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Travclem
01-23-2012, 09:11
I am in the market for a new 1911. I don't want to spend more than $1500-1600. I have a Springer Loaded that has been upgraded to almost a TRP. The difference is my loaded has a Brazil mark on the frame which I hate.

If you were in the market for a ~$1500 1911 would you buy the TRP or something else? Can more be had for your money in another 1911? No cheap (RIA, etc.) suggestions please. I want a higher end production 1911.

B_RAD
01-23-2012, 09:24
Buds has Valors for $1515 shipped. The non duty coat are about $100 cheaper.


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knedrgr
01-23-2012, 09:53
DW Valor, hands down.

Travclem
01-23-2012, 09:55
Any reason why the Valor is superior to the TRP?

38 Super Fan
01-23-2012, 10:09
I'd personally go with a Baer, but a Valor would be a close second.

B_RAD
01-23-2012, 10:26
I'd personally go with a Baer, but a Valor would be a close second.

I've seen some new Baers on gunbroker for under $1700.


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B_RAD
01-23-2012, 10:29
Any reason why the Valor is superior to the TRP?

Don't know if it's superior? Just different. I would buy it over the TRP but that's just my opinion. The Valors have no MIM parts. If that matters to you. The only thing the TRP has that Valor doesn't that I prefer is the magwell. Other than that I like all the options on the Valor better. Do a google search for TRP vs Valor. bac did one on here.


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knedrgr
01-23-2012, 10:45
At the end of the day, it comes down to YOUR preferences and it's YOUR money. So one will be able to justify THEIR preferences on you. With that being said, I like the Valor over the TRP for these reasons:
• 30 lpi FSC vs the TRP's abrasive 20 lpi.
• No MIM in the gun. It's just a comfort and knowing all parts are all steel.
• 0.250 BTGS radius for higher grip.

And believe me, I'm a fan of SA, as I have 2 SAs in my collection. The only thing that SA has over the DW, is their lifetime warranty. And they are known for their superior CS, and warranty service. Case and point, I had traded my Mil-Spec for a Compact, and ended up finding the Compact needed a new barrel. I called SA and within minutes, I had a prepaid FedEx label in my email. The gun was returned to me in 2 weeks w/ a new barrel. And I'm the 3rd owner of this gun.

Lastly, I too would put the Baer a close second.

Travclem
01-23-2012, 10:58
At the end of the day, it comes down to YOUR preferences and it's YOUR money. So one will be able to justify THEIR preferences on you. With that being said, I like the Valor over the TRP for these reasons:
30 lpi FSC vs the TRP's abrasive 20 lpi.
No MIM in the gun. It's just a comfort and knowing all parts are all steel.
0.250 BTGS radius for higher grip.

And believe me, I'm a fan of SA, as I have 2 SAs in my collection. The only thing that SA has over the DW, is their lifetime warranty. And they are known for their superior CS, and warranty service. Case and point, I had traded my Mil-Spec for a Compact, and ended up finding the Compact needed a new barrel. I called SA and within minutes, I had a prepaid FedEx label in my email. The gun was returned to me in 2 weeks w/ a new barrel. And I'm the 3rd owner of this gun.

Lastly, I too would put the Baer a close second.
Thanks, I found Bac's old review. After reading that, I think I'm still leaning towards the TRP but am definitely considering the Valor.

B_RAD
01-23-2012, 11:14
Thanks, I found Bac's old review. After reading that, I think I'm still leaning towards the TRP but am definitely considering the Valor.

$1325 for non armory-kote at buds.


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asiparks
01-23-2012, 11:27
Baer and Valor

http://gallery.me.com/asiparks/100347/DSCF0063/web.jpg

Brown and Valor

http://gallery.me.com/asiparks/100347/DSCF0061/web.jpg

I had a TRP back in '08, it was a great gun, and it may have been tweaked since then, but I believe that the Valor is a better gun, it's exceptionally well fitted, the parts used are top notch and I frankly just like the way it looks. The Baer is another favorite, but it's a little rougher around the edges than the Valor, but there's nothing between them accuracy or reliability wise.

The Valor and the Brown are incredibly similar side by side. The Brown is fractionally, fractionally smoother than the Valor. But being about 5000 rounds of 230g more expensive than the DW, it bloody should be....

jwhite75
01-23-2012, 11:29
http://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalog/les-baer/1911-premier-ii-45acp-5in-8rd-black/

http://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalog/les-baer/1911-custom-carry-45acp-5in-8rd-black/

I like DW well enough and would not be ashamed of them but Les Baer knows his stuff.

20South
01-23-2012, 13:55
I went TRP. I liked the magwell, the comfort behind the Springfield brand, and my lgs had one in stock. Its been an outstanding pistol. I like the Valor too, but for me I just liked the TRP better.

