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skippz
01-17-2012, 22:52
Love the thing, now when I'm walking around the woods, the house, or in the truck, I'm not thinking "Are these 15 rnds of 9mm (or 8 rnds of 45) gonna cut it?" Now I actually feel like I have a gun lol. I will admit I read up on it and realized its potential as a hobby gun, reloading and the myriad of caliber possibilities you have with it.
I recently ordered some ammo from georgia arms and doubletap... The one thing I am worried about is shooting hardcast bullets thru the factory glock barrel (this is based solely on reading threads and posts saying you shouldn't). I've then also read that switching the barrel on the 20 can make for tighter tolerances which may affect the famous glock reliability. So I come to you experts who have experience with this for advice. The exact ammo I got is Doubletap 200gr wfngc hardcast. Not even sure why I ordered this particular round but wanted to try a variety and this one came to me.

On another note I was wondering what ppl are doing to mod their 20's... I got the SF model but was thinking of getting a grip reduction done (who does a good job?) and def. gonna add some different sites (been lookin at XS sights but what do you guys use?)
I wanna thank anyone in advance who reads this novel and actually replies to it, I will probably be annoying a lot of you guys on here at the 10 ring lol.
-Skippz

arushus
01-18-2012, 00:51
Congrats!

Shooting hardcast through a stock barrel can be done, most people recommend checking for fouling and cleaning the barrel every fifty rounds or so...

Just so you know, doubletap lies about their velocities, hardly anyone here will buy from them. It is well-documented by people with chronographs. underwoodammo.com produces a full power 10mm round that meets and exceeds published velocities, and for the price, they are a much better choice!

I personally use xs big dots on my 20sf, and really like them. They can be very accurate at longer ranges contrary to popular belief. Heinie straight eights, or ameriglo I-dot pros are a couple of other great choices, IMO.

dsb1829
01-18-2012, 10:33
Lead has very mixed results. Some people swear up and down it works just the same in their gun. Others believe their gun will blow up if they eventouch off a lead round in it. Hickok45 (on youtube) set off some heavy hard cast ammo in his stocj barrel and also in a lone wolf barrel. Both worked,but the difference in accuracy is shocking (his stock barrel did not like the lead).

Personally, I am on the fence. I have 500 175f TCBB lead bullets on the work bench. Just haven,t worked up the nerve to give them a go yet.

Taterhead
01-18-2012, 11:06
Hardcast lead like the WFNGC hardcast form Beartooth or Double Tap ; or the offering from Buffalo Bore loads are fine in the stock G20. There is some concern about whether th 230 gr Double Tap load will stabilize in a factory barrel, but the 200s run great in my stock G20 barrel.

Cast lead or softer alloy is more iffy. You will get a lot more disagreement about those. I pesonally do not run cast lead in my G20. I do run 200 gr WFNGC hardcast bullets with good results though. Great penetrator. It is my go-to wilderness handload. Leading has not been an issue, but I do not shoot more than a few dozen before cleaning the barrel - just to be sure.

Both Buffalo Bore and Double Tap list G20s as their test firearms for the hardcast loads. If wanting to save cash on range ammo, a good compromise is copper plated bullets. This assumes that you will be reloading at some point.

OregonG20
01-18-2012, 12:06
On another note I was wondering what ppl are doing to mod their 20's... I got the SF model but was thinking of getting a grip reduction done (who does a good job?) and def. gonna add some different sites (been lookin at XS sights but what do you guys use?)
I wanna thank anyone in advance who reads this novel and actually replies to it, I will probably be annoying a lot of you guys on here at the 10 ring lol.
-Skippz

I use Aro-Tek sights. If you want a 3 dot sight system with a Novak style rear sight, these are a great. You install them your self, and they include a front sight tool with the price, which is a great price. They use Trijicon lamps as well, so you know it's quality. I have been extremely pleased. They have a great selection of different sights as well. They have two set screws for the rear sight, as opposed to just one, and I haven't had them move.

I wanted a Novak style rear, but didn't want to pay some gunsmith a ton of money to install them. At least here in my hometown, I couldn't find anystore that would sell me an all steel Novak rear and install it for free.

