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ADK_40GLKr
01-24-2012, 16:42
20 some years ago when I wanted a deer rifle, I found a used 760 in .308 in the newspaper, and had me a gun!

Today there's AK's, AR's, SBR's, Black Rifles, etc. Ad infinriflum. I've been thinking I'd like a woods-worthy semi a bit lighter than my .308, maybe like a Ruger ranch gun in .223. But when I look at the various rifle forums haven't a clue where to look.

Can anyone give me a crash course on popular contemporary Long guns, particularly pointing me to discussions on the Ruger Ranch Rifle?

smitty704
01-24-2012, 16:45
Watch Hickok45's video about the mini 14...

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej39umHaB08&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Dalton Wayne
01-24-2012, 16:54
If I had a ranch I would keep a 45/70 for a ranch gun most likely a single shot Sharps clone, that's my dream gun

Al Czervik
01-24-2012, 16:58
For me, an AR pistol with an EOTech fits the bill. It will do the job on what I need, is easy in/out of the vehicle, and has 30 rounds on tap.

STI
01-24-2012, 17:01
Well I own one and live there, My #1 rifle is a Marlin bolt action 22mag, synthetic stock and just a tool here, my next rifle would by my Rock River AR15, they both get lots of use, Glock 32 always goes with me. What I thought I would use changed as soon as I got involved in what works and what is impractical.

Adjuster
01-24-2012, 17:02
To me the perfect ranch gun would be an SKS. I would buy a closet full of them for all my ranch hands and hand them out when rustlers or wolves were up to no good. I would also make my ranch hands refer to me as Mr. Cartwright but thats another thread/topic/issue.



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collim1
01-24-2012, 17:08
I personally carry a shotgun or my bolt action .270 on the farm and at the hunting camp.

You say ranch gun, but what threat/pests are you concerned about having to deal with?

A scoped bolt action .243 or .270 is a darn handy little gun to have. It will kill a deer if the opportunity arises or kill a coyote lurking around the chicken house even at long range.

If worried about meth heads sneaking on your property for a cook (dont laugh, its a big concern in some areas) then I would lean toward a AR15 or Mini14 in .223 with a handgun on your person also. If the price is right the mini14 is a great deal, trouble is for the price I often see on them I would rather pay the extra $75 and get a AR.

I also think a pump shotgun with a variety of shells on hand is a pretty versatile gun. I'd keep Federal LE flite-control in the tube with some slugs and #4 shot on hand as well. The Federal load patterns well in my Mossberg and will still get 3-5 pellets on target at 40-50yds.

Heck if your truck is nearby it wouldn't be a big deal to have a pistol on your person, a AR, and shotgun in the truck.

Brucev
01-24-2012, 17:10
I don't own a ranch. But for 20 years I've thoroughly enjoyed using a M-1 Garand for deer hunting, varmint control, etc. IT is exceedingly effective in the extreme. I've never had a deer need a second shot. As to various sorts of feral dogs, etc., they get a dose of M-2 ball... works every time. If i were to ever own or live on a ranch, I think a M-1 Garand loaded with M-2 ball would handle just about any situation that might arise. JMHO. Sincerely. Brucev.

High Altitude
01-24-2012, 17:11
Come on guys, get with the times.

Ranch gun of the future.

http://www.mossberg.com/images/Mossberg_Guns/930/New/41026.gif

:supergrin:

collim1
01-24-2012, 17:12
I don't own a ranch. But for 20 years I've thoroughly enjoyed using a M-1 Garand for deer hunting, varmint control, etc. IT is exceedingly effective in the extreme. I've never had a deer need a second shot. As to various sorts of feral dogs, etc., they get a dose of M-2 ball... works every time. If i were to ever own or live on a ranch, I think a M-1 Garand loaded with M-2 ball would handle just about any situation that might arise. JMHO. Sincerely. Brucev.

Very nice choice. I have also seen alot of M1 carbines in the back window of the farm trucks.

Nestor
01-24-2012, 17:13
My understanding of the idea of the ranch carbine/rifle is that it's a super-utility rifle. Something that will take care of the coyotes, fox, occasional deer and still will be capable of providing HD firepower when needed. One rifle for all the task, so it must be simple and reliable as the weather changes with all the seasons. Then we have a personal preference factor - for me - anything black, tactical is just unappealing to say at least. For You it may be the other way around. Your carbine must be light, points naturally and have proven record of working under dusty conditions. I would say that the calibers (for the semi-auto) that fit your bill would be:
.223 (Ruger Mini 14)
30 Carbine (M1 Carbine)
7.62x39 (Ruger Mini 30 or SKS)
Take your time, look around, there is lot to learn about the ballistics, ergonomics and pointability of those guns. Good luck and keep us updated, please.

vafish
01-24-2012, 17:24
I'd get an AR15 in 6.8 SPC.

Rick O'Shay
01-24-2012, 17:32
My new "love" is a Remington Model 5 in .22 mag, with a Simmons .22mag scope 3-9X30.
I zeroed it last week, and it is quite awesome!
But ranch rifle? I guess I need to take my Mini-14 to the range and try it out. Have it in a synthetic folding stock and haven't ever fired it. Looks like big fun!