NeverMore1701
01-23-2012, 15:13
Dan Wesson would be my pick in that price range.

CanIhaveGasCash
01-23-2012, 15:26
I love my TRP's, and the only way you should be paying close to $1500 for one is if you are going for the railed version. The non railed TRP's usually go for $1300-$1350.

Springfield has earned my business because of their customer service. Since my guns aren't safe queens, that was definitely a factor. Springfield has treated me very well.

I have never owned a Valor, but I do have a GI NN, and I always find myself shooting one of the TRP's instead. My railed version, which is currently at the Springfield Custom Shop, has thousands of rounds through it without so much as a hiccup.

But really you can't go wrong either way.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e84/canihavegascash/IMG_1290.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e84/canihavegascash/IMG_1582.jpg

Travclem
01-23-2012, 16:50
I love my TRP's, and the only way you should be paying close to $1500 for one is if you are going for the railed version. The non railed TRP's usually go for $1300-$1350.

Springfield has earned my business because of their customer service. Since my guns aren't safe queens, that was definitely a factor. Springfield has treated me very well.

I have never owned a Valor, but I do have a GI NN, and I always find myself shooting one of the TRP's instead. My railed version, which is currently at the Springfield Custom Shop, has thousands of rounds through it without so much as a hiccup.

But really you can't go wrong either way.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e84/canihavegascash/IMG_1290.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e84/canihavegascash/IMG_1582.jpg
I said that as a retail price range for selections. Wholesale is where I'll likely get it.

Quack
01-23-2012, 17:00
Springfield Professional Operator - $1525 :D

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-nKCCZxV/0/L/i-nKCCZxV-L.jpg

asiparks
01-23-2012, 17:24
Springfield Professional Operator - $1525 :D

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-nKCCZxV/0/L/i-nKCCZxV-L.jpg

I made a point of paying a lot more for mine to make sure it didn't have a flat trigger....:whistling:

Travclem
01-23-2012, 17:53
Springfield Professional Operator - $1525 :D

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-nKCCZxV/0/L/i-nKCCZxV-L.jpg
Where at?

asiparks
01-23-2012, 18:02
Where at?

offer him $1600............

bac1023
01-23-2012, 18:04
There are some nice choices in the guide below. :)

Mohawk Grenade
01-23-2012, 18:18
Les Baer Thunder Ranch from Pro Load Distributors, best price ever.

Rinspeed
01-23-2012, 18:20
I made a point of paying a lot more for mine to make sure it didn't have a flat trigger....:whistling:





:supergrin:

plouffedaddy
01-23-2012, 18:27
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l178/tiffani33/Guns/IMAG0783.jpg


Look no further brother. The TRP is simply fantastic. I've shot many Wilsons, Browns, Dan Wessons, ect.. and the TRP is every bit as good or better then those IMO. I know the "mim" haters will jump in (I don't like mim either for what it's worth...) but the gun is so refined otherwise I can forgive it. I did an initial review below and have shot a couple hundred rounds since the review and it's just getting better.

http://gunreviewguy.blogspot.com/2012/01/springfield-armory-trp-with-rail-and.html

curriek
01-23-2012, 18:35
I'm having a hard time deciding myself. TRP v Valor. I don't know if I want to save some money and load up on mags and ammo or just spring for the Valor. The Valor is just a beautiful gun to me.

Travclem
01-23-2012, 18:38
offer him $1600............
Hell I'd do it today:supergrin:

curriek
01-23-2012, 18:39
Does anyone know if I can just swap out the stock night sights on the TRP for a set of Heinie Straight Eights or will it have to be milled?

Travclem
01-23-2012, 18:48
Does anyone know if I can just swap out the stock night sights on the TRP for a set of Heinie Straight Eights or will it have to be milled?
Disregard, I was wrong.

Quack
01-23-2012, 19:08
Does anyone know if I can just swap out the stock night sights on the TRP for a set of Heinie Straight Eights or will it have to be milled?

you'll need to do some work on the rear sight to get it to fit, Springfield under cuts the rear sight dovetail. you also have to make sure that you get the front sight for the Springfield dovetail, which is not the standard Novak cut.

http://quacksgunstuff.blogspot.com/2011/02/replacing-sights-on-springfield-fixed.html

http://quacksgunstuff.blogspot.com/2012/01/fitting-rear-sight.html

CanIhaveGasCash
01-24-2012, 01:15
I'm having a hard time deciding myself. TRP v Valor. I don't know if I want to save some money and load up on mags and ammo or just spring for the Valor. The Valor is just a beautiful gun to me.

