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conpro
01-17-2012, 21:16
Cant decide on which one to carry. 9mm

pisc1024
01-17-2012, 21:23
Gold Dot

Glockwork Orange
01-17-2012, 21:24
Win Ranger

KS Trekker
01-17-2012, 21:27
Gold Dot

+1 for Gold Dot. 124gr +P in my G26.

PghJim
01-17-2012, 21:40
You did not mention which Ranger you were considering. If it is the 124+p T Series, I would say either one. I always go with +p+ in a short barrel.

unit1069
01-17-2012, 22:27
Gold Dot

Andy W
01-18-2012, 00:25
Get whichever one you find the best deal on. I bet the bad guys won't be able to tell the difference. Some people might say to use whichever one groups best in your gun but, in reality, does it really make that much of a difference if one groups 1/2" tigher at 25 yards when you've got a mugger pulling a knife on you 5 years away?

hotpig
01-18-2012, 00:34
Flip a coin, both are solid performers.

Ethereal Killer
01-18-2012, 00:36
whichever one works the best in your pistol. try them both.

both are great rounds and there is just no real significant difference in flesh. the gold dot is bonded tho.

backcast88
01-18-2012, 01:52
Of the choices listed, Gold Dot.

Above either one, Federal HST.

JBP55
01-18-2012, 05:59
Gold Dot, HST , Ranger T in 124+P are three excellent choices. You can not go wrong with any of these. Make sure your round of choice works in YOUR pistol.

jhon
01-18-2012, 07:39
My 1st choice would be Gold dot 124 +P or reg 124 ( not much difference between the two as for power, but I would defiantly use the 124 +p for short barrel ), 2nd choice Ranger T's 127 +P+, then Federal 124.

Sujjestion would be to by a box of each of the ones that you want to try or are considering. Yes it may be a little expensive since generally you only get 20 rds per box. But after shooting 5-10 rds per box, you should have a good feel on how they shoot, how the recoil is and most of all how it feels to you.

Then go from there...:)

10-S
01-18-2012, 08:19
Gold Dot 115g +p+ in a G17, G26 & PM9.

cowboy1964
01-18-2012, 11:31
I've seen some questionable results with Rangers so still prefer Gold Dots. I do have a couple of boxes of Ranger 127+P+ though.

Winchester Ranger T-Series 9mm +P+ 127 gr JHP AMMO TEST - YouTube

Interestingly though, even though that bullet failed to expand it still did a pretty decent job and didn't overpenetrate like an FMJ would.

Glolt20-91
01-18-2012, 15:23
Cant decide on which one to carry. 9mm

Wait for the 10mm and 357SIG suggestions. :crying:

Andy W
01-18-2012, 15:37
I've seen some questionable results with Rangers so still prefer Gold Dots. I do have a couple of boxes of Ranger 127+P+ though.

Winchester Ranger T-Series 9mm +P+ 127 gr JHP AMMO TEST - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSY018CXRi8)

Interestingly though, even though that bullet failed to expand it still did a pretty decent job and didn't overpenetrate like an FMJ would.

I did an amatuer ballistic test with the Winchester T-Series 127 gr +p+ the other day firing, several of these into water jugs. Due to the way I set the test up, I was only able to recover a couple of the rounds and both failed to fully expand. I think one or 2 petals opened up but the rest failed. I do not know what the other bullets did because I was not able to recover them but I was not happy with the results. But if you ask Massad Ayob or other firearms experts, this round seems to be doing extremely well on the street as is the Gold Dot. However, I have never seen a 9mm Gold Dot fail to expand in any test, amateur or professional. It may not open up and be as nasty looking as a T-Series bullet or an HST, but they do expand.

hotpig
01-18-2012, 16:28
I have been to many demo tests over the years. So many that It is not even remotely interesting to attend anymore.

Every brand has one thing in common. They all fail to expand some times. I sell all of the major LE rounds. None of them come with a 100% guarantee.

Both rounds addressed in this thread are well proven in actual flesh and blood shootings. Although neither one would be my first pick. You simply are not going to find any 9mm ammo that is much better than they are. You can however find many rounds that are worse.

Ethereal Killer
01-18-2012, 18:39
I have been to many demo tests over the years. So many that It is not even remotely interesting to attend anymore.

Every brand has one thing in common. They all fail to expand some times.


A good reminder for us all to remember as we place our shots! :)

up1911fan
01-18-2012, 18:59
I have a good stash of Win Ranger 127+p+ and Speer GD 124gr +p. It come's down to the gun and which load it shoots better with (accuracy and POA/POI).

hotpig
01-18-2012, 19:59
Always keep in mind. A hollow point is a two edged sword. The design under perfect conditions could allow robust expansion and deep penetration. The other side of the sword is it has a built in flaw. A hole in the bullet nose that can become clogged and not allow any or all expansion.

I always say shot placement is key, expansion is a bonus.

barth
01-18-2012, 22:51
Always keep in mind. A hollow point is a two edged sword. The design under perfect conditions could allow robust expansion and deep penetration. The other side of the sword is it has a built in flaw. A hole in the bullet nose that can become clogged and not allow any or all expansion.

