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gtoglocker
01-26-2012, 20:16
Has anybody ever had any negative reactions with your CCW endorsment on your Drivers License as opposed to a Non-Driver ID.

For example at Wal-mart buying bullets or adult beverages?

I'm thinking that having the endorsment you could get hassled in a place that has signs prohibiting firearms. (Not that walmart does, just in general)

In my state these signs hold no legal weight. If they ask you to leave, you simply leave. No harm no foul.

Discuss.

mingaa
01-26-2012, 20:24
I carry a second state ID. I only talk CCW with a few trusted friends and direct family. It's nothing I choose to advertise. In my state we are not required to reveal CCW on a LEO encounter. They know if they run my plate. I am fully LEO friendly and respectful - that's my starting place. That's my approach.

gtoglocker
01-26-2012, 21:12
I'm from Missouri also.

Caver 60
01-26-2012, 21:36
I don't want to be asked to leave. Separate card for me. So I've never had the problem you ask about.

I show only DL when check cashing, etc. Plan to use both cards if I ever have an LEO encounter.

ETA All my 'carry' friends that I know, also use two cards.

Folsom_Prison
01-26-2012, 21:53
I believe that when Kansas first started issuing permits, they only put it on your actual DL. Now you have a separate CHL card.

kensteele
01-26-2012, 21:56
In my state, next door to yours, I believe we have eliminated the same-card option and it is no longer available. I didn't care for it. I don't mind being confronted by business owners since the answer is simple, just comply. What I would mind is business owners who choose not to say anyting to you and simply call the police without you knowning and let them make contact with you when you walk out the door (probably a rare situation but not impossible). When someone calls the police on you (for whatever reason), the police will/can detain you and it starts from there.

kensteele
01-26-2012, 21:57
I believe that when Kansas first started issuing permits, they only put it on your actual DL. Now you have a separate CHL card.

I got my permit on day one and it was always an option to have separate. But I think you are correct, no option today, separate only.

Reswob
01-26-2012, 21:58
What state is your cwp an endorsement on your DL? Here we get a piece of paper (looks like a business card but flimsier, no picture on it so it's useless as a form of ID).

gtoglocker
01-26-2012, 22:44
In Missouri you can get the endorsement directly on you drivers license or on a non-driver ID which is exactly like your DL but has NON-DRIVER written across it diagonal. both have your picture and info. on them.

xmanhockey7
01-26-2012, 23:14
Don't have it in my state. Did see a friend of mine use his CPL as proof he was old enough to drink when we went to a restaurant. Girl didn't have any issues with it except she couldn't find the DOB on it. Told her you have to be 21 to get the license and she just handed it back to him and brought him his drink. No he was not carrying and drinking.

failsafe
01-27-2012, 04:24
You have to renew your CCW every 3 years..It only makes sense to get the endorsement on a MO ID..Seems like that the cost is 11 bucks..
If you put it on your MO DR Lic which is good for 5 years, you loose 2 years because you have to renew your CCW endorsement after 3 ..Plus, your DR Lic expires on your birthday, you may loose some time on your 3 year CCW endorsement..
The MO ID and the MO Dr Lic are the same sizeand are very similar..The DR Lic has a blue backround, the ID has a red backround and non driver in red letters diagonally on the front...

The majority of CCW holders choose the ID...

Glockworks
01-27-2012, 04:32
What state is your cwp an endorsement on your DL? Here we get a piece of paper (looks like a business card but flimsier, no picture on it so it's useless as a form of ID).
One thing it does do though is allow you to buy more than one handgun within a 30 day period if you want to. I laminate mine, as the way they give it to us, it will not last 5 years in my wallet if I don't laminate it.

Bren
01-27-2012, 04:48
You guys must have a lot of off-limits places. Except places that are off limits by alw, like police stations and jails and bars, I haven't seen a sign prohibiting guns in Kentucky since some time in the 90's. I literally do not know of a single business in any of our larger cities that prohibits CCW.

Misty02
01-27-2012, 05:53
You guys must have a lot of off-limits places. Except places that are off limits by alw, like police stations and jails and bars, I haven't seen a sign prohibiting guns in Kentucky since some time in the 90's. I literally do not know of a single business in any of our larger cities that prohibits CCW.

Toys R Us in KY is firearm friendly?

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oldsoldier
01-27-2012, 06:22
MO ID. No one needs to know I might be carrying except me. The law changed in Aug 2011 and the ID card is only good for 3 years if you have the CCW endorsement. Note that the fee is reduced since the card cannot run full term.