The TRP is definitely not a pretty gun, in fact I think they might even be ugly, but they are functional.

Travclem
01-24-2012, 05:41
The TRP is definitely not a pretty gun, in fact I think they might even be ugly, but they are functional.

Beauty is a very subjective thing, I think I like the looks of the TRP better than the Valor.


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ca survivor
01-24-2012, 10:16
I'm having a hard time deciding myself. TRP v Valor. I don't know if I want to save some money and load up on mags and ammo or just spring for the Valor. The Valor is just a beautiful gun to me.
My vote is for the TRP, mags, nice holster and ammo.

brisk21
01-24-2012, 10:20
Id say go for the TRP. Ive been happy with mine!! Like others said though, its really about what features you want. Quality is pretty much equal between the two.

http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg428/benrisk21/2011-02-03_14-01-01_960.jpg

Kimura
01-24-2012, 10:38
I am in the market for a new 1911. I don't want to spend more than $1500-1600. I have a Springer Loaded that has been upgraded to almost a TRP. The difference is my loaded has a Brazil mark on the frame which I hate.

If you were in the market for a ~$1500 1911 would you buy the TRP or something else? Can more be had for your money in another 1911? No cheap (RIA, etc.) suggestions please. I want a higher end production 1911.

If your Loaded is reliable, I wouldn't worry a lot about the Made in Brazil part. A good reliable gun is a good reliable gun no matter where it's made. Just my opinion, but it's a tool and if it works, it works.

Regarding your TRP versus; it's hard for someone else to tell you what works for you. If you can shoot them, that's optimal. I've never run a DW, so I have nothing to say about them. I did, however, run a half rail TRP last week. Ran some 15 yard strong hand and weak hand runs plus four FAST drills. It was accurate, and when running the FAST drills, it was very easy to handle at speed. No problems with pistol, but I didn't have a lot of time either, so it didn't exactly get a workout. Not the first time I've run one. I've previously run 400 rounds through one in a day and didn't have any problems with it either. So, I like the gun quite a bit. In your position though, I'm not sure that I wouldn't wait and save another $1000.00 and get the Professional.

Also, the prices on the Les Baer guns that were listed earlier in the thread were excellent. I would add those to the list of possibilities.

Travclem
01-24-2012, 11:11
If your Loaded is reliable, I wouldn't worry a lot about the Made in Brazil part. A good reliable gun is a good reliable gun no matter where it's made. Just my opinion, but it's a tool and if it works, it works.

Regarding your TRP versus; it's hard for someone else to tell you what works for you. If you can shoot them, that's optimal. I've never run a DW, so I have nothing to say about them. I did, however, run a half rail TRP last week. Ran some 15 yard strong hand and weak hand runs plus four FAST drills. It was accurate, and when running the FAST drills, it was very easy to handle at speed. No problems with pistol, but I didn't have a lot of time either, so it didn't exactly get a workout. Not the first time I've run one. I've previously run 400 rounds through one in a day and didn't have any problems with it either. So, I like the gun quite a bit. In your position though, I'm not sure that I wouldn't wait and save another $1000.00 and get the Professional.

Also, the prices on the Les Baer guns that were listed earlier in the thread were excellent. I would add those to the list of possibilities.


The Loaded is reliable and shoots really well, I'll just never be 100% happy with it saying Made in Brazil on the side. I'll probably trade the Loaded to my dad if I get a TRP. I could/would buy the Pro but there's no way I'm going to wait that long for one. I'm a very impatient person.

asiparks
01-24-2012, 11:51
nothing wrong with an Imbel made Springfield....

http://gallery.me.com/asiparks/100347/DSCN3163/web.jpg

majette
01-24-2012, 20:34
In your position though, I'm not sure that I wouldn't wait and save another $1000.00 and get the Professional.

this.

Also, the prices on the Les Baer guns that were listed earlier in the thread were excellent. I would add those to the list of possibilities.

and this.

i went loaded--> mc operator--> trp operator--> pro. no regrets with sa.

one friend has a baer trs, another has a dw. shot them both, did not like the dw, really liked the trs.

Samboard
01-25-2012, 10:31
I love my glocks, had a couple 1911's, but never loved them. Until i picked this up.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-83UVtLxD6VQ/TwcoCwAeQmI/AAAAAAAAAb0/wQqi3g3fcfk/s640/20120106_114034.jpg

I now want every version of this thing. its a disease.

bac1023
01-25-2012, 10:56
I'm having a hard time deciding myself. TRP v Valor. I don't know if I want to save some money and load up on mags and ammo or just spring for the Valor. The Valor is just a beautiful gun to me.

I compared the two a few years back...

