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DoubleWide
01-20-2012, 20:06
I'm looking for 9mm Single Stack CCW pistol. I've got a j-frame, but I'm looking for a thin flat pistol.

A thin flat 9mm pistol with
1. No manual safety
2. Big enough to get a decent grip - Kahr PM9 is too small
3. Prefer no useless things like locks, lci, magazine disconnnects but not necessarily deal breakers.

The usual things like reliability, shootability, recoil, weight, etc are taken for granted.

My main choices so far are Walther PPS, Kahr CW9, and Keltec PF9

CBennett
01-20-2012, 20:07
your first 2 are my choices in the order you have them listed...look at the Sig 239 also

RGbiker
01-20-2012, 20:10
Beretta Nano. Look for latest build SN. Around $399.

3rdgen40
01-20-2012, 20:13
Kahr CW9

collim1
01-20-2012, 20:13
Another vote for the P239. I love mine and carry it daily. It has been a very reliable gun, and is easy to shoot while still being concealable.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/collim1/DSC02366.jpg

Bruce M
01-20-2012, 20:14
Maybe a 3913?

Dawolf
01-20-2012, 20:15
Walther PPS. It is what a Glock would be like if they made a singlr stack 9mm.
Walther PPS - YouTube

CTfam
01-20-2012, 20:17
I would go with the Walther.

RYT 2BER
01-20-2012, 20:18
Walther pps is an awesome gun...period

The Habit
01-20-2012, 20:21
I'd keep an eye out for the Bersa BP9CC as well.

southern94
01-20-2012, 20:28
love my keltec pf9

jrs93accord
01-20-2012, 20:30
Kahr CW9

+1 :thumbsup:

3rdgen40
01-20-2012, 20:31
Another vote for the P239. I love mine and carry it daily. It has been a very reliable gun, and is easy to shoot while still being concealable.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/collim1/DSC02366.jpg
I carry a P239 as well.Great gun.However, if the OP wants a slim single stack I would not recommend it as the slide is quite thick.

Lampshade
01-20-2012, 20:32
PPS is a great gun, if you're used to shooting a J-frame though you might consider a Kahr since the triggers will be more similar.

1911master
01-20-2012, 20:35
Kahr P or CW9, Beretta Nano, Walther PPS. Own or have owned all four. All great pistols currently carry the NANO. Cant go wrong with any of them IMO.

kahrcarrier
01-20-2012, 20:37
Kahr K9 or Sig 239.

I would have no reservations about throwing a S&W 3913 into the mix, but he ruled out manual safetys............

Caladan
01-20-2012, 20:49
I would 2nd the PPS if I were spending your money. However, if I were spending my money, I would buy the CW9 (actually bought a PM9). Several friends have them, and they work quite well.

I wouldn't have any qualms about using a PF-9 for defense use if that is all I could spend, but if you have the money, these other suggestions would be much preferred.

Do try the Beretta Nano if you can find one. The grip isn't any longer than the PM's, but it's circumference is longer than the PM's, so it might work for you. It will be smaller than the PPS, PF9 or CW9.

I would also agree w/3rdgen40 about the Sig P239. It is as thick and as heavy as the popular double-stack polymer handguns, while providing less capacity.

teumessian_fox
01-20-2012, 20:51
My primary carry is a Sig 239 SAS DAK in 9mm. It's perfect for what you want.

R*E
01-20-2012, 20:54
I was looking for a slim 9mm and settled on a CW9. I'm very happy with it.

CharlestonG26
01-20-2012, 21:09
Another vote for the Sig P239. I have one in 9mm and love it.

Trey83
01-20-2012, 21:13
The Sig 239 isn't all that slim. With that being said, I have one and love it.

Gregg702
01-20-2012, 21:15
I have a P239 in .40, and it my favorite Sig, and one of my favorite guns period, despite being in a caliber I am not crazy about.

A-Train
01-20-2012, 21:30
I vote for the Walther. It's basically a single stack G26. Good stuff. Gaston should have made that pistol first but he was too busy cranking out the .45 GAP and other "useful" stuff . LOL!!!!

vikingsoftpaw
01-20-2012, 21:33
3rd Gen S&W 3953.

Ferdinandd
01-20-2012, 21:36
I'm looking for the same type of firearm. How about the CZ compact pistols? Anyone have experience with those?

lilrinn1019
01-20-2012, 21:46
walther pps i have one in .40 and carry it all summer long and you can adjust the grip length with different mags

45 Cal
01-20-2012, 21:52
I've got a Kahr PM9 and love it.......nothing better than 6+1 in a front pocket and forget it!

MoneyMaker
01-21-2012, 04:11
kahr cw9

barth
01-21-2012, 04:28
My P239 is in 357 Sig.
Shoots like a dream, laser accurate, no recoil.
It's a DA/SA gun with a near perfect trigger too.
Just got a SRT installed and haven't' gotten to the range yet (just picked up the gun late yesterday).
My only complaint, and it's really not a complaint, is the weight.
This bad boy weights nearly as much as my full size combat P220!