From MO.GOV:
When you apply for a nondriver license (identification card) with a CCW endorsement, you will be charged $5.50 ($3.00 transaction fee and $2.50 processing fee). The expiration date of the nondriver license will be equal to the expiration date of the CCW endorsement (typically three years with a new or renewal Certificate of Qualification).

Caver 60
01-27-2012, 08:13
You guys must have a lot of off-limits places. Except places that are off limits by alw, like police stations and jails and bars, I haven't seen a sign prohibiting guns in Kentucky since some time in the 90's. I literally do not know of a single business in any of our larger cities that prohibits CCW.

Don't know about KY, but in Tennessee I've seen a lot of them in the places I visit. Not too many here in Missouri, but even in my small town I know where two are. Those places don't get my business.

Bren
01-27-2012, 09:11
Toys R Us in KY is firearm friendly?

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I don't go to Toys R Us, so if they have a sign I wouldn't know.

drobs
01-27-2012, 13:47
Also in MO - 2 Cards. DL & CCW on state ID.

There is a good chance you will need to drive through Illinois at some point. If you get stopped for speeding it's best in Illinois to not mention firearms to the police officer.

There is no CCW in Illinois. Illinois is not able to tell if you have a CCW license, they can not pull it up on their computer system. It means nothing to them but could lead to harassment.

Your gun should be cased and unloaded if you are traveling through IL.
Best bet is to avoid IL altogether.

Handing the Illinois State Police officer your DL with CCW in the top right corner is not going to help you with the ticket. Most likely will result in your car getting searched and the traffic stop taking longer than necessary.

Caver 60
01-27-2012, 18:20
Good thought drobs.

But when the officer verifies that your MO DL is valid, is MO going to tell the officer about the CCW part of it??? I don't know the answer, but I sure would like to know, since I travel across (stopping only for traffic control devices) Illinois several times a year.

I always lock my unloaded pistol up in a lock box and lock the ammo up in a separate lock box prior to entering the state and reload after exiting the state.

But I'd sure like to know if the CCW info is going to come back if the officer runs my license. If it's going to come back, I'll take my chances handing over both documents. If It's not going to come back, then I'll only hand over the DL.

Anybody out there know the answer for sure?

sciolist
01-27-2012, 19:43
We have a separate card in OR. I would definitely not want a CHL endorsement on my ODL if that were an option.

I have no problem with cops running my tag and seeing the CHL - actually prefer it that way, but there are certainly situations where I'd want to keep the two separate.

It is after all a concealed handgun license.

redbaron007
01-27-2012, 19:52
Separate card for me here in MO.

I don't care for unknown individuals to know I may or may not be CCW. It doesn't bother me when I'm Ocing! :supergrin:

:wavey:

red

gtoglocker
01-27-2012, 20:14
I guess it is unanamous and you all offer compelling arguments. I'll go ahead and get the endorsment on a non-driver ID

unit1069
01-27-2012, 21:13
Has anybody ever had any negative reactions with your CCW endorsment on your Drivers License as opposed to a Non-Driver ID.

The state where I reside has an option of having the CCW designation on the driver's license or a duplicate CCW care that looks like a driver's license. I always opt for the duplicate card as it's nobody's business whether or not I CCW a firearm.

drobs
01-28-2012, 09:16
Good thought drobs.

But when the officer verifies that your MO DL is valid, is MO going to tell the officer about the CCW part of it??? I don't know the answer, but I sure would like to know, since I travel across (stopping only for traffic control devices) Illinois several times a year.

I always lock my unloaded pistol up in a lock box and lock the ammo up in a separate lock box prior to entering the state and reload after exiting the state.

But I'd sure like to know if the CCW info is going to come back if the officer runs my license. If it's going to come back, I'll take my chances handing over both documents. If It's not going to come back, then I'll only hand over the DL.

Anybody out there know the answer for sure?

Thread of mine from another board:
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=8&f=23&t=464089

I would not recommend the console carry mentioned in the thread.
Couple IL LE chimed in, seems if it's tied to your DL it will come up. Doesn't completely answer the question though.

ATW525
01-28-2012, 09:33
Interesting thread. If having my CCW endorsement on my license was an option here, I'd probably take it. Of course it's extremely rare anybody sees my license, unless they're range staff or an FFL dealer.

Personally though, I'd rather have constitutional carry with special licenses for prohibited persons. However, I'm sure that some bleeding heart types would complain that special "felon IDs" would be unfair to convicted rapists or some such...

