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Glock 1
01-19-2012, 14:20
I like Semi-auto better than revolvers. I always have. Nothing against the wheel guns of course. However, sometimes I feel the need to shoot a wheelgun. I have a small Taurus snubby 38 now but it was inherited and it’s a little small for my hands. I also have a couple hundred rounds of 38 special .

I want to buy a revolver that is fun to shoot so I was thinking a big old 357 magnum since it can shoot the 38 ammo I have too. Nothing to conceal so I am thinking big and shiny. I will only take it to the range. It will probably be the only one I get so I want a decent one without breaking the bank.

My original thought was a 44 or 500SW but 38 and 357 is considerably cheaper and in a SHTF scenario will likely be readily available. As much fun as the 500 would be I am inclined to stick with something that would be useful. Opinions? What would you buy?

SPECOPS72
01-19-2012, 14:22
Ruger GP100

redcat11
01-19-2012, 14:33
First of all I also love semi auto's and I have many, but I ended up having many "wheel guns" as well after I shot my first one a while back, and they are of course fun to shoot. My S&W 500 is fun to shoot, but rather pricey so you may not want the 500, rounds get expensive. But at the range people look with interest especially after they hear the report. I also shoot the Rossi 46202 and I have it in black but it comes in stainless steel as well. I originaly got it for plinking but after a few hundred rounds of .357 mag. it's still working like a swiss clock. Rossi is owned by Taurus so it also comes with a lifetime warranty for the original owner, but so far it has not given me any troubles. I purchased it for around 300 but I have no complaints. It maybe cheap but it's pretty reliable, I would have no problem in using it for a CCW.

Bill Keith
01-19-2012, 14:38
Smith and Wesson pre-lock model 66 - stainless K frame 357. L frame model 686 -stainless. Model 19 is blued K frame 357. Model 65 - stainless fixed sight K frame. One of my favorites is the model 10 Military and Police in 38 special ( the stainless model is a model 64).
The Ruger GP100 is a great gun, I have one of those as well as a blued Service Six ( 357 with fixed sights). The ruger just doesn't have as good a trigger as the S&W.
Prolly the safest bet is to get these in 4" barrels, they handle well!
Unfortunately, I'd recommend you stay away from Colt's. There just aren't enough 'smiths who work on them anymore.:faint:

86brick
01-19-2012, 14:54
S&W L-frame 686.

TN.Frank
01-19-2012, 14:55
I've always liked revolvers up and until people started asking more for a used revolver then I could buy a new, modern semi-auto for. It's all about cost effectiveness for me. I paid $400 for my current PX4 Storm in 40cal. It's 14+1 shots and the 40S&W is just as effective as a 357Mag. As far as revolvers go, if/when I can find a decent 357Mag(S&W or Ruger) for around $300 I'll get back into one, until then if I'm going to spend $400-$450 on a handgun it'll be a new semi-auto, why handicap myself with only 6 round when for less money I can get twice as many rounds in a good semi.

Islander1
01-19-2012, 15:20
There's a lot of Smith & Wesson M10's out there that are police trade ins and can be had for under $300. Check Bud's. You can also find SS 64's fairly cheap check J&G. I have far more revolvers then auto's. They are fun to shoot.

diamondd2
01-19-2012, 16:30
S&W L-frame 686.


+1 on the S&W 686 - Plus (7 shot) 4". One heck of a fun gun to shoot. 38 sp feels like 22lr out of it. Big and shiny too!

http://i42.tinypic.com/2v9t5iq.jpg

Here it is next to my "little G21"

http://i41.tinypic.com/23tqb1z.jpg

TN.Frank
01-19-2012, 16:31
Oh, and as far as revolvers go, a good S&W L-Frame or a Ruger GP-100 would pretty much get the job done and hold up to a lot of 357Mag ammo. K-Frame not so much but they are a bit lighter and will hold up to all the 38spl +P you'd care to shoot in one. The N-Frame S&W's are built like a tank for 357Mag and you can even get em' in an 8 shot model now days.

Nestor
01-19-2012, 16:33
If .357 is what You are after I would go with the older model 28.
Probably 4 inch which is more handy in general, but 6 incher can deliver even more fun at the range still not being too clunky.

TN.Frank
01-19-2012, 16:52
If .357 is what You are after I would go with the older model 28.
Probably 4 inch which is more handy in general, but 6 incher can deliver even more fun at the range still not being too clunky.