Check 'em out. http://www.arotek.com/documents/arotek-ebrochure.pdf

_The_Shadow
01-18-2012, 15:57
Skippz, Congrats! Nothing says peace of mind, like the 10 bieng your friend!

nickE10mm
01-19-2012, 10:46
Hardcast lead like the WFNGC hardcast form Beartooth or Double Tap ; or the offering from Buffalo Bore loads are fine in the stock G20. There is some concern about whether the 230 gr Double Tap load will stabilize in a factory barrel, but the 200s run great in my stock G20 barrel.

Cast lead or softer alloy is more iffy. You will get a lot more disagreement about those. I personally do not run cast lead in my [stock barreled] G20. I do run 200 gr WFNGC hardcast bullets with good results though. Great penetrator. It is my go-to wilderness handload. Leading has not been an issue, but I do not shoot more than a few dozen before cleaning the barrel - just to be sure.

Both Buffalo Bore and Double Tap list G20s as their test firearms for the hardcast loads. If wanting to save cash on range ammo, a good compromise is copper plated bullets. This assumes that you will be reloading at some point.



Exactly this in highlighted bold text. There is a substantial difference between HARDCAST (BHN 18+) and CAST LEAD (8-15 BHN). The WFNGC's are about 21-22 BHN I think.

BTW, welcome to the forum, skippz!

Jay/g20
01-22-2012, 11:47
All I can say is Thanks.
I was an avid archery guy,just love the sport, target, hunting ,just all around archery.I've attended many competitions and I had a very deep passion for the thrill of it all.
I've done the shotgun thing , I've done the riffle thing,muzzle loader thing, and then one day on the internet.....GlockTalk.com catches my eye.......no turning back now!
Ordered a Kimber Eclipse Custom2 /10mm, got tired of waiting for it and went and checked out a G20.....yup you guessed it.... bought it. G20 3rd Gen, along with the
Glock a must have ....KKM 10mm 6" drop-in, Tungsten Guide Rod 17lbs.spring and now I have a new passion and it is consuming all my spare time. P.S. 10 months to get my Kimber
I did 6 months of reading before settling on 10mm .......I made a very good choice!!!!
Thanks to all the contributor's on GlockTalk I was able to make a informed decision. I just love the information and feel that help is near if I ever need info.
My wife thinks there should be an intervention to help me with my new addiction and she just HATES you all ....Every Single one of you !
She shrugs her shoulders when she catches me in a darkened room check'n out the 10mm porn.
I may need someone to cover my 6 ......Got my Back ...I'll dang sure cover yours!
Any way ...this is a great place! Nice work!

nickE10mm
01-22-2012, 11:51
All I can say is Thanks.
I was an avid archery guy,just love the sport, target, hunting ,just all around archery.I've attended many competitions and I had a very deep passion for the thrill of it all.
I've done the shotgun thing , I've done the riffle thing,muzzle loader thing, and then one day on the internet.....GlockTalk.com catches my eye.......no turning back now!
Ordered a Kimber Eclipse Custom2 /10mm, got tired of waiting for it and went and checked out a G20.....yup you guessed it.... bought it. G20 3rd Gen, along with the
Glock a must have ....KKM 10mm 6" drop-in, Tungsten Guide Rod 17lbs.spring and now I have a new passion and it is consuming all my spare time. P.S. 10 months to get my Kimber
I did 6 months of reading before settling on 10mm .......I made a very good choice!!!!
Thanks to all the contributor's on GlockTalk I was able to make a informed decision. I just love the information and feel that help is near if I ever need info.
My wife thinks there should be an intervention to help me with my new addiction and she just HATES you all ....Every Single one of you !
She shrugs her shoulders when she catches me in a darkened room check'n out the 10mm porn.
I may need someone to cover my 6 ......Got my Back ...I'll dang sure cover yours!
Any way ...this is a great place! Nice work!

Here's the most awesome part. If you were big into bowhunting and archery, there is another 10mm perk. Check out my "OFFICIAL 10MM HUNTING THREAD" in the sticky at the top of this forum. Hunting with a 10mm (or any handgun) requires you to get closer to deer than if you were using a rifle. I personally try to "think like a bowhunter" when I hunt with my 10's. That guideline has let me take three different deer with my 10mm's. I suggest you try it! NOTHING like harvesting a deer with a 10.