Super flat single stack 9?
Depending on size and weight you might want to look at a Kahr K9 Elite or a T9.

If you don't mind the weight, mine is 34 oz loaded, get the P239 and don't look back!
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IV Troop
01-21-2012, 08:47
P225/P6. There are still some floating around on the used market. Excellent handguns. I picked up a couple a few years back. Flat/narrow, excellent sights. Totally reliable. I never shoot mine, as I carry G19s, but still for what you are looking for, it would be something to consider.

writwing
01-21-2012, 09:04
Walther PPS

DoubleWide
01-21-2012, 10:32
Thanks for the recommendations. I'm hoping to hit two gunshows in the next 10 days. I'll keep my mind open and check out all suggestions.

I think the Sigs and S&W will be too big and heavy, I haven't seen a 239. I've seen a 225, but not when I was considering it for CCW. I've never looked at S&W compacts.

Bersa never even crossed my mind.

My initial impression of the Nano was I didn't like it. Since I can't tell you why, I'll check it out again.

Caladan
01-21-2012, 10:54
I think the Sigs and S&W will be too big and heavy, I haven't seen a 239. I've seen a 225, but not when I was considering it for CCW.

Bersa never even crossed my mind.

My initial impression of the Nano was I didn't like it. Since I can't tell you why, I'll check it out again.

The Sigs already suggested would not meet your requirements for a "thin flat pistol". The only thin thing about them is the magazine. They are as thick overall as a double-stack polymer such as a Glock or M&P, yet penalize you with more weight and less capacity. Don't get me wrong - I love my P239, but it would not make any sense to recommend one to someone looking for what you specify.

The thin polymer Bersa is brand new. Personally, I would wait a while before purchasing one, to see how they turn out.

Even though it is a rather ugly pistol, the Nano works quite well, and mine has had no problems at all. This is in sharp contrast to my older Kahr PM9, which had significant problems at first (it's fine now). You should at least check them out. I do think the Nano's build quality is better than the Kahrs, but the Kahrs are pretty good too, and in fact their somewhat new CM9 is probably a slightly better buy.

DoubleWide
01-21-2012, 10:55
I'm looking for the same type of firearm. How about the CZ compact pistols? Anyone have experience with those?

Most CZs are good pistols, but usually a heavier double stack pistols. You'd probably want to compare them to the Sigs and S&Ws. Get a good holster and belt if you're looking at them.

Lior
01-21-2012, 10:56
Heckler und Koch P7M8 comes to mind as a superb example of a single stack niner.

Fed Five Oh
01-21-2012, 11:00
Kel Tec PF9.

DoubleWide
01-21-2012, 11:07
My friend has the PM9 and it wants to squirm in my hands. I feel like I have to readjust after every round. He loves it and says he actually shoots better with the short mag. Due to actual experience with the
PM9, I wouldn't get the PM9 or CM9.

I do appreciate the comparisons from owners of multiple guns.

Oh well, off to the first gun show. It'll probably just be window shopping today, but we'll see.

DoubleWide
01-21-2012, 11:15
Heckler und Koch P7M8 comes to mind as a superb example of a single stack niner.

Any experience with pulling it out of a ccw holster?

Caladan
01-21-2012, 11:15
My friend has the PM9 and it wants to squirm in my hands. I feel like I have to readjust after every round. He loves it and says he actually shoots better with the short mag. Due to actual experience with the
PM9, I wouldn't get the PM9 or CM9.


The Nano's grip circumference is longer than the PM/CM, and the PPS' longer still. Since there isn't a lot of difference between the Nano and PM/CM, I would bet that the PPS would be the way to go for you.

I do not know if the Kahr CW's are larger in the grip area than their smaller counterparts, but it would be worth finding out. These will be noticeably cheaper than the PPS.

Lior
01-21-2012, 11:24
Any experience with pulling it out of a ccw holster?


Can't say I have, but it was hands down better than my G17 for fast, accurate gunfire at 10 yards.

motorcyclist
01-21-2012, 11:26
Just got back from the indoor range. One of the pistols I shot was my PF9 for another 50 rounds or so without a hiccup. I stopped counting but the total now is somewhere around 1200 rounds. It's been so good I splurged on having its slide nickel plated. Hard to beat for the money.