A local guy has a 6" bbl. one up for sale but he's asking $450 which I think is a bit much since he says it's had a lot of rounds thru it. They are built like dang tanks and will hold up to all the 357Mag that you'd care to put thru one. I really like the "aggressive" look of the 4" M28.

pennlineman
01-19-2012, 17:13
If I could only own one .357 it would be either a 586 or 686 with a 4" barrel. I love the K frames, models 19 and 66 are classic's. I especially like the fixed sighted models 13 and 65. The N frames are classics too, if considering a model 28 don't forget about the 27.

Rugers are good too, I just prefer the action of the S&W's. I actually like the older security/speed/service six's over the newer GP100.

Glock 1
01-19-2012, 17:53
Lots of good info. I appreciate it. I am a dealer now so I will be buying from a distributor so as far as price goes I am ok on that part. Not made of gold mind you but I am buying a few toys. Its been almost 3 months since I bought my last one so I am playing catch up. :)

I have been eyeballing a 686 and the GP-100 in stainless. I love the Colt King Cobra/ Anaconda but the price is just too much for a gun that is going to be a safe queen most of the time but the sure are sexy. :)

I used to shoot my ex-father in laws blued Colt Trooper with I think a 6-8 inch barrel. He loaded some extremely hot loads. Man, that was a fun gun. Miss him and his guns, not his daughter.

Ok, so what about a Taurus Raging Bull? or Tracker? Any complaints?

So far the Rossi, Ruger GP-100, and the 586/686 stand out as ones I have been eyeballing. 4" barrel sounds perfect too. Stainless or polished I think.

Six4Sure
01-19-2012, 17:55
Smith and Wesson L-frame 586/686. K-frame size, with N-frame strength. 4 inch barrels are about the best all around length. They come in two varieties, square butt and round. The older ones come with a square butt; mine is a square, I like it because it makes me keep my hand higher on the backstrap. The nice thing about round, if you don't like it, you can get stocks to give it the square but form.

Another suggestion would be a 625 N-frame; it shoots 45 acp, so since you are an auto shooter, you probably have a 45. It is a bit more expensive than a 686 but may be an option

Bruce M
01-19-2012, 17:58
Since no budget is mentioned I will start with what I would get if I had unlimited funds. A Registered Magnum which became a Smith Model 27 later. Or maybe a Colt Python. But I would also be very happy with a Model 28, maybe one that had alot of finish wear and then I might get it refinished in nickel if I really wanted the shiny part. If I wanted something a bit more unusual maybe a Model 27 in nickel with a five inch barrel or maybe even a Model 520.

Bruce M
01-19-2012, 18:03
...
Ok, so what about a Taurus Raging Bull? or Tracker? Any complaints?

...

There are alot of people here who have said they have had great success with Taurus revolvers. On the other hand there seem to be more people who have said they have issues with a Taurus than some other brands. And there was a dealer or employee here who claimed that most of the guns his shop had to send back were from Taurus.

MtnBiker
01-19-2012, 18:07
I had a S&W 686 (6 inch barrel in blue) that I loved to shoot. I sold it to my Dad so I'd have some cash for a G30. Now I get to shoot them both.

:wavey: :wavey:

Get one and you won't regret it.

Glock 1
01-19-2012, 18:08
Weigh in on these if you have one. This is my list so far that I have been wittling down over the past couple of days.

ROSSI / BRAZTECH R972 6" POLISHED STAINLESS 357MAG 6RD

S&W 686-6 PLUS 4" 357 STAINLESS 7 SHOT

DAN WESSON 715 .357 MAG 6" STAINLESS 6 SHOT

All of these have a blued option which I might entertain if the price difference is enough of an incentive.

Glock 1
01-19-2012, 18:20
There are alot of people here who have said they have had great success with Taurus revolvers. On the other hand there seem to be more people who have said they have issues with a Taurus than some other brands. And there was a dealer or employee here who claimed that most of the guns his shop had to send back were from Taurus.

This is what I was hoping not to hear about them. I used to have a PT-945 and sent it back twice. That is enough to rule them out. So, no Taurus.

Glock 1
01-19-2012, 18:23
I am leaning more towards the Gp-100 and the 686. I like both of them.

barth
01-19-2012, 18:27
Guess I'd go with a S&W 686???

Although I LOVE my S&W 640-1
https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/photos/photo11/63/9f/01a5e7834de1__1322951252000.jpg

But when It comes to Big and Shinny, there's really only one (S&W 629)
https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/photos/photo05/ad/6a/48882277cde6__1313264906000.jpg
https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/photos/photo22/8a/31/a9c643751343__1323801967000.jpg
https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/photos/photo37/fe/e1/a56f8cc85374__1323801520000.jpg

Bruce M
01-19-2012, 18:31
This is what I was hoping not to hear about them. I used to have a PT-945 and sent it back twice. That is enough to rule them out. So, no Taurus.