ADK_40GLKr
01-24-2012, 17:36
Thanks for all the quick input, though some of it was baffling. When I said "no clue", that means what the heck is EOTech, SKS, AR, AK, ETC.?

Yeah, looking for something versatile, light, maneuverable, good for 2 legged & 4 legged critters. We have coyote, deer, all kinds of paper, plastic and tin targets, and a maximum security correctional institution just a few miles away. (not so worried about those INSIDE, as what their visitors might do in their free time)

At one point I was thinking a Remington semi .243 might be the ticket, but I'm leaning more toward the Ruger at this point. Which of the various rifle forums on GT might include more discussion and comparisons of these platforms?

ratf51
01-24-2012, 17:50
If I had a ranch I would keep a 45/70 for a ranch gun most likely a single shot Sharps clone, that's my dream gun

You are so old school! :supergrin::rofl:

Rick O'Shay
01-24-2012, 17:55
Thanks for all the quick input, though some of it was baffling. When I said "no clue", that means what the heck is EOTech, SKS, AR, AK, ETC.?

Yeah, looking for something versatile, light, maneuverable, good for 2 legged & 4 legged critters. We have coyote, deer, all kinds of paper, plastic and tin targets, and a maximum security correctional institution just a few miles away. (not so worried about those INSIDE, as what their visitors might do in their free time)

At one point I was thinking a Remington semi .243 might be the ticket, but I'm leaning more toward the Ruger at this point. Which of the various rifle forums on GT might include more discussion and comparisons of these platforms?

The Ruger Mini-30 might be more to your liking, but the Mini-14 now has a very nice reputation.

Al Czervik
01-24-2012, 17:58
Where my ranch is located, the gun of choice for many years has been the .30-30. It does the job. I've used everything from a .30-30 to a nice .308 bolt gun, but most of the stuff I shoot is moving and in the 30-100 yard range.
The older I get, the more I like the ease and speed of a dot. One of the big things for me is the ability to get in and out of my vehicle without destroying the interior with the rifle, which I have done. I drive nice vehicles; so, I 'd rather keep them that way.
I live in a different state, so the AR pistol facilitates all of my needs in 1 weapon without having SBR issues, and I can keep it concealed and loaded.
We'll see how long it takes for the "it's useless" and "are you engaged in drive by shootings" comments.

vafish
01-24-2012, 18:11
Thanks for all the quick input, though some of it was baffling. When I said "no clue", that means what the heck is EOTech, SKS, AR, AK, ETC.?

Yeah, looking for something versatile, light, maneuverable, good for 2 legged & 4 legged critters. We have coyote, deer, all kinds of paper, plastic and tin targets, and a maximum security correctional institution just a few miles away. (not so worried about those INSIDE, as what their visitors might do in their free time)

At one point I was thinking a Remington semi .243 might be the ticket, but I'm leaning more toward the Ruger at this point. Which of the various rifle forums on GT might include more discussion and comparisons of these platforms?

EoTEch - A red dot sight. http://www.eotech-inc.com/

AR - Short for AR15, semi auto version of the M16. Now available in many calibers.http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/lgprod/61620.jpg

AK - Short for AK47, the Kalashnikov. 7.62x39 medium velocity round. Now also available in the AK-74 5.45x39
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/data/default/images/catalog/large/WWBP74.jpg

SKS is the precursor to the AK. Machined receiver, same 7.62x39 round, wood stock, no pistol grip, generally has a fixed magazine. http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Norinco_SKS.jpg

I think something like my AR15 would make a great ranch rifle.
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n75/vafish/utf-8BSU1BRzA0MjUuanBn.jpg
.25-223 custom barrel and a 1-4X Redfield scope.

jwhite75
01-24-2012, 18:41
To work around a ranch and light and handy....

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=270975014

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=270485909

On the upper and nicer end...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=270319680

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=270503896

Smashy
01-24-2012, 19:51
The most popular Mini14 forum around...

http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/ruger-mini-14-mini-30/

Bob Hafler
01-24-2012, 19:55
Mini 14 or a Marlin 30/30 lever action would be my two choices. I own both and enjoy both. Both are proven reliable designs.

TN.Frank
01-24-2012, 19:58
I'd figure that a good lever action 30/30 would work fine as a Ranch Rifle. Guess I'm "Old School" too.

Syclone538
01-24-2012, 21:25
Ok, you want a semiauto rifle that is big enough for deer, and smaller then your .308, and have almost no knowledge of rifles. Wikipedia is a good place to start. Around here 5.56 is too small for deer, so I'll skip anything like that.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rifle_cartridges[/url

The one's the immediately come to mind for me are,
AR in 6.5 Grendel, or 6.8 SPC
Mini 14 in 7.62x39, or 6.8SPC
AK in 7.62x39

.308 based round in a .308 based gun
DSA SA58 (FN FAL), PTR91 (HK 91), or AR10, in .243 W or .260 R.

And just because I want one myself, a Ruger deerfield in .44 Magnum.