Caladan
01-21-2012, 11:27
Any experience with pulling it out of a ccw holster?

Yes. I have carried mine in a pancake holster, exactly one time. Pulling it out is not a problem.

I would agree with the above in that the P7M8/PSP are excellent examples of single-stack nines. They are considered by many to be the most reliable semi-auto ever made. However, there are a few things you should know. First, they do not meet your stated requirements for a thin, flat handgun. They are over 1" thick, while the others mentioned here are under 1". 2nd, they are built like the proverbial brick poop-house and are therefore very heavy. I would estimate that they are at least 50% heavier than the polymer guns mentioned here, if not more. 3rd, most of the weight is in the grips, so any holster you might want will need a prominent forward cant in order to balance nicely. Not a problem, unless you don't like a forward cant in your holsters.

I don't carry mine because it is too much weight for just nine rounds. But they are a great weapon, so I would not fault anyone else for carrying one.

cowboywannabe
01-21-2012, 11:37
id recommend a S&W 3953.

no manual safeties.

not small and hard to hold yet not big either, its right in the middle.

and did i mention slim?

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff256/JerryS357/100_3467.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff256/JerryS357/100_3469-1.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff256/JerryS357/100_3468.jpg

eracer
01-21-2012, 11:40
Walther PPS. It is what a Glock would be like if they made a singlr stack 9mm.
Walther PPS - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unOXaB3QoYk)This. I fondled one of these the other day, and it was SWEET.

eracer
01-21-2012, 11:42
I've got a Kahr PM9 and love it.......nothing better than 6+1 in a front pocket and forget it!Unless it's 6+1 .45 ACP in front pocket and forget it! (Happy PM45 owner.)
:wavey:

bigleaf
01-21-2012, 11:48
Like some others, I'd say a Kahr P9. One more bullet in the mag, and proportionately longer grip and sight plane than the PM9. But just as solid, just as accurate, with that great trigger (you can actually stay on target!)

The mag release and slide stop are both where they should be, so that a stressful situation won't leave you fumbling and losing time (or your life.)

And it's so very glock-like. Except that it's thin and lovely. You can wear your own pants, use an M-tac IWB, and drive with it on and you really don't mind. I never got to that point with my 26. Never.

8 shots from a completely hidden pistol can be a devastating surprise to a fellow with bad intent.

Spiffums
01-21-2012, 12:01
I haven't had any problems with my Keltec PF9 but then I don't carry it as a primary weapon. It is purely backup.

Big Bird
01-21-2012, 12:19
I've owned and or shot all the guns mentioned so far. In terms of weight/size/shootability the Walther PPS beats em all. Its a little bigger and heavier than a PM9 or a LC9 or Keltec PF9 but that makes it much easier to shoot and control.

DoubleWide
01-21-2012, 14:51
Well, I came home with a PPS. I haven't gone to range yet and there's still another gun show next weekend :whistling:

This was a smaller show, but with a lot of old handguns. Unfortunately, my buddy who wants a Luger was out of town.

No Bersa or S&W pistols there.
Only 1 P7 with a screwed up barrel
Plenty of Keltec PF9s. Great price, didn't feel as nice to me, very loose slides on the ones I handled. I guess it's more reliable that way, but...
Sig 239 was bigger than I was looking for.
The Nano seems like a good choice, and made for CCW, but there's just some reason I kept putting it down and walking away.
Only saw the Kahr CW45 which seemed closer to the size of a Glock 19.

Thanks for the help. Like I said, I still got to get to the range and get past another gun show plus there are plenty of others looking so if you have any more recommendations, keep them coming.

The Habit
01-21-2012, 15:07
I'm guessing you'll be pretty happy with the PPS.

Haldor
01-21-2012, 15:42
My first thought was the Walther PPS. Very comfortable pistol that is easy to shoot well. Not a pocket pistol, but should work very well in an IWB holster.

If you are on a budget I think the Keltec PF9 is about the best of the less expensive, ultra-thin 9mm pistols out there. Mine has been 100% reliable for me (with 1K rounds through it) and is very accurate. Recoil is a bit sharp, but that is the price you pay for having a 12 oz, 9mm pistol. Again, not a pocket pistol.

I had Sharktec make me a custom kydex holster for mine after I installed the CAT laser on it. Still very concealable.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh168/HaldorPhil/Guns/IMG_0772.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh168/HaldorPhil/Guns/IMG_0773.jpg

P.S. I have since ditched the grip sleeve. It is not a range gun and the sleeve made the gun a bit slower on the draw.