There is a guy on here who has a Korth, so it's not like he does not recognize quality revolvers and I seem to think he has said he has had good results from Taurus revolver(s.) But I hate to put words in his mouth; hopefully Bac will chime in. And I hate to prejudice anyone against a brand that alot of people have apparently had good luck with. On the other hand my belief is that the real answer lies in collective statistical results of hundreds of users rather than individual examples.

true believer
01-19-2012, 18:32
Lots of good info. I appreciate it. I am a dealer now so I will be buying from a distributor so as far as price goes I am ok on that part. Not made of gold mind you but I am buying a few toys. Its been almost 3 months since I bought my last one so I am playing catch up. :)

I have been eyeballing a 686 and the GP-100 in stainless. I love the Colt King Cobra/ Anaconda but the price is just too much for a gun that is going to be a safe queen most of the time but the sure are sexy. :)

I used to shoot my ex-father in laws blued Colt Trooper with I think a 6-8 inch barrel. He loaded some extremely hot loads. Man, that was a fun gun. Miss him and his guns, not his daughter.

Ok, so what about a Taurus Raging Bull? or Tracker? Any complaints?

So far the Rossi, Ruger GP-100, and the 586/686 stand out as ones I have been eyeballing. 4" barrel sounds perfect too. Stainless or polished I think.


if your a dealer why would you even include a taurus? imo, good s/w, colt or ruger..
imo..no taurus..:shocked:

bulletandgrunt
01-19-2012, 18:34
I feel you. I've got an itch for a big wheel gun. I inherited my dad's Taurus .357 snubby. Great gun shoots like a champ. I worked a trade with a guy in my guard unit. He has a Ruger Super Redhawk 6" barrel I believe he said in 44Mag that he doesn't use. I have a Handi Rifle in .444 Marlin with a Nikon scope unfired that I'm going to trade him. We are doing the trade on the 11th. I can't wait.....

bac1023
01-19-2012, 18:38
Get a S&W 686. :cool:

Islander1
01-19-2012, 19:27
I'm a big S&W fan, I own several. If I'm buying new today, I'm buying a Ruger.

Berto
01-19-2012, 19:36
IMO the L frame 686 + is a perfect range gun. Makes a damn good defensive weapon, too.

HexHead
01-19-2012, 19:47
Get a Colt. Worst case scenario, the factory still works on them. I've got a local smith that's good with Colts, got my Mustang running 100% and tweaked my Python's timing. But I wouldn't hesitate to send it "home" if I needed to.

Bruce M
01-19-2012, 20:01
Get a S&W 686. :cool:


:bowdown:

Myke_Hart
01-19-2012, 20:17
Revolvers are just WAY more SEXY than semi autos.

Nothing brings the chicks like the revolvers.

Smith's have the best single action trigger.
Rugers have the most heft, but ugly.
Colt has the best double action trigger.


I agree with the Smith 686 for your first.

Smith 686 6" .357 mag
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/Handguns/SW6865.jpg

If you have money...

Colt Python 6" .357
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/Handguns/IMG_3973a.jpg


Then you can move up to a 44 mag.
Smith model 29 8" .44 mag
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/Handguns/IMG_6731.jpg

Colt Anaconda 8" .44 mag
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/Handguns/IMG_5186.jpg

Then the power hogs... ONLY FOR RECOIL JUNKIES... Like me!
Fun guns!

Taurus Raging Bull .454 casull
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/Handguns/IMG_4658.jpg

Smith 500 mag 4"
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/Handguns/IMG_7068.jpg

Myke_Hart
01-19-2012, 20:24
Another good starter Revo is the Gp100 or the Security six.

Ruger Security Six .357
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/Handguns/IMG_5751.jpg

Can't find my gp100 glamour shot. Oh well heres a floor pic.

Ruger gp100
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/MISC/DSC09059.jpg

20SFLV
01-19-2012, 20:30
I like Semi-auto better than revolvers. I always have. Nothing against the wheel guns of course. However, sometimes I feel the need to shoot a wheelgun. I have a small Taurus snubby 38 now but it was inherited and itís a little small for my hands. I also have a couple hundred rounds of 38 special .

I want to buy a revolver that is fun to shoot so I was thinking a big old 357 magnum since it can shoot the 38 ammo I have too. Nothing to conceal so I am thinking big and shiny. I will only take it to the range. It will probably be the only one I get so I want a decent one without breaking the bank.

My original thought was a 44 or 500SW but 38 and 357 is considerably cheaper and in a SHTF scenario will likely be readily available. As much fun as the 500 would be I am inclined to stick with something that would be useful. Opinions? What would you buy?