Al Czervik
01-24-2012, 22:46
I look at it from this perspective. The times I've needed to put lead downrange right now, I've done it most effectively with a short weapon. The times I've had a long range, scoped rifle, I've been the least effective doing the job and banged up my weapon and vehicle. Yes, I am a clumsy fool.
But, we make different tools for different jobs, don't we?

Agent6-3/8
01-24-2012, 22:54
Not semi-auto and maybe more old school than you want, but what about a lever gun in .30/30 or .44Mag? Lightweight, quick handling and powerful.

bigcountry31987
01-24-2012, 23:29
Ruger makes a new rifle called the ruger scout rifle ....I believe its chambered in 308 not sure tho ....but it is small ....magazine fed its a real nice weapon IMO ..... hickok45 has a video on it

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jwhite75
01-25-2012, 06:57
I considered ^^^^ this but it is bolt action and the OP asked for semi.

CBennett
01-25-2012, 06:59
20 some years ago when I wanted a deer rifle, I found a used 760 in .308 in the newspaper, and had me a gun!

Today there's AK's, AR's, SBR's, Black Rifles, etc. Ad infinriflum. I've been thinking I'd like a woods-worthy semi a bit lighter than my .308, maybe like a Ruger ranch gun in .223. But when I look at the various rifle forums haven't a clue where to look.

Can anyone give me a crash course on popular contemporary Long guns, particularly pointing me to discussions on the Ruger Ranch Rifle?

How about the Ruger mini 30 instead? same round as the SkS and AK ...What ive been told(not a ballistics expert) was its essentially a small handy semi automatic 30-30 rifle.

OrangePwr9
01-25-2012, 17:08
I've got some property I jokingly call a ranch. Depending on which truck I'm driving when there, there will be either a 7.62x39 Saiga or a .223 Saiga behind the seat. They'll do the job on my property, they're inexpensive and you don't have to worry about scratching them.

Mostly they're used for bonking raccoons and other pests.

They're not always handy in the truck, however. Thinking about making scabbards for the tractors.

ratf51
01-25-2012, 19:19
Thinking about making scabbards for the tractors.

Why would you want to put a tractor in a scabbard? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Aceman
01-25-2012, 19:30
Funny - I'm looking hard at carbine length 7600's these days!

I'd go lever with 30-30 or 357

But, in semi, nothing wrong with the Mini.

Bill Keith
01-25-2012, 19:36
I'd like to suggest the CZ 527 Carbine. It is a .223 ( also comes in a 7.62 X39 version). I've had mine since 6/11 and bought it used with a Leupold Vari X 2X7 scope. It is a great, accurate rifle!

http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-527-carbine/

reeser
01-26-2012, 01:47
I vote that you stick with the tried and true 308 that's served you well just get a solid platform that can hold more rounds and shoot them faster! I would trust the Springfield m1a/m14, ar10, saiga 308, FAL, hk91/ cetme

All of these shoot the widely popular 308 and are super reliable. They also cover the spectrum of any budget from $400-$4000

seamaster
01-26-2012, 02:00
The mini 14 or mini 30 are ideal for what you describe.




Thanks for all the quick input, though some of it was baffling. When I said "no clue", that means what the heck is EOTech, SKS, AR, AK, ETC.?

Yeah, looking for something versatile, light, maneuverable, good for 2 legged & 4 legged critters. We have coyote, deer, all kinds of paper, plastic and tin targets, and a maximum security correctional institution just a few miles away. (not so worried about those INSIDE, as what their visitors might do in their free time)

At one point I was thinking a Remington semi .243 might be the ticket, but I'm leaning more toward the Ruger at this point. Which of the various rifle forums on GT might include more discussion and comparisons of these platforms?

Bob Hafler
01-26-2012, 05:57
Someone mentioned an M1 Garand
I love my M1 Garand but in reality it might be a good wolf or deer hunting rifle but a rifle for everyday ranch use? Like I said I love everything about the beast but for ranch use I'd much prefer something lighter and shorter to lug around while I'm working the ranch. That's where the 30/30 lever action shines plus it has bagged more deer than probably any rifle out there. Mini 14 if your thinking smaller but multipal rounds would be my choice. (especially the newer 580 series) with the beefed up barrels.
They can be gotten for decent money. My ranch Mini 14 580 only cost $529 new. Like I said I love the Garand and it's reliable mechanics, but it's little brother Ruger to the M14 isn't bad either. I'd have no problem with carrying a 5 round mag in it all day with a 20 rounder waiting if I worked on a ranch. Those two IMO would be a good choice because there,short, light, fairly inexpensive,and neither one has to be all that clean to be a reliable shooter.

mac66
01-26-2012, 07:12
I was thinking of responding to this until I looked and saw the OP is from New York. I think he is just trolling.

dewidmt
01-26-2012, 21:28
When I ran around the backwoods of Arizona or Idaho in my many travels, I had either an M1 carbine or a Trapper-length Winchester 94 30-30 tucked behind the front seat of the Jeep.

ADK_40GLKr
02-14-2012, 13:19
I was thinking of responding to this until I looked and saw the OP is from New York. I think he is just trolling.

TROLLING: That's what I do fishing for walleyes out on Lake Champlain.

