat. If I'm going to carry 30+oz I'll have a lot more gun than the XDs.

NG VI
01-25-2012, 19:38
XD small is so heavy?

Looks good, too bad it's so weirdly overweight. Maybe it's not, and their markeing scheme is to throw people off who saw the stats and then try it in real life?

NG VI
01-25-2012, 19:47
XD small is so heavy?

Looks good, too bad it's so weirdly overweight. Maybe it's not, and their markeing scheme is to throw people off who saw the stats and then try it in real life?

BuckyP
01-25-2012, 21:14
The slide obviously must have more weight to it. Other areas where slight weight could be trigger (metal vs plastic), bigger locking block and rails, and the slide lock / take down lever is certainly beefier if it's anything like it's bigger brothers. :dunno:

bunk22
01-27-2012, 11:32
Guys over on XDtalk called SA and they are saying the weight of the gun empty, no mag, is 21 ounces, not 29. They are saying it's a typo...they being SA. With a full magazine, 26oz or so. Heavy but not as heavy.

cowboy1964
01-27-2012, 11:39
Guys over on XDtalk called SA and they are saying the weight of the gun empty, no mag, is 21 ounces, not 29. They are saying it's a typo...they being SA. With a full magazine, 26oz or so. Heavy but not as heavy.

That seems more reasonable. Still like 3.5 oz heavier than a G36 though.

I really need to stop using Glock as a weight reference. Almost impossible to compete with that.

bunk22
01-27-2012, 11:47
That seems more reasonable. Still like 3.5 oz heavier than a G36 though.

I really need to stop using Glock as a weight reference. Almost impossible to compete with that.

One of the reasons why I carry a Glock, really hard to beat the light weight without going to a true sub-compact hand gun. The G19 is what, 21 oz empty? Awesome IMO. A few oz isn't a lot but it can be felt after an entire day, at least for me.

cowboy1964
01-27-2012, 12:01
Yep, a full G19 is only 30 oz. Pretty amazing. That is my reference when comparing weights. I can really feel a difference of 3-4 oz, especially after carrying for awhile.

Ounces per round is an interesting metric. The G19 is about 2. An all-steel 1911 is over 5! Kind of puts things into perspective.

Big A
01-30-2012, 09:20
If SA were to make extended mags, say 10 rounds, for these with their sleve that extends the grip surface I would certainly be more interested in one.

I love my Glocks but they really need to get on the ball here with some new product development. A single stack 9mm/40S&W would sell like crazy. Extended mags for the G36 would also be a good idea. And if they would make a sleve for their mags like SA does that would be awesome too, those A&G ones are total crap...

My buddy has a G36 and he had problems with the recoil spring. The second and third coil would jump over the first one and lock the gun up...kinda turned me off of that model as a carry gun, but I already have enough options for carry pieces anyway...

March817
01-30-2012, 14:03
21.5oz
http://xdspistol.com/specs.php

RowdyatHeart
01-30-2012, 14:27
I tried to like the XD-----bought an XD40---feels great in the hand grip wise. I cannot stand the loaded chamber indicator dingus on top of the breech. It is just one more thing to go wrong and it unnerves me-------what if the thing pops out and hits me in the eye?

I hate the grip safety and the fact it takes "25 pounds" of force to rack the slide or that the grip safety has to be engaged to wrack the slide.

I just want Glock to make small improvements to what they already have. Keep the quality where it needs to be and stay consistent.

I also don't care for the fact the frame only has steel inserts in the middle versus on the ends and middle like Sigs, HK's and Glocks that I know of. The aft end off the slide rides on plastic.

If you love your XD, I am happy and this is no jab at you.