.357 Mag is a great choice. Take a look at a used Smith and Wesson model 28. There are quite a few of them in good condition ranging in price from $500 to around $700. 4" models are more in demand, but there are also 6" models which are just as good.

If you want a slightly smaller revolver, take a look at the S&W 581/586/681/686 models. The L frame came out just for the .357 Mag round. There was 2.5", 3", 4", 6", and 8 3/8" models. They are in the same price range as the bigger N frame, model 28.

The L and N frames and can shoot .357 Mag all day without a problem. You can also get a K frame (model 13, 19, 65, 67), but those guns had a problem with shooting a large amount of .357 Mag rounds which was why the L frame was introduced.

20SFLV
01-19-2012, 20:32
There's a lot of Smith & Wesson M10's out there that are police trade ins and can be had for under $300. Check Bud's. You can also find SS 64's fairly cheap check J&G. I have far more revolvers then auto's. They are fun to shoot.

Model 10s are great (model 64 is a stainless model 10), but they are .38 Special only. I did just buy a 64 that was used by Mandalay Bay security which is in excellent shape that looks like it was rarely fired for $250.

20SFLV
01-19-2012, 20:34
A local guy has a 6" bbl. one up for sale but he's asking $450 which I think is a bit much since he says it's had a lot of rounds thru it. They are built like dang tanks and will hold up to all the 357Mag that you'd care to put thru one. I really like the "aggressive" look of the 4" M28.

Believe it or not, model 28s are going for quite a bit more now than they were a few years ago. Guns you were able to get for $300, are now selling like crazy at $450. I was lucky to pick up a 4" model 28 with a S serial number for $400. Still don't know how I got that lucky.

The 6" models will be cheaper since the 4" models are more in demand.

Myke_Hart
01-19-2012, 20:34
Now my all time favorite revolver.

My smith 617 .22lr 10 shot
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/Handguns/IMG_7065.jpg

Pricey but fun! Shoots a dime size hole every time.
:supergrin::supergrin:

20SFLV
01-19-2012, 20:35
I had a S&W 686 (6 inch barrel in blue) that I loved to shoot. I sold it to my Dad so I'd have some cash for a G30. Now I get to shoot them both.

:wavey: :wavey:

Get one and you won't regret it.

Blued 686s are 586s. Same great gun.

20SFLV
01-19-2012, 20:37
I'm a big S&W fan, I own several. If I'm buying new today, I'm buying a Ruger.

That is why a lot of us buy used S&W since they are usually better deals than new guns. I own one new S&W, and all the others are from 1907 to 1992. They are built pretty well, and great to shoot.

20SFLV
01-19-2012, 20:40
Now my all time favorite revolver.

My smith 617 .22lr 10 shot
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/Handguns/IMG_7065.jpg

Pricey but fun! Shoots a dime size hole every time.
:supergrin::supergrin:

That is a really nice gun. I prefer older S&W, and the model 17, 18, and 617 are great guns. But you are right about being pricey. It is rare to get a decent S&W 22LR for less than $600 these days. Cheap ammo, expensive gun.

Glock 1
01-19-2012, 20:46
Since I am not a huge revolver fan, how do you tell what frame they are?

Glock 1
01-19-2012, 20:48
Is the only downside to a new 686 the price?

Six4Sure
01-19-2012, 21:00
Since I am not a huge revolver fan, how do you tell what frame they are?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/jstandridge23/6ad4a87e.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/jstandridge23/bce69f91.jpg

K & L square butts share the same stocks. But L frames have the full lug under the barrel, as apposed to the more classic, half lug. L frames also have 3 number model names, where as k frames have 2.

The grip with new smiths can probably be summarized with tow points:

1. The have the internal lock. It is a small lock by the cylinder release which can render the gun useless, when engaged. Some fear it can be engaged accidentally.

2. MIM parts. In the mid 90s, smith switched some of the parts from forged metal to injection molded. Some say the new parts are not as durable. The frame and the cylinder are still forged.

Berto
01-19-2012, 21:06
Now my all time favorite revolver.

My smith 617 .22lr 10 shot
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/Handguns/IMG_7065.jpg

Pricey but fun! Shoots a dime size hole every time.
:supergrin::supergrin:

Most .22s I have shoot like, .22 sized holes.:headscratch:

hogship
01-19-2012, 21:18
Most .22s I have shoot like, .22 sized holes.:headscratch:

I think you know what he meant........:supergrin:

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL431/781008/3935549/48491188.jpg

Glock 1
01-19-2012, 21:23
if your a dealer why would you even include a taurus? imo, good s/w, colt or ruger..
imo..no taurus..:shocked:

Only because of the price and it has been a long time since my bad experience. I guess I was hoping they had improved.