I can only use a 5 round mag when hunting and know it's illegal to go over 10 for ANY purpose in the Empire State.

So far no one's talked me out of a Mini-14. Yeah, I'm old school and prefer something that looks like a hunting rifle, but could be used in an EOTWAWKI situation.

(BTW, where's BFE?)

cool avatar!

Quarter Tank
02-14-2012, 13:35
I think something like my AR15 would make a great ranch rifle.
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n75/vafish/utf-8BSU1BRzA0MjUuanBn.jpg
.25-223 custom barrel and a 1-4X Redfield scope.

what are the specs on this AR, upper and lower? thanks

bhk
02-14-2012, 14:33
Nothing wrong with a mini-14. I live in the boonies had keep a couple of guns handy for 'varmints and such.' I keep a M1 carbine leaning in a corner not far from the front door. It will handle coyotes and about any other varmint worth shooting. When busy coyote hunting for real (will be going to call coyotes in a few minutes, actually), my Remington R-15 is also handy.

Neither are great for deer or small game, but I have other rifles for them and don't need to be in a rush to get them. To me, a ranch/farm gun is one 'ready to go NOW!!.'

Syclone538
02-14-2012, 19:38
...

(BTW, where's BFE?)

cool avatar!

:rofl:

It basically means out in the middle of nowhere.

It's an acronym, that can not be posted here. If you really want to know, I'm sure urbandictionary.com would have a definition.

BulldawgGlock
02-15-2012, 08:41
For a good farm gun, I think the newer more accurate Ruger mini 14 fits the bill. I also don't think you can count out the timeless 30/30 marlin lever action.

Cmacc
02-15-2012, 10:21
I have an SKS and it would work well in this situation. I am interested in a modern version like the Ruger Mini-30. Either of these would work for the OP, but I really want (need?) a lever gun and would also be tempted to go with a .357 or .44Mag for the ability to cross over to a revolver. This is where I would go.

cloudbuster
02-15-2012, 11:10
I have a ranch, and all kinds of rifles, and, honestly, the rifle that gets actually used the most often is my semi-auto Remington 597 in .22 WMR. Just slapped some nothing-fancy scope on it and it's killer on the groundhogs. :)

The largest four-legged predator we have around here is coyotes and those are within the capacity of a .22WMR.

I find the characteristics I look for in a rifle I'd want to carry around are: light, durable, and compact. Also, not too expensive, so I don't feel bad when it gets scratched up. I think A lever-action 30-30, a Mini-14 or Mini-30 would be about perfect for larger calibers. The SKS pretty much meets those requirements as well, and I have two of those. The Norinco paratrooper model is especially handy. SKSes really aren't drop-safe however, so that's a drawback for a rifle that's liable to get banged around.

We're not allowed to hunt deer with modern rifles in Ohio. It's either bow, shotgun or muzzleloader. I have a Remington 870 with a smoothbore deer barrel but it's really for HD not hunting. I have a Knight Wolverine 209 .50 cal muzzle loader I got a while back for deer. It's sure fun to shoot, but I haven't gotten off my butt to hunt deer since I got it!

ETA: Another mark against the SKS is that it is impossible to carry in "condition 3" -- full mag, bolt closed on empty chamber. Either you walk around with A) the gun empty, B) loaded mag, bolt open, or C) round chambered, mag loaded, bolt closed.

A) is perfectly safe, if you're OK with just carrying a couple stripper clips and loading when you need to.

B) is problematic in rough country where a branch can snag the bolt handle at any time and slam the bolt home. SKSes are vulnerable to slam fires. You never want to close the bolt on an SKS without knowing it's pointed in a safe direction.

C) is problematic because, as I said, SKSes aren't drop safe. They have a heavy free-floating firing pin that is completely free to bang against the primer whenever the gun is dropped or jostled, and the "safety" is only a trigger block.

ETA2: How could I forget? I recently got a Kel-Tec SU-16c. It's cheap, light, super-compact, takes AR mags, has a cleaner-running action than an AR. It looks a bit "tactical" and I worry about its durability, but it's awful darn convenient.

ETA3: Solutions I've used to the SKS problems above 1) First round a snap cap. That way you can close the bolt, and with the snap-cap chambered, the rifle is safe. Just cycle the bolt to ready it. 2) Convert it to removable magazines (i hate them). You can, I think, close the bolt then insert the magazine (though I seem to remember this being difficult. Converted back to fixed mags many years ago and never looked back).

cloudbuster
02-15-2012, 11:15
I was thinking of responding to this until I looked and saw the OP is from New York. I think he is just trolling.

Understand that most of New York is not NYC. It's a big state with vast amounts of rugged wilderness. Small farms, mountains, hills, lake country. And many gun owners.

TxGun
02-15-2012, 11:23
You'll find discussions on the Ruger Mini-14 and Mini-30 at both sites below:

http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/

http://rugerforum.net/forums.php

Either will work well for what you are looking for, along with many of the other suggestions made above...M1 carbine, SKS, AR, AK, 30-30 lever...much of it is simply personal choice. All the suggestions are compact and reasonably easy to deal with inside a pick-up, which is important.