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=885646

BLau
01-25-2012, 11:01
I had a TRP. It was the best gun I owned at the time. I sold it to fund a Desert Tactical rifle. I still miss it.

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Travclem
01-25-2012, 11:06
I compared the two a few years back...

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=885646
I found this the other day. I'm 99%sure I'm going with the TRP.

bac1023
01-25-2012, 14:38
I found this the other day. I'm 99%sure I'm going with the TRP.

You really can't go wrong with either.

FARTHAMMER
01-25-2012, 14:53
Dan Wesson for the win. Why pay the same for lesser quality parts. Wesson have no MIM and every part is made in America. 100% American, or pay a couple hundred less for a Brazilian gun. No question there for me but it is up to you.

bac1023
01-25-2012, 15:40
Dan Wesson for the win. Why pay the same for lesser quality parts. Wesson have no MIM and every part is made in America. 100% American, or pay a couple hundred less for a Brazilian gun. No question there for me but it is up to you.

Probably because you can get an entry level Les Baer for the same price as the Valor these days, that's why.

The TRP is a better value, in my opinion.

Kimura
01-25-2012, 16:02
this.



and this.

i went loaded--> mc operator--> trp operator--> pro. no regrets with sa.

one friend has a baer trs, another has a dw. shot them both, did not like the dw, really liked the trs.

I think the Pro is one of the best 1911 duty guns out there. Just a quick read of the FBI test says volumes about the gun and Springfield Custom Shop. One question I do have though is did you find a big difference between the MC Operator and the TRP Operator? As I've mentioned, I've run the TRP Operator, but haven't ever had a chance to run the MC, so I'm curious.

Probably because you can get an entry level Les Baer for the same price as the Valor these days, that's why.

I agree. With Les Baer prices what they are right now, it's kind of hard not to look at them. The TT link had a TRS with night sights for $1800.00. I don't know if there's a better 1911 on the market right now in that price range. The only drawback, at least for me, is no light rail.

Travclem
01-25-2012, 16:08
I think the Pro is one of the best 1911 duty guns out there. Just a quick read of the FBI test says volumes about the gun and Springfield Custom Shop. One question I do have though is did you find a big difference between the MC Operator and the TRP Operator? As I've mentioned, I've run the TRP Operator, but haven't ever had a chance to run the MC, so I'm curious.



I agree. With Les Baer prices what they are right now, it's kind of hard not to look at them. The TT link had a TRS with night sights for $1800.00. I don't know if there's a better 1911 on the market right now in that price range. The only drawback, at least for me, is no light rail.
The Baers in the link are both out of stock with no ETA.

I want a Stainless gun and have decided on the TRP due to Springfield's tried and true track record, and not one negative review on the gun. I kinda like the tacky rollmarks on it.:supergrin: I don't have the patience to wait on a pro, or I'd probably do that... even though it's not stainless.

Quack
01-25-2012, 16:10
The Baers in the link are both out of stock with no ETA.

I want a Stainless gun and have decided on the TRP due to Springfield's tried and true track record, and not one negative review on the gun. I kinda like the tacky rollmarks on it.:supergrin: I don't have the patience to wait on a pro, or I'd probably do that... even though it's not stainless.

give Crazy John a call, I think he's having a sale on Baers

Quack
01-25-2012, 16:11
http://www.1911addicts.com/showthread.php?2918-CJ-s-3rd-Annual-Hurry-Up-And-Wait-Birthday-Sale&p=43230#post43230

38 Super Fan
01-25-2012, 22:05
give Crazy John a call, I think he's having a sale on Baers
Yep, I'd defiantely at least give CJ a call. I still think an entry level Baer is probably the best value you can find in 1911s today.

DubfromGA
01-26-2012, 13:36
I'm having a hard time deciding myself. TRP v Valor. I don't know if I want to save some money and load up on mags and ammo or just spring for the Valor. The Valor is just a beautiful gun to me.

I made this very decision earlier today. Ordered the Valor.

Not a thing in the world wrong with the TRP, or SA (I love 'em)...it's a great gun...but I like the clean slide, no ambi, no magwell and ceramic coating of the DW.

give Crazy John a call, I think he's having a sale on Baers

He seems like the man. One of these days...I'm going to give that man a call. A Monolith is in the future.....I hope.

Comedian
01-26-2012, 20:34
I wasn't crazy about the FLGR in my TRP. It was a ***** to get that gun reassembled, after a field strip. The TRP was more accurate than my Ed Brown, though. It was a laser.

Travclem
01-26-2012, 20:42
I wasn't crazy about the FLGR in my TRP. It was a ***** to get that gun reassembled, after a field strip. The TRP was more accurate than my Ed Brown, though. It was a laser.
All of my Springers get Wilson 1 piece guide rods right off the bat.