I always say shot placement is key, expansion is a bonus.

45. 230 gr Ranger T.
Expands? Great
Doesn't expand? still going to leave a .45" mark - LOL
http://cdn4.ammoforsale.com/media/catalog/product/cache/7/image/300x/48dc3d6bbebe650594cfcba87fce20f3/4/5/45acp230jhpwinrangert-50-2_1.jpg

Glolt20-91
01-19-2012, 00:29
I have been to many demo tests over the years. So many that It is not even remotely interesting to attend anymore.

Every brand has one thing in common. They all fail to expand some times. I sell all of the major LE rounds. None of them come with a 100% guarantee.

Both rounds addressed in this thread are well proven in actual flesh and blood shootings. Although neither one would be my first pick. You simply are not going to find any 9mm ammo that is much better than they are. You can however find many rounds that are worse.

What kind of feedback are you getting with the shallow cavity Gold Dots in 357SIG and magnum?

Warp
01-19-2012, 00:38
Cant decide on which one to carry. 9mm

Gold Dot. Hands down.

I've had several quality control problems with Ranger, and Winchester didn't even feel they were significant enough (I gave pictures and lot numbers and everything) to get back to me.

James Dean
01-19-2012, 08:41
Speer Gold Dot. Many great videos on YouTube. 124gr or 124gr+P.

GoBigOrange
01-19-2012, 09:13
I carry Gold Dot in 9mm but both have a great reputation.

I carry Ranger T series in .40S&W only because I good 100 for a great price.

hotpig
01-20-2012, 08:54
What kind of feedback are you getting with the shallow cavity Gold Dots in 357SIG and magnum?Hardly anything back on actual shootings.

DonGlock26
01-22-2012, 17:14
http://www.brassfetcher.com/124gr%20+P%20Speer%20Gold%20Dot.html

Cartridge : 9x19mm Luger Speer 124gr +P Gold Dot JHP

Firearm : Glock 26 (3.5" barrel length)

Block Calibration : All depths corrected (From 11.0cm @ 596 ft/sec)

Shot 1 - Impacted at 1201 ft/sec, penetrated to 11.2" and was recovered at 0.679" average diameter.

Shot 2 - Impacted at 1218 ft/sec, penetrated to 11.2" and was recovered at 0.691" average diameter.

Shot 3 - Impacted at 1216 ft/sec, penetrated to 10.3" and was recovered at 0.704" average diameter.

Shot 4 - Impacted at 1222 ft/sec, penetrated to 10.6" and was recovered at 0.682" average diameter.

Shot 5 - Impacted at 1208 ft/sec, penetrated to 9.9" and was recovered at 0.711" average diameter.

BroknPrism
01-22-2012, 23:08
Federal HST. I've seen some pics of collapsed Rangers lately.

tsmo1066
01-23-2012, 11:45
http://www.brassfetcher.com/124gr%20+P%20Speer%20Gold%20Dot.html

Cartridge : 9x19mm Luger Speer 124gr +P Gold Dot JHP

Firearm : Glock 26 (3.5" barrel length)

Block Calibration : All depths corrected (From 11.0cm @ 596 ft/sec)

Shot 1 - Impacted at 1201 ft/sec, penetrated to 11.2" and was recovered at 0.679" average diameter.

Shot 2 - Impacted at 1218 ft/sec, penetrated to 11.2" and was recovered at 0.691" average diameter.

Shot 3 - Impacted at 1216 ft/sec, penetrated to 10.3" and was recovered at 0.704" average diameter.

Shot 4 - Impacted at 1222 ft/sec, penetrated to 10.6" and was recovered at 0.682" average diameter.

Shot 5 - Impacted at 1208 ft/sec, penetrated to 9.9" and was recovered at 0.711" average diameter.

Thanks for the good info. I tend to prefer the 4 layer denim results, however, as naked opponents are something of a rarity. In cloth/denim covered gelatin, Brassfetcher shows that the Gold Dot 124+P tends to penetrate right at 14-15 inches while expanding to about 1.5X.

That's pretty much optimal as far as I'm concerned.

aGlock4me
01-23-2012, 13:06
Gold Dot 124 +P

Ranger45
01-23-2012, 14:01
Either one....or both....or Federal HST. User's preference.

unit1069
01-23-2012, 18:45
ATK's web site comparing their own factory ammos gives the 124-grain HST +P penetration at 14" and expansion at .60".

The standard pressure 124-grain HST penetration is listed at 13.5" and expansion .66".

What's a guy/gal supposed to do when choosing between the two? My own thoughts are I have to decide the most likely scenarios I'll normally be facing and go from there.

Then again, with bonded bullets like Gold Dot (not HST) the advantage of barrier penetration while slightly giving up expansion comes into the calculation. ATK's same comparisons show Gold Dots achieve credible lab results that dovetail nicely with their street cred reputation.

Premium JHP self-defense ammos are cutting it so close these days that as long as one sticks to a quality factory round he/she has a lot of the bases covered.

AWESOMO 4000
01-25-2012, 01:09
Either one. Both. You've got 15 of them on hand...one of them should work.