Syclone538
02-15-2012, 11:25
I have a ranch, and all kinds of rifles, and, honestly, the rifle that gets actually used the most often is my semi-auto Remington 597 in .22 WMR. Just slapped some nothing-fancy scope on it and it's killer on the groundhogs. :)
...

If you don't mind me asking, how much should one cost? I've been thinking about a semiauto 22 mag, or a pistol caliber carbine. Not sure which way to go.

cloudbuster
02-15-2012, 11:40
If you don't mind me asking, how much should one cost? I've been thinking about a semiauto 22 mag, or a pistol caliber carbine. Not sure which way to go.

Sorry, I've had mine for many years. Impact Guns lists the blued model (what I have) for $425. I'm sure mine was substantially less back in the dark ages when I bought it over a dozen years ago. I have no idea if that represents a competitive price. I'd check around the various online sellers and price shop.

It's a great small varmint rifle. Flat-shooting, stable, durable, negligible recoil. Fast follow-up shots. If you get a good solid head/neck/chest shot on a groundhog with a .22WMR, a follow-up shot isn't really necessary. They drop in their tracks.

My only pistol-caliber carbine is a 9mm Kel-Tec Sub 2000. Also very nice and compact, but probably not as precise as the 597. You can't really add decent optics to one.

I've been drooling over a Rossi Circuit Judge. Five rounds of .45 colt or .410.

Syclone538
02-15-2012, 20:02
Yeah a while ago, after seeing 597 22LRs advertised for $159, I planned on getting one in 22 mag, thinking they would be in the $200-250 range. Priced them at a local store that generally has good prices and was surprised to say the least. That made me think about getting a used Ruger carbine or a Beretta. Or the new Taurus, but I can't really find anything on it, not that I've tried too hard. Still haven't really decided what to get. Just looking for a cheap to shoot, semi, fun gun with more punch then .22LR. I don't need it for anything, so it's been easy to put off until later.

.22 Mag Pros
Trajectory, I assume

Pistol Caliber Carbine Pros
Not adding a caliber
Could be used for home defense

Price of ammo is close enough to not matter.

Teecher45
02-15-2012, 20:15
If you are really wanting an all purpose ranch rifle
Marlin 30/30. Mount a see through 3x9 and can use the irons for up close or scope for out there. Federal ammo $15 a box at Wal Mart.
If you are looking for a reason to buy something more "cool" then buy a Colt 6920 and get it over with. Very good AR. Cheap ammo and lot's of options, effective with the right ammo.
Springfield Armory M1A Scout Squad, best of both worlds.

collim1
02-16-2012, 05:58
I was thinking of responding to this until I looked and saw the OP is from New York. I think he is just trolling.

Lots of rural, open country in NY state.

mixflip
02-16-2012, 08:56
Here are my 2 ranch guns. All I need now is a ranch....

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i182/mixflip/Rugermini14tacticalangleview.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i182/mixflip/CIMG5655.jpg

cloudbuster
02-16-2012, 10:10
Price of ammo is close enough to not matter.

Not really. In my experience, premium .22WMR is usually about the same as or lower than bulk 9mm. It's one of the cheapest rounds you can shoot, short of .22LR.

cloudbuster
02-16-2012, 10:15
The nice thing about the lever action guns is the lack of the bolt handle sticking out the side -- that makes them easier to carry in a scabbard.

Rancher
02-16-2012, 15:01
I live on a ranch and still wonder what the heck is meant when folks say "ranch gun". I always carry when working but I am usually on a ATV so I don't have a rifle or shotgun with me so I usually have my G17 in a paddle holster at my side. I don't like my Sigs getting beat up plus they are way heavy compared to the Glock. We are on around 150 acres so it is not like I am out driving around in my truck a bunch.

Hey OP, would you let us know what restrictions you have there in NYS regarding magazine capicity in handguns, rifles, and shotguns?

I have killed more varmints than I can count with .22's. Usually a dog starts barking and it is a skunk, opossum, coon or armadillo getting a bit to close by the house. A shotgun also works real well especially in the dark. Very rare do we see yote's during the daylight here but they howl at night. They are not a problem for us, even now while we are calving.

I really don't like to shoot a high power rifle at small varmint, just a waste IMO. Nearest neighbor is about a mile in each direction so even if I do shoot it don't bother anybody but if your in a hurry and don't have your ears on it is LOUD. I have my choice of firearms here but seems like either a .22 or shotgun is what I need for varmint control.

HD is an entirely differnet subject to me. I prefer either my AR's, Mossberg 590 A1 with 8 plus 1 capacity, or my Benelli M2 that has a 4 round extension and sports an 18 inch barrel long as turkey season is not going on but we have no magazine capacity rules around here.

If you let us know your restriction I think it would help us give you some other choices. Real hard to beat a 12 ga. with 00 buckshot and a few slugs in a side saddle in case you got to reach out a bit.

Good luck with your search.

Rancher

cloudbuster
02-16-2012, 15:27
I live on a ranch and still wonder what the heck is meant when folks say "ranch gun". I always carry when working but I am usually on a ATV so I don't have a rifle or shotgun with me so I usually have my G17 in a paddle holster at my side. I don't like my Sigs getting beat up plus they are way heavy compared to the Glock. We are on around 150 acres so it is not like I am out driving around in my truck a bunch.