DoubleWide
01-25-2012, 23:08
Thanks for everyone's help especially the PPS recommenders.

I've got some range time with PPS. I'm very happy with it so far, so I don't think I'll be buying another CCW. I made decent groups with different ammo. No issues. I like the shorter mag. I haven't decided about the grips, but possibly leaning towards the smaller grip. While the gun is thin, it's not too thin for me. I was shocked how close it was in size to my Glock 19, but the thinness makes it a completely different animal. Now, I understand the reason for a single stack glock. Reoil is very good, much better than a 3" XD or a 642.

I do wish the grip was slighly more open for getting a better grip on it from a holster, but it's not bad. The 642 was fantastic for that. I'll try to pick up a better holster for it this weekend.

Now I'll have to spend my time at the gun show looking for some impractical guns.

IrvJr
01-26-2012, 06:04
My vote is for an all-steel Kahr K9. I have one and love it. It's very thin, reasonably light, easy to grip and shoot, very durable and reliable. it conceals very well in an MTAC holster.

ropin4gold
01-28-2012, 22:21
Glad you like your PPS. I am very impressed with them.

cowboy1964
01-29-2012, 01:29
Walther PPS if you want to keep the weight down. Sig 239 is a great piece but it is heavy. It's not all that thin either when you get down to it.

MinnesnowtaWild
01-29-2012, 02:17
Have you looked at the Taurus PT709 slim? I know Taurus doesn't have the best reputation, but for the price it seems like a great gun. I am a big Ruger fan so I would mention the LC9 but I cannot stand the trigger pull. The trigger on the 709 slim though is much better and very easy to operate.

emopunker2004
01-29-2012, 02:26
Kahr CW9

dscottw88
01-29-2012, 02:40
I carry a PF9

High Altitude
01-29-2012, 03:21
Kahr CW9 or Bersa BP9CC

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c141/myphotos27/bp9ccw93.jpg

glascowangus
01-29-2012, 11:45
p225/ p6 a joy to carry

Glock23lover
01-29-2012, 12:52
Definitely Kahr CW9 or P9. I've had the P9 for about 8 years and I've never had a problem with it. It is only .90 inches wide from the slide down and it just doesn't get any thinner than that really, and still be able to get a full grip on the gun.

azbuckeye
01-29-2012, 17:55
Sig 239...

ca survivor
01-29-2012, 18:10
H & K P-7 or easy to find a Sig Sauer P-239

mingaa
04-10-2012, 18:18
Have you looked at the Taurus PT709 slim? I know Taurus doesn't have the best reputation, but for the price it seems like a great gun. I am a big Ruger fan so I would mention the LC9 but I cannot stand the trigger pull. The trigger on the 709 slim though is much better and very easy to operate.
Yeah my smallest gun is a Kahr CW9 and that goes IWB really well but in looking for a pocket pistol I stumbles on the Taurus 709 Slim and I can pocket it in Jeans or cargo pants. Price is right, trigger is good as are reviews. I was set on tracking down a Ruger 9 but for the price I may change my mind. and could IWB and BUG in the summer without feeling weighted down. HMMmmmmmmmmmmmm....

MLittle
04-10-2012, 21:12
id recommend a S&W 3953.

no manual safeties.

not small and hard to hold yet not big either, its right in the middle.

and did i mention slim?

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff256/JerryS357/100_3467.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff256/JerryS357/100_3469-1.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff256/JerryS357/100_3468.jpg


What kind of holster do you have for your S&W?? I just bought a 6906 (LE trade-in) from Gunsamerica and I'm trying to find a holster. They're not as plentiful as holsters for modern pistols............

mikegun
04-10-2012, 21:26
Just got back from the indoor range. One of the pistols I shot was my PF9 for another 50 rounds or so without a hiccup. I stopped counting but the total now is somewhere around 1200 rounds. It's been so good I splurged on having its slide nickel plated. Hard to beat for the money.

i have a couple of kel tec pf-9s and they shoot as well as my glocks...no probs at all with late model numbers...:wavey:

wlkjr
04-10-2012, 23:15
i have a couple of kel tec pf-9s and they shoot as well as my glocks...no probs at all with late model numbers...:wavey:
Apparently serial # RYY is not late enough. It is terribly ammo sensitive. It's a great size and feel but I wouldn't put my life on the line with it.

boomhower
04-11-2012, 01:17
I love my 239 but it's not the lightest thing out there by any stretch. I'd probably go PPS.


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carbuncle
04-11-2012, 01:19
I'm looking for 9mm Single Stack CCW pistol. I've got a j-frame, but I'm looking for a thin flat pistol.