Caver 60
01-28-2012, 10:37
Thread of mine from another board:
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=8&f=23&t=464089

I would not recommend the console carry mentioned in the thread.
Couple IL LE chimed in, seems if it's tied to your DL it will come up. Doesn't completely answer the question though.

Interesting reading. Thanks. Like you said it still doesn't 100% clarify things.

I don't know if my MO CCW is tied to my license plate. What if my wife or son or a friend was driving the vehicle?

But I know the number on my DL and my separate CCW permit are exactly the same. I also know it's entered in MULES (I think that stands for Missouri Uniform Law Enforcement System, or something like that.) I watched the deputy type it into the system when I last renewed my permit. And the drivers license office checked the MULES system before they made the new permit, even though I had the piece of paper that the sheriff's office had just given me.

Some of the responders in your thread seemed to think that if the DL/CCW were tied together in the MO data base, the CCW info would come up on a out of state DL check. Still like to know for sure.

If they are tied together, and come back to an out of state officer (i.e. Illinois) , then the officer is probably going to start asking questions anyway. This could also lead to all the consequences that people mention, like searches, etc.

If I knew that info wouldn't come up, I'd only hand over the DL and keep the CCW info to myself. Like I said, my pistol and ammo are going to be locked in two separate steel lockboxes anyway when I'm driving non stop across that fine state.

tnlprt
01-28-2012, 12:23
If you have a Mo drivers license and you have CCW on your drivers license and your drivers license is suspended your CCW is also suspended
If you have your CCW on a seperate ID issued by the state and your DL is suspended
Your CCW is still valid

failsafe
01-28-2012, 12:26
On the oposite side of that, if your CCW is suspended or revoked, you must surrender your CCW endorsed Dr Lic..Then get a new one...

redbaron007
01-28-2012, 13:36
Interesting reading. Thanks. Like you said it still doesn't 100% clarify things.

I don't know if my MO CCW is tied to my license plate. What if my wife or son or a friend was driving the vehicle?

But I know the number on my DL and my separate CCW permit are exactly the same. I also know it's entered in MULES (I think that stands for Missouri Uniform Law Enforcement System, or something like that.) I watched the deputy type it into the system when I last renewed my permit. And the drivers license office checked the MULES system before they made the new permit, even though I had the piece of paper that the sheriff's office had just given me.

Some of the responders in your thread seemed to think that if the DL/CCW were tied together in the MO data base, the CCW info would come up on a out of state DL check. Still like to know for sure.

If they are tied together, and come back to an out of state officer (i.e. Illinois) , then the officer is probably going to start asking questions anyway. This could also lead to all the consequences that people mention, like searches, etc.

If I knew that info wouldn't come up, I'd only hand over the DL and keep the CCW info to myself. Like I said, my pistol and ammo are going to be locked in two separate steel lockboxes anyway when I'm driving non stop across that fine state.

As to your question about your CCW being tied to your car tags; they are not, this was one of the concerns you stated. Your driver's license is the number it is tied to.

As for the other states, I don't believe (LEOs chime in) when another state runs your DL it access your state's data, subsequently they see immediately you are a CCW holder; I believe it does access MULES for outstanding warrants and such. I may be off a little here, but shouldn't be too far off. Please, any LEOs with knowledge, please chime in.

:wavey:

red

Caver 60
01-28-2012, 23:10
As for the other states, I don't believe (LEOs chime in) when another state runs your DL it access your state's data, subsequently they see immediately you are a CCW holder;

:wavey:

red

Not quite sure what this statement means?

Are you saying you think they DO or DON'T see your CCW holder status, when another state runs your MO Drivers License?

I'm sure they do at least check for warrants, convictions, valid drivers license, etc.

jeffyjeff
01-29-2012, 23:35
we have separate ids here, no connection to drivers license/car registration at all thankfully.

the only way a cop is going to know if i have a permit is if i tell him and that's the way i like it.

redbaron007
01-30-2012, 13:52
Not quite sure what this statement means?

Are you saying you think they DO or DON'T see your CCW holder status, when another state runs your MO Drivers License?

I'm sure they do at least check for warrants, convictions, valid drivers license, etc.

Sorry for not making a lot of sense. What I meant to say was I don't think when another state runs your MO DL, your CCW shows up. I feel confident saying they do check for warrants, convictions, validity too. In addition, I was also asking if there were any LEOs who wanted to chime in, please do so.

:wavey:

red