Hey OP, would you let us know what restrictions you have there in NYS regarding magazine capicity in handguns, rifles, and shotguns?

I have killed more varmints than I can count with .22's. Usually a dog starts barking and it is a skunk, opossum, coon or armadillo getting a bit to close by the house. A shotgun also works real well especially in the dark. Very rare do we see yote's during the daylight here but they howl at night. They are not a problem for us, even now while we are calving.

I really don't like to shoot a high power rifle at small varmint, just a waste IMO. Nearest neighbor is about a mile in each direction so even if I do shoot it don't bother anybody but if your in a hurry and don't have your ears on it is LOUD. I have my choice of firearms here but seems like either a .22 or shotgun is what I need for varmint control.

HD is an entirely differnet subject to me. I prefer either my AR's, Mossberg 590 A1 with 8 plus 1 capacity, or my Benelli M2 that has a 4 round extension and sports an 18 inch barrel long as turkey season is not going on but we have no magazine capacity rules around here.

If you let us know your restriction I think it would help us give you some other choices. Real hard to beat a 12 ga. with 00 buckshot and a few slugs in a side saddle in case you got to reach out a bit.

Good luck with your search.

Rancher

Yep, that's pretty much what I was saying. I've never shot anything on my property that needed anything other than a .22 or 12 gauge. Even my .22WMR is probably overkill. I've got a really sweet BL-22 (Browning short stroke lever action .22LR) that I'd probably use more if it wasn't in such beautiful condition and I don't want it scratched up. I've used my little M6 Scout .22/.410 on groundhogs, too.

When I'm out, I usually don't carry a rifle, either. It's usually my G26 or my LCR .357 either in my FIST owb holsters or my Wilderness Safepacker if it's going to be really sweaty, dirty work. Sometimes I carry my Heritage Rough Rider .22LR/.22WMR revolver.

I take the 597 when I'm specifically going out to shoot groundhogs. Late afternoons, when the pastures are mowed short, they sit by their holes. You just sit yourself down about 50 yards away, pick one off, and look for the next one. :)

Very rarely, we'll get a black bear up here. Never caught a glimpse of one myself, and I'd be really surprised if I ever had to shoot one. They're generally pretty shy and don't cause trouble.

If I was going to have only two long guns, I'd probably pick a .22 lever or semi auto and a 12 gauge pump.

TrueGunNut
02-16-2012, 17:31
Hmmm....

Well, what caliber do you want this "ranch" or "knock around" gun to be in? Figure that out first and it may be easier to narrow the search.

If I didn't have a 7.62 ak47 and a 5.56 ar15 already, and needed one do it all ranch gun it would be a SBR ar15 chambered in .300 blackout with a suppressor. The blackout is a round with ballistics like 762x39 and has good subsonic loads too.

You'd be looking at something versatile right thur but still has all that tacti-cool toy appeal! :tongueout:

Black Smoke Trail
02-16-2012, 20:52
20 some years ago when I wanted a deer rifle, I found a used 760 in .308 in the newspaper, and had me a gun!

Today there's AK's, AR's, SBR's, Black Rifles, etc. Ad infinriflum. I've been thinking I'd like a woods-worthy semi a bit lighter than my .308, maybe like a Ruger ranch gun in .223. But when I look at the various rifle forums haven't a clue where to look.

Can anyone give me a crash course on popular contemporary Long guns, particularly pointing me to discussions on the Ruger Ranch Rifle?

When you say "ranch" how big of a place are you talking about?

The Mini 14 and Mini 30 are great little rifles but without major modification, they are not real accurate beyond 100 yards but have their place. They would probably be OK out to 200 yards if your do your part. 400 yards and beyond is REALLY going to be a challenge.

cloudbuster
02-17-2012, 00:33
Hmmm....

Well, what caliber do you want this "ranch" or "knock around" gun to be in? Figure that out first and it may be easier to narrow the search.

If I didn't have a 7.62 ak47 and a 5.56 ar15 already, and needed one do it all ranch gun it would be a SBR ar15 chambered in .300 blackout with a suppressor. The blackout is a round with ballistics like 762x39 and has good subsonic loads too.

You'd be looking at something versatile right thur but still has all that tacti-cool toy appeal! :tongueout:

Doesn't seem smart to make your go-to utility rifle chamber an expensive, oddball hard-to-find cartridge.

mac66
02-17-2012, 08:07
I apologize to the OP for the "trolling" comment. I do think he is shining us on a bit.

My "ranch" is 52 acres. My "ranch" rifle is a Marlin 795 .22lr w/tech sights.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/105_8645.jpg

It holds 5 loaded extra mags (50 rounds) + 50 extra rounds plus survival stuff in the buttstock.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/7955.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/105_8589.jpg

Stock is wrapped in 25' of paracord over about 10 feet of duct tape. Even have some fishing gear in it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/105_8638.jpg

cloudbuster
02-17-2012, 09:45
My "ranch" rifle is a Marlin 795 .22lr w/tech sights.