Glock 1
01-19-2012, 21:27
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/jstandridge23/6ad4a87e.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/jstandridge23/bce69f91.jpg

K & L square butts share the same stocks. But L frames have the full lug under the barrel, as apposed to the more classic, half lug. L frames also have 3 number model names, where as k frames have 2.

The grip with new smiths can probably be summarized with tow points:

1. The have the internal lock. It is a small lock by the cylinder release which can render the gun useless, when engaged. Some fear it can be engaged accidentally.

2. MIM parts. In the mid 90s, smith switched some of the parts from forged metal to injection molded. Some say the new parts are not as durable. The frame and the cylinder are still forged.

Excellent information. Now.I know what I am looking at when I see one. Thanks.

Myke_Hart
01-19-2012, 21:37
Most .22s I have shoot like, .22 sized holes.:headscratch:

Yep that's the problem, most of them scatter the bullets to the wind. Looks like a shot pattern.

This thing does not!

S&W 617 with crap bulk winchester ammo vs a sig mosquito
Dime size hole! One double action try flyer.
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/MISC/SWvsSIGMOSIMG_2494.jpg

To be fair the Smiths trigger gives it a huge advantage.
As well as better sights... and build... and..

Myke_Hart
01-19-2012, 21:46
I think you know what he meant........:supergrin:

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL431/781008/3935549/48491188.jpg

Mines not that nice, but I think I am getting close.

ViennaGambit
01-19-2012, 21:51
+1 on the S&W 686 - Plus (7 shot) 4". One heck of a fun gun to shoot. 38 sp feels like 22lr out of it. Big and shiny too!

YES!!!!! +100000,0000000,000000

S&W 686+ 4" all the way... and pre-lock if you can snag one! Such a fun and accurate gun - its both mine and my wife's favorite to shoot.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/harry1922/c4e25327.jpg
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/harry1922/2f2f4f56.jpg
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/harry1922/f37d815b.jpg

hogship
01-19-2012, 21:53
Mines not that nice, but I think I am getting close.

Hey, not to worry.....you're doing alright!

That target I showed was done with a Marlin 880sq rifle and 12x magnification........was just an example of a "dime sized hole". :supergrin:

ooc

Myke_Hart
01-19-2012, 21:59
YES!!!!! +100000,0000000,000000

S&W 686+ 4" all the way... and pre-lock if you can snag one! Such a fun and accurate gun - its both mine and my wife's favorite to shoot.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/harry1922/c4e25327.jpg


Sexy, even in black rubber!

Got wood? :embarassed:

hogship
01-19-2012, 22:12
Nothing like blue steel and wood for a classic look!

586-3

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL431/781008/1425902/365164504.jpg

TN.Frank
01-19-2012, 22:14
Believe it or not, model 28s are going for quite a bit more now than they were a few years ago. Guns you were able to get for $300, are now selling like crazy at $450. I was lucky to pick up a 4" model 28 with a S serial number for $400. Still don't know how I got that lucky.

The 6" models will be cheaper since the 4" models are more in demand.

The last M28 I owned I bought in '87 or '88 (can't quite remember) and I picked it up in 95% condition for $225 out the door from a dealer. Dang revolver prices are going thru the roof, I just don't understand it.

bsg1
01-19-2012, 22:22
S&W Model 19 or Model 66.

true believer
01-19-2012, 22:28
a few....s/w mod 19-3 s/w mod 60, s/w 36 and ruger...
:whistling:

Myke_Hart
01-20-2012, 05:32
Nothing like blue steel and wood for a classic look!

586-3

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL431/781008/1425902/365164504.jpg

Sigh... Beautiful... I got wood!:embarassed:

Myke_Hart
01-20-2012, 05:36
How about this old girl.

She's expensive but still sexy. Blue and muted wood.

Colt Diamondback .38spl
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/Handguns/IMG_7082.jpg

Six4Sure
01-20-2012, 07:28
Nothing like blue steel and wood for a classic look!

586-3

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL431/781008/1425902/365164504.jpg

A friend of mine got a 586 last year, after seeing it I realized my 686 needs a brother:

686-4 Built in December of 1993:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/jstandridge23/686/IMG_9234.jpgHerrett Cocobolo Stocks

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/jstandridge23/686/IMG_9125.jpgBusiness Black

I want to get a set of Ahrends, but cant decide the form. I am not a fan of finger grooves so It will probably limit me.

