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Tiro Fijo
01-16-2012, 18:26
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/the-center-mass-myth-and-ending-a-gunfight-triggernometry/

pisc1024
01-16-2012, 22:50
True, I carry a .45 but that is because I am lazy and want to shoot less. A good bullet in 9mm in the right place (the spine!) will get the job done. If you hit the heart, 3 or 4 expanded 9mms will do about what a .45 expanding bullet will do or one might equal .45 ball….IF (note the big if) it penetrates. That is not based on any formula, it is based on what I have found to happen – sometimes real life does not make sense.

Is this guy serious?

Zombie Steve
01-17-2012, 00:31
The head is hard to penetrate?

Tiro Fijo
01-17-2012, 02:30
Is this guy serious?


Yes. Notice that he has let his personal bias interfere with objective & deductive reasoning. Probably has more to do with his age and the shooting enviornment he was trained in.

It's a great article, albeit you need to take with a grain of salt his proselytizing in a few places. :whistling:

id1otbox
01-17-2012, 03:00
I forgot where I read it but don't you have a 1 in 6 or 1 in 7 percent chance of dying from a gun wound. Much less then what most people would assume.

RichardB
01-17-2012, 08:52
Possibly his experience and that of other LEOS does not coincide exactly with we were told to expect from ammo which "passed" the gelatin test protocols?

Good post.

cowboy1964
01-17-2012, 12:34
What a maroon.

beforeobamabans
01-17-2012, 12:56
2-3 .45 = 4-6 .40 = 5-8 9mm?

Rumbler_G20
01-17-2012, 13:24
I'm kind of surprised that so many folks here are missing the point. Kinda scares me a little. :crying:


Obviously the huge vast majority of people - including people here - have never actually been in a gunfight. And those few that have, and I know for sure a few here have, often are more than a little hesitant to talk about it.


But if you could talk to them 'heart to heart' about their experiences they would tell you that unless you use a caliber weapon sufficient to vaporize a torso leaving the limbs unattached to it, "center of mass" hits absolutely ARE NOT a guaranteed threat ender.

You folks that figure practicing center of mass shots at 7-yards is appropriate training; read that again. Please.

You need to be able to place shots finitely out to the effective range limit of your weapon.

Why? Simple. Aim small, miss small. You better be shooting for a CNS hit if you want to stop the threat and that is an awful small area on a moving partially obscured target wearing body armor. If you can make a 50 yard three inch group consistently, a ten yard 2" group *might* be possible under severe stress.


Please, don't overlook the trees because of the forest.:wavey:

Zombie Steve
01-17-2012, 13:50
I can't speak for the others, but I got the point. It's why we say in here all the time "keep shooting until the threat is stopped". It's just hard to get past a few of the silly things he says.

wanderinwalker
01-17-2012, 15:49
Interesting read. I understood the author to be making the points:

1) Anything worth shooting is worth shooting multiples times. Not just twice.

2) More ammo is merrier.

3) Bigger bullets are merrier but not a be-all end-all.

4) Keep shooting and don't give up the fight until the fight is over.

jeffreybehr
01-17-2012, 18:19
I forgot where I read it but don't you have a 1 in 6 or 1 in 7 percent chance of dying from a gun wound.

...uhh...is that a 1-in-6 or 1-in-7 chance of dying from a GS wound, or a 6-percent or 7-percent chance of dying from a GS wound?

WiskyT
01-17-2012, 19:12
The head is hard to penetrate?

Sure, and 19 heart shots typically fail to stop threats.

Zombie Steve
01-17-2012, 19:21
The Grinch's heart is two sizes too small.

PghJim
01-17-2012, 22:17
I will say that he is good. And to think I complain about carrying one Glock. He carries two full size 1911's.

id1otbox
01-18-2012, 00:24
...uhh...is that a 1-in-6 or 1-in-7 chance of dying from a GS wound, or a 6-percent or 7-percent chance of dying from a GS wound?

Around 15% percent chance I think.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5002a1.htm

That study says about 30% but that includes suicides. If you take suicides into account your around 15%.