There ya go. A simple, durable no-nonsense rifle that you can shoot all day for the price of a movie. And you won't be kicking yourself if you drop it on a rock. :)

ADK_40GLKr
03-10-2012, 18:07
Hey OP, would you let us know what restrictions you have there in NYS regarding magazine capicity in handguns, rifles, and shotguns?


Hunting, the maximum in the woods is 5 cartridges, unless it's a handgun.

Legal Maximum for any magazine is 10 rounds unless it's "pre-ban". Otherwise, it's an "Assault Weapon."

I don't live on a ranch, but have a lot of woodland around and got a deer a couple years ago within 200 yards of my house. (NOT a 200 yard shot though)

Thought today would be a good day to reply to you all and thank you for all your input and suggestions.

At an "outdoor show" today (AKA "Gun Show") I picked up a 1981 vintage "Ranch Rifle" or "Mini 14". Pristine condition, for $550.

It was still in its old beat up box. If I'm to believe the guy that sold it to me, he'd gotten it from the estate of an old fella that had bought it new, shot it once or twice and then stuck it back in the box and buried it in his closet. It wasn't re-discovered until after his death.

Lest I get dinged for "NO-Photo", here she is:

(And seriously, Mac66, I'd like to know which Glock Talk forum is most closely related to this type of gun.)

adamg01
03-10-2012, 18:16
The Ruger might fit your needs but I have never been crazy about them. I would probably go with a Rock River Ar15 over the Mini. I am a die-hard Ak man but it seems like the Ar15 will fit your needs a little better.

ADK_40GLKr
03-10-2012, 18:54
:rofl:

It basically means out in the middle of nowhere.

It's an acronym, that can not be posted here. If you really want to know, I'm sure urbandictionary.com would have a definition.

OK, yeah, East BF, just down the road from me.

ithaca_deerslayer
03-10-2012, 19:02
Understand that most of New York is not NYC. It's a big state with vast amounts of rugged wilderness. Small farms, mountains, hills, lake country. And many gun owners.

No, the entire state is New York City and we are all anti-gun and vegan.

ithaca_deerslayer
03-10-2012, 20:11
Congrats on your mini-14!

chevy01234
03-10-2012, 21:22
I have a large farm and ALWAYS have a rifle and/or shotgun in my truck when i'm out there. Right now I have a Marlin 917 and a 410 Snake Tamer. Most of the time it is a 44 mag Ruger Carbine and the 410. I also keep a 22 pistol in there most of the time. A lot of my guns are used as "Farm guns" to take care of critters though, if I am going to be around the farm to deer hunt or look for pigs, I may throw in a bolt gun, going for fun may be an AR, there is always something though!

What is usually in there though

Ruger 44 Mag Carbine
http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab170/Aquatic-Restoration/2012-01-15132853.jpg

http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab170/Aquatic-Restoration/2011-11-18_18-52-37_336.jpg

Reb 56
03-10-2012, 22:14
If you live on a ranch it's almost a requirment to own a Winchester 94 in 30.30.

Veedubklown
03-11-2012, 04:25
SKS is the precursor to the AK. Machined receiver, same 7.62x39 round, wood stock, no pistol grip, generally has a fixed magazine. http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Norinco_SKS.jpg


Whadaya mean, no pistol grip? I feel my SKS would make a fine "ranch rifle". 7.62x39 is similar baliscly to 30-30, cheap ammo, semi auto. Can be had for <$300. Awesome. V Porn V

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/246819_10150629739930374_738740373_18879990_4678067_n.jpg

cloudbuster
03-11-2012, 08:25
Whadaya mean, no pistol grip? I feel my SKS would make a fine "ranch rifle". 7.62x39 is similar baliscly to 30-30, cheap ammo, semi auto. Can be had for <$300. Awesome. V Porn V



The SKS is OK, but less than optimal because there are few ways to carry one that are drop safe. The heavy, tapered free-floating firing pin makes it extremely susceptible to drop fires and slam fires.

Rancher
03-11-2012, 09:05
If you live on a ranch it's almost a requirment to own a Winchester 94 in 30.30.

Does my 1952 Marlin 336 RC Count? It has become a safe queen. Been in the family for years. My FIL and his brothers all took their first deer with it and so did my son when he was around 10, open sights as well!

Neat gun but it stays in a safe.

If I had hogs (they are comin') around here I'd carry a rifle more often. Think someone mentioned they had them.

Rancher

Rancher
03-11-2012, 09:09
Hunting, the maximum in the woods is 5 cartridges, unless it's a handgun.

Legal Maximum for any magazine is 10 rounds unless it's "pre-ban". Otherwise, it's an "Assault Weapon."

I don't live on a ranch, but have a lot of woodland around and got a deer a couple years ago within 200 yards of my house. (NOT a 200 yard shot though)

Thought today would be a good day to reply to you all and thank you for all your input and suggestions.

At an "outdoor show" today (AKA "Gun Show") I picked up a 1981 vintage "Ranch Rifle" or "Mini 14". Pristine condition, for $550.