One more thing I forgot to add, if you are looking at a 686/586, it would be best to get one made from 1989-1997. After 89, Smith has a transferable lifetime warranty. After 1997 is when they made the switch to MIM parts and went round butt exclusively. If you need help with a date, PM me and I will check the Standard Catalog of Smith and Wesson.

http://www.hoguestore.com/images/categories/k_l_frame.jpg

MtnBiker
01-20-2012, 12:14
Blued 686s are 586s. Same great gun.

You're right. It's been so long since it sat in my gun safe, I got the model # wrong.

20SFLV
01-20-2012, 12:14
Is the only downside to a new 686 the price?

Some people don't like the look of the lock. That is the hole by the cylinder release. Some people also don't like the lock because there have been some reports of the gun locking up because the lock engages by itself. From what I understand, if that actually does happen, it is extremely rare.

Some people also think the new 686 isn't built as well as the older models due to MIM parts. While most of my revolvers don't have MIM parts, I wouldn't use that as a reason not to buy the revolver.

For the 581/586/681/686 models, most people think the 4th change (you can tell by looking the X86-4 marking on the yoke) is the best version as it has all of the fixes from earlier models, but doesn't have some of the items people don't like with the newer models.

If you can get over the lock and the price, I think you will enjoy the 686. If you get the 686+ version, it will hold seven rounds.

TN.Frank
01-20-2012, 12:54
Does the lock effect the action at all, i.e. does it give it a bad trigger pull in DA or SA OR is it just the look of it that turns people off to it being there?
I actually liked the lock on the last couple Taurus revolvers that I've owned. If I were going out of town and couldn't take my gun with me I'd simply lock it and take the keys with me. That way I know I'd not come home to have my own gun used against me. You can open the cylinder and run a pad lock around the top strap and disable the revolver from shooting but those built in little locks ARE really handy.

Six4Sure
01-20-2012, 13:16
Does the lock effect the action at all, i.e. does it give it a bad trigger pull in DA or SA OR is it just the look of it that turns people off to it being there?
I actually liked the lock on the last couple Taurus revolvers that I've owned. If I were going out of town and couldn't take my gun with me I'd simply lock it and take the keys with me. That way I know I'd not come home to have my own gun used against me. You can open the cylinder and run a pad lock around the top strap and disable the revolver from shooting but those built in little locks ARE really handy.

No, the lock does not have any negative effects on the action. They are easily disabled as well. There is also a gentleman on smith and wesson forums that sells "the plug"; it replaces the lock with a piece of color specific metal.

hogship
01-20-2012, 13:23
Does the lock effect the action at all, i.e. does it give it a bad trigger pull in DA or SA OR is it just the look of it that turns people off to it being there?
I actually liked the lock on the last couple Taurus revolvers that I've owned. If I were going out of town and couldn't take my gun with me I'd simply lock it and take the keys with me. That way I know I'd not come home to have my own gun used against me. You can open the cylinder and run a pad lock around the top strap and disable the revolver from shooting but those built in little locks ARE really handy.

I've never had a Smith with the lock, but I'd have no problem with the mechanics of it......it wouldn't bother me a bit.

What does bother me is the lock is a reminder of the deals Smith and Wesson made with the Clinton administration for political favor. That bothers me a lot.

The current Smith and Wesson company isn't the same as the English owned Smith and Wesson company at the time of the deals made.......but, for me, the lock will always be a reminder of a company that thought less of our Constitutional rights as much as they did politics of the time......sort of like the whole Bill Ruger affair. He tainted the name of Ruger for political reasons, and he abandoned the rights guaranteed in the Constitution for favorable standing with the government. Bill Ruger is gone, and so is the English owned Smith and Wesson, but both companies will forever have a tarnished image in their history because of unwise business decisions made by previous owners.

Regardless of all these past discrepancies, I would not hesitate to buy a Ruger recently manufactured......but, I won't buy a Smith revolver with the lock. I would buy one without the lock. I'd also buy a Smith automatic without the lock, and I have!



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pennlineman
01-20-2012, 15:53
I've never had a Smith with the lock, but I'd have no problem with the mechanics of it......it wouldn't bother me a bit.

What does bother me is the lock is a reminder of the deals Smith and Wesson made with the Clinton administration for political favor. That bothers me a lot.

The current Smith and Wesson company isn't the same as the English owned Smith and Wesson company at the time of the deals made.......but, for me, the lock will always be a reminder of a company that thought less of our Constitutional rights as much as they did politics of the time......sort of like the whole Bill Ruger affair. He tainted the name of Ruger for political reasons, and he abandoned the rights guaranteed in the Constitution for favorable standing with the government. Bill Ruger is gone, and so is the English owned Smith and Wesson, but both companies will forever have a tarnished image in their history because of unwise business decisions made by previous owners.