Jay/g20
01-22-2012, 12:06
nickE10mm, I thought just to spice up my skills I was going out with just 2 rocks and a buck knife and stalk up my prey......then the 10 came into play....I'm drooling ....next season!

nickE10mm
01-22-2012, 12:57
nickE10mm, I thought just to spice up my skills I was going out with just 2 rocks and a buck knife and stalk up my prey......then the 10 came into play....I'm drooling ....next season!

I like your style

bac1023
01-28-2012, 12:43
Congrats on the G20.

JimIsland
01-29-2012, 19:23
Welcome aboard. I have the XS Big Dots on my G20 as well. Several weeks ago I was at my buddies farm and was able to put 10 for 10 at 25yds cantelope size. I'm no great shot but that will get it done!! Let us know what you end up with.

armbender
01-29-2012, 20:46
could anybody tell me who makes a good 6" hunting barrel for the g20 and does it make a big difference accuracy wise? thanks

Jay/g20
01-31-2012, 02:01
could anybody tell me who makes a good 6" hunting barrel for the g20 and does it make a big difference accuracy wise? thanks

armbender, you came to the right place !
Just relax in your chair lay back and start digging through all the info that GlockTalk has to offer .......tons.....& TONS of info.
I read and called companies and asked them questions and got everything gathered up and made a decision.
kkmprecision.com is where I landed. I called & talked to them and made a purchase.
6" drop-in 10mm . I felt very comfortable with the company and I feel they went out of there way to help. I can't say enough good about the way they represent, precision isn't just a word .....its a fact , these boys have a very happy customer here.

I'm breaking in the barrel now and not one single problem. Right out of the box I was very impressed. I've only got approx. 100 rounds through it, from 10 yrds. to 120 yrds. and there is a noticeable difference in the way the G20 reacts to recoil & shot placement with this barrel. I'm just loving it!
You have a bunch of reading, asking questions , and most importantly call the companies and get a feel for the product they offer.
Good-Luck, its tough to make a decision.... its not that bad though , all you have to do is please yourself.

id1otbox
01-31-2012, 02:11
Skippz, Congrats! Nothing says peace of mind, like the 10 bieng your friend!

That's some sig line material! ... well at least in my head it rhymes

stevenm2
01-31-2012, 04:40
Congrats on the G20 I got mine almost a month ago. I bought mine for back-up when hunting. I have set up the dillon 550 and have reloaded several hundred rounds of 180 gr. Noslers. They shoot great. 20lb wolff recoil spring sure makes a difference I also went for the stainless recoil rod.
I went with a Hi-Viz fiber optic front sight works great.
I have ended up carrying this gun more than I thought i would.

Jay/g20
01-31-2012, 12:58
Welcome aboard. I have the XS Big Dots on my G20 as well. Several weeks ago I was at my buddies farm and was able to put 10 for 10 at 25yds cantelope size. I'm no great shot but that will get it done!! Let us know what you end up with.

JimIsland,<<< 1 gun 1 shot & dun ! You don't need any clips .....send me your clips I need the practice all you have to do is cram 1 round and put your target down.....ya showoff !! ...Ya just had to go and put 9 more in the target>>>>overKill....I'm joking man , Nice shoot'n!
But seriously, send me your clips...ya don't need them!

PrecisionRifleman
01-31-2012, 13:10
I prefer the 180gr Xtp handloaded warm in a extended LW 6.02" barrel for hunting. The XTP holds together passing through deer even when hitting spine. This was my experience in using mine in the field for the first time this past season. Some like the 200gr bullets but I don't see an advantage as I beileve the extra speed of the 180 does more damage. If a 18p pushed @ 1300fps will push right through a doe, and stay in together after punching out 3-4" of spine I'm sticking with it. To each their own. For defensive carry I use factory so I go with the Winchester 175gr silvertips for that purpose.

BTW if you haven't already.take some shots out to 100 yards. With my extended LW barrel I actually hit about 5 inches high using fixed sights, and accuracy is impressive for a pistol even at this range. I would however recommned keep shots to no more than 50 yards on game for ethical reasons but what you do is up to you of course. Congrats on your new 10mm. Mine quickly overtook my 45 in the favorite role. I think the more people try them the more it will be.realized just how awesome of a cartishe it is.


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