It was still in its old beat up box. If I'm to believe the guy that sold it to me, he'd gotten it from the estate of an old fella that had bought it new, shot it once or twice and then stuck it back in the box and buried it in his closet. It wasn't re-discovered until after his death.

Lest I get dinged for "NO-Photo", here she is:

(And seriously, Mac66, I'd like to know which Glock Talk forum is most closely related to this type of gun.)

Sounds like you got what you were wanting. So glad for you! Have fun with it and sorry about the restrictions you are forced to deal with. Guess ya' better stock up on some extra magazines and ammo now!!

Rancher

ADK_40GLKr
03-11-2012, 13:00
Ruger 44 Mag Carbine
http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab170/Aquatic-Restoration/2012-01-15132853.jpg
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What is THAT THING?!? A Mississippi Mud Rat?

As for the .44 I got mighty distracted by the one sitting right by the Mini 14, but the .223 was what I'd been looking for!

chevy01234
03-11-2012, 13:32
What is THAT THING?!? A Mississippi Mud Rat?

As for the .44 I got mighty distracted by the one sitting right by the Mini 14, but the .223 was what I'd been looking for!

Nutria rat! What was the price on the 44 carbine if you don't mind me asking?

My brake/lake at the farm is loaded with them! I have some more "colorful" pictures from the 44 mag but they may be a little graphic for some so I won't post them! I will say the exit wounds are impressive!

http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab170/Aquatic-Restoration/nutriarat.jpg

http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab170/Aquatic-Restoration/2012-03-05_17.jpg

Veedubklown
03-11-2012, 13:57
The SKS is OK, but less than optimal because there are few ways to carry one that are drop safe. The heavy, tapered free-floating firing pin makes it extremely susceptible to drop fires and slam fires.

That's not a problem with the rifle, but with the manufacturing. The sear engagement surface needs to be inspected for engagement, but that's the same with any SKS, before you take it to the range. There's aftermarket kits for the SKS, to have a spring-loaded firing pin, like they did originally. They can be safe.

ADK_40GLKr
03-12-2012, 18:29
Nutria rat! What was the price on the 44 carbine if you don't mind me asking?


He was asking $625 for the .44magnum and $595 for the Mini. Around here, that's the cheapest I've seen.
(but he came down $45 on the price of the .223.)

ithaca_deerslayer
03-13-2012, 11:29
ADK, you get a chance to shoot that mini-14 yet? If so, how'd it go for ya?

chevy01234
03-13-2012, 18:23
He was asking $625 for the .44magnum and $595 for the Mini. Around here, that's the cheapest I've seen.
(but he came down $45 on the price of the .223.)

I paid a couple hundred less for mine, it wasn't in "great" condition but is awesome as a truck gun. I am looking for a "primo" one to put in the safe if I ever have a son! They are pretty hard to get around here!

kmrcstintn
03-13-2012, 18:34
first choice is my Ruger Mini-14; second choice is my dad's Remington 760 in .30-06 (he willed it to me after he passed) with Remington Manged Recoil 125gr soft point ammo

ADK_40GLKr
03-15-2012, 10:25
ADK, you get a chance to shoot that mini-14 yet? If so, how'd it go for ya?

Went up to the range Monday. Fired off a box (20) of cheap stuff at a 50 yard target. (The range still has about a foot of snow that's deteriorating into mud.) I'm still getting used to the peep & post (?) sighting system, but was surprised I could put all 20 rounds into a 5" paper plate. I never was very good with open sights.

As far as recoil, almost none. The front sight jumped a bit off target, but I couldn't feel any kick to speak of.

Next trip I'll see how I can do with a little more stable rest at 100 yards, if I can get through the muck.

Ejects all landed 5' ahead at 12:00.

ithaca_deerslayer
03-15-2012, 16:05
ADK, sounds like you found a keeper!

ADK_40GLKr
03-24-2012, 13:13
With "peep" sight I put a 5 shot cluster about 5" to the left of the center of the small paper plate.

I brought the gun home and moved the rear sight 4 clicks to the right. We'll see if I can hit better next trip. (1 click = 1" @ 100 yards.)

My problem is seeing the sight picture, as I can't seem to get either the front sight OR the target in focus at that distance.

My Winchester Rifle Rest from Wally World held it pretty steady, though. sure would hate to ruin the gun with a scope!

ADK_40GLKr
03-27-2012, 14:16
. I've been thinking I'd like a woods-worthy semi a bit lighter than my .308, maybe like a Ruger ranch gun in .223.

In my " newbie-ness" I was equating a Ruger Mini14 with a Ruger Ranch Rifle. I have since learned there may be a difference, but am still not sure what?

http://www.ruger.com/products/mini14RanchRifle/models.html

This is pretty much what I ended up getting except it's older (in the 182 series) and only has a 5 round mag.


BTW, I still do not live on a Ranch! :tongueout:

ithaca_deerslayer
03-27-2012, 14:58
Last I knew the "ranch" version was different in that it could easily mount a scope. Not looking it up, and not knowing, but going from pure vague memory, doesn't it have the scalloped shaped indents on the receiver similar to the Super Redhawk?

/ignorance