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DeepBlue
01-27-2012, 14:03
I ordered a Remington 700 SPS AAC-SD today.
Which scope, rings, base combo would you recommend to go with it?
I’ll be shooting from 100-600 yards.
Thanks…

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-700/model-700-sps-tactical-aac-sd.aspx

ZekerMan
01-27-2012, 14:09
If price does not matter get a Leupold of your choice, or Nikon if budget minded but still getting a fine scope

glockaviator
01-27-2012, 14:17
For shooting long range you will want to be able to adjust the verticle turret to compensate for bullet drop over the distance you shoot. So choose a scope that has an adjustable turret.

What is your price range?

whitebread
01-27-2012, 14:22
In addition to adjustable, exposed turrets, make sure you have a side parallax knob. The ones where you have to spin the eyepiece are a huge PITA. It is also smart to pay the price now and get a FFP if you are going to get serious about shooting 400+ yards.

DeepBlue
01-27-2012, 14:23
Around 1k...

glockaviator
01-27-