Regardless of all these past discrepancies, I would not hesitate to buy a Ruger recently manufactured......but, I won't buy a Smith revolver with the lock. I would buy one without the lock. I'd also buy a Smith automatic without the lock, and I have!



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You nailed the way I feel about the S&W lock. Plus I question the utility of the lock when one key fits all. It's only there for political reasons.

Nestor
01-20-2012, 16:08
One thing to consider.
I never found even ONE Ruger GP100 revolver with the trigger as nice as the one on the older S&W revolvers. I'm not buying the new products from S&W, so I can't comment on the trigger of the new 686, however between K frame, L frame and N frame I will pick up K frame most of the times as those models usually have the best triggers. It's partially because of the lighter cylinder and geometry of the frame IMHO. Good luck and have fun :wavey:

never enough
01-20-2012, 17:49
ruger sp101

HexHead
01-20-2012, 18:22
Couple of mine. Just got the bottom one yesterday...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/scat999999/c33155f8.jpg

HexHead
01-20-2012, 18:24
You nailed the way I feel about the S&W lock. Plus I question the utility of the lock when one key fits all. It's only there for political reasons.

My problem with Smith is that they are still using the lock. Even under new American ownership.

Bruce M
01-20-2012, 18:24
Now my all time favorite revolver.

My smith 617 .22lr 10 shot
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/Handguns/IMG_7065.jpg

Pricey but fun! Shoots a dime size hole every time.
:supergrin::supergrin:


That's a great one. Especially with increasing ammunition costs I like a .22 more and more. And to me there isn't much better than a Smith .22 revolver. They certainly have some experience with .22 revolvers. In fact I would go so far as to say no one has been doing it longer.

20SFLV
01-20-2012, 19:39
My problem with Smith is that they are still using the lock. Even under new American ownership.

Some of the J frames don't have the lock, but most of them do. The only modern revolver I have is a 442 which doesn't have the lock. They should either get rid of it or hide it like Ruger.

All K, L, N, and X frames have that lock which means if you really want one of the modern guns like the 500, you have to get that lock.

If gun comes with lock, probably a good idea to remove it and plug the hole.

Filhar
01-21-2012, 08:42
Go single action, a Ruger Vaquero in stainless is a great gun to shoot at the range. If you can find an old model with the larger frame, you've got a gun that's "hell for stout" and looks better than any double action gun.

Stevekozak
01-21-2012, 09:33
I actually liked the lock on the last couple Taurus revolvers that I've owned. If I were going out of town and couldn't take my gun with me I'd simply lock it and take the keys with me. That way I know I'd not come home to have my own gun used against me. .

That is what gun safes are for. No need to put a lock on a gun for this reason.

TN.Frank
01-21-2012, 09:59
That is what gun safes are for. No need to put a lock on a gun for this reason.

LOL, so I"m going to spend God Knows How Much on a Gun Safe to put one gun in. :rofl:

hogship
01-21-2012, 10:43
LOL, so I"m going to spend God Knows How Much on a Gun Safe to put one gun in. :rofl:

Yep, you are! That is, if you intend to secure your gun.

Those internal locks have only one real purpose......and, that is to make a showing to the anti-gun mindset that the company is doing what they can to prevent unauthorized use. There might be some small amount of substance to the thinking.......but, they are difficult to use and deploy the gun if needed. A combination lock box is a much better solution.

The internal locks have one glaring fundamental flaw......and, that is they do nothing to prevent a thief from putting your gun in his pocket and getting a generic key later.

Frank, there a zillion products on the market that are both cheap and offer some kind of theft and unauthorized use security for your handguns, shotguns, and rifles........and if you're going to use the "I can't afford it" excuse, then you are being disingenuous about this whole thing.

Hell......even a bicycle lock and old fashioned cheapie trigger lock offer more security than those damn internal locks........but, they have no "political clout"!

.....and "political clout" is what the ILs are all about! :upeyes:

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fx77
01-21-2012, 12:33
Colt Python in 357....great pistol

Fox
01-21-2012, 16:17
Consider buying a Ruger Blackhawk chambered in .357 Magnum. You can get a spare cylinder in 9mm Parabellum.

http://www.ruger.com/products/newModelBlackhawkConvertible/models.html

Myke_Hart
01-22-2012, 07:35
Consider buying a Ruger Blackhawk chambered in .357 Magnum. You can get a spare cylinder in 9mm Parabellum.

http://www.ruger.com/products/newModelBlackhawkConvertible/models.html

I don't recommend the blackhawk unless your into cowboy action shooting and reloading your own. It can take the heavy hitters but bunny farts feel better. In 9mm it probly would not be too bad.