A thin flat 9mm pistol with
1. No manual safety
2. Big enough to get a decent grip - Kahr PM9 is too small
3. Prefer no useless things like locks, lci, magazine disconnnects but not necessarily deal breakers.

The usual things like reliability, shootability, recoil, weight, etc are taken for granted.

My main choices so far are Walther PPS, Kahr CW9, and Keltec PF9

I've got the PPS: it's the carry gun I was searching for all along. Accurate, reliable, reasonable weight and very accurate.

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cowboywannabe
04-11-2012, 02:25
biancchi #100 professional.

hsprincipal
04-11-2012, 04:54
KAHR CW9 or CW45. Very thin and easy to conceal.

Bob Hafler
04-11-2012, 06:52
The PM9 I own and carry everyday is a very nice single stack 9mm pistol, but I'm still going to be looking very hard at the XDs 9mm when it comes out. I like the idea of having a grip safety, especially for when your reholstering the weapon.

MrGlock21
04-11-2012, 12:51
I've taken them all to the range for excessive shooting.

My preference is the PPS hands down. I also carry the PF9 in a front pocket.
If I had to change I'd probably go for the Nano.

SCmasterblaster
04-11-2012, 12:57
Try a .45 ACP single stack - a G36.

FireForged
04-11-2012, 13:03
your first 2 are my choices in the order you have them listed...look at the Sig 239 also

Sig p239! Now-a-days its not really considered a small gun but its not a problem to carry my any means. Very Very reliable and I love the de-cocker.

FireForged
04-11-2012, 13:06
The only thing I hate about the khar is the slide tension. I mean, heck... you gotta pull that slide back with all your might as compared to just about anything else. its just odd.

Bob Hafler
04-11-2012, 13:59
My PM9 loosened up quite a bit in the 200 round break in and seems to get better with age. Have well over 1500 rounds through it now and it is a gem. I've also shot the PPS-9 and it is also a very nice pistol.

mingaa
04-19-2012, 08:13
Have you looked at the Taurus PT709 slim? I know Taurus doesn't have the best reputation, but for the price it seems like a great gun. I am a big Ruger fan so I would mention the LC9 but I cannot stand the trigger pull. The trigger on the 709 slim though is much better and very easy to operate.
My EDC is a Kahr CW9 - I have a Taurus 709 on the way for summer carry and BUG service - never considered one until I started shopping and handling pocket / small 9s (the gun comes in 40 S&W as well as the 740). Palmetto State Armory is currently selling the 709 at $270! The gun borrowed a lot from Glock - not a bad thing. It has a great trigger for a gun in this price range! Of course MSRP is $483 and PSA has marked them down from $359. Look for a Kahr / Taurus range report very soon! :cool:

MrGlock21
04-19-2012, 11:16
No Beretta Nanonians here?

I got one the other day and like its feel. At least holding and dry firing it. Gonna take it to the range on the weekend.

Hokiegrass
04-19-2012, 13:38
I've owned the pm-9 and pps. I still own the PPS.

It is my EDC 80% of the time and is really fun to shoot. I enjoy range time with the pps much more than with my pm9

mikegun
04-19-2012, 15:40
love my keltec pf9

same here, very light, very accurate, as dependable as my Glocks.....

ZO6Vettever
04-19-2012, 15:42
Relax, take a dump and a full size pistol will work for you. I used to be an avid bike rider and went crazy to save a pound or two on my bike. Take a crap and ride....nobody is lookin' for your CCW. The LEO's see it, they are trained to spot it and you can't hide it from them. Relax!

GlockFish
04-20-2012, 00:57
The kahrs are all very slim. The K9 is a great CCW. If you can find a Kahr T9, even better.

FireForged
04-20-2012, 08:06
Another vote for the P239. I love mine and carry it daily. It has been a very reliable gun, and is easy to shoot while still being concealable.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/collim1/DSC02366.jpg

Yep! The 239 is my current ccw and I love it!! I did opt for the short trigger but someone with large hands would probably like it with the standard trigger. So far the best ccw holster IMO for the Sig is a Raven OWB with "wings".

ftw13
04-20-2012, 22:48
i have a PPS and love the freakin thing,walther makes top notch german engineered weapons. HK quality at glock prices

GlockFish
04-20-2012, 23:51
Relax, take a dump and a full size pistol will work for you. I used to be an avid bike rider and went crazy to save a pound or two on my bike. Take a crap and ride....nobody is lookin' for your CCW. The LEO's see it, they are trained to spot it and you can't hide it from them. Relax!

You sure like talking about poop. What's up with that?

kirgi08
04-21-2012, 00:44
Tok 213.'08.