The grip is way wrong (too short with no upper support) in the larger bullet chamberings, causes the gun to rise and twist in recoil hurting your hand. I get a ton of complaints about the grip when I let shooters try out my cowboy guns. When I shoot mine I install the hogue rubber grip.. then it is shootable. All day shootable.... but UGLY!:supergrin:

I suggest renting or borrowing one before you purchase one. You just might change your mind. Cowboy guns are a acquired taste.:embarassed:

Here is mine.
Ruger new super blackhawk in .44 mag as delivered.
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/Handguns/IMG_7087web.jpg

Blackhawk with the hogue grip makes it shootable by making the grip longer.
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/Handguns/Rugernewsuperblackhawk442.jpg

The Ruger Vaquero in 45 colt is a little better but not as beefy.
As shipped.
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/Handguns/IMG_6752_PB.jpg
How I modified it. I like wood.
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/Handguns/IMG_7058web.jpg

Stevekozak
01-22-2012, 11:08
LOL, so I"m going to spend God Knows How Much on a Gun Safe to put one gun in. :rofl:
Do you only have one gun? I should think you would want to secure all of your guns. If your worry is that someone is going to use it on you,you need to secure it. If they are bold enough to break into your house and then wait for you to get home to use your gun on you, they probably would not be too shy about just belting you over the head with it or cutting your throat. Just some things to think about. You can get a small decent gun safe for not too much dinero. No point in having nice guns if you can't secure them.

rangerabn
01-22-2012, 21:24
ROSSI / BRAZTECH R972 6" POLISHED STAINLESS 357MAG 6RD

You asked about this one early in your posts, and I can say my Rossi Interarms 971, stainless .357 mag, 4 inch barrel is my bedside gun. Beautiful quality, not a flaw, purchased used for around $250-$300 10 years ago, and I still love it. One of my son-in-laws calls it my "hand cannon." I can't imagine ever getting rid of it. My grandkids will inherit it.

glock2740
01-22-2012, 21:41
Can't go wrong with a GP100. Better priced than a 686, but if you can afford the 686, you won't go wrong with either. :cool:

Glock 1
01-26-2012, 17:08
I made the mistake of going on you tube and looking up 500 S&W videos (not the idiots). I think I may have inadvertently convinced myself I need a 500. And better hearing protection. :wow:

TN.Frank
01-26-2012, 17:13
Do you only have one gun?

Yep, I've only got one right now. Working on pickin' up a second one though. Either another semi-auto 40cal or a L-Frame S&W, not sure which right now.

tq_g22
01-26-2012, 17:29
vaqueros are the whip when it comes to revolvers. i love mine. but then again it all depends if you like single or double action. I feel like a cowboy with the single action... and it feels good :cool:

pennlineman
01-26-2012, 18:04
I made the mistake of going on you tube and looking up 500 S&W videos (not the idiots). I think I may have inadvertently convinced myself I need a 500. And better hearing protection. :wow:

Probably the funnest gun I own.

Myke_Hart
01-26-2012, 18:38
I made the mistake of going on you tube and looking up 500 S&W videos (not the idiots). I think I may have inadvertently convinced myself I need a 500. And better hearing protection. :wow:

Buy you a pair of padded shooting gloves. Shooting a whole box requires it!:supergrin::wavey:

I am in love with mine. But I do think that people at the range are getting tired of it. If someone next to you is not ready for it, they will pee themselves. :embarassed:

Plus I reload with H110 and it belches HUGE fire! :whistling:

Jade Falcon
01-26-2012, 20:06
+1 on the S&W 686 - Plus (7 shot) 4". One heck of a fun gun to shoot. 38 sp feels like 22lr out of it. Big and shiny too!

http://i42.tinypic.com/2v9t5iq.jpg

Here it is next to my "little G21"

http://i41.tinypic.com/23tqb1z.jpg

Ah yes, the gun with the Hillary Hole in it's non-solid sideplate, and a thin topstrap.

Sorry, but I've got to go with the Ruger GP-100 here. I've got one, and I don't know what all the fuss is about the "bad trigger", but mine's smooth as a bell. And it will hold up to the heaviest of magnums for years.

My only complaint is that there aren't many after-market grips available out there for it, other than Hogue.

427
01-26-2012, 20:18
Colt Trooper

TN.Frank
01-26-2012, 22:33
I've always found that single action grips fit my hand pretty well. Can't stand rubber grips on a single action because of the way they tend to roll up in the hand, the rubber always makes little blisters on my hand, wood lets the gun roll up like God intended and it takes a lot of the recoil out.
Still, I think a GP100 or 686 w/4" bbl would be a pretty good way to go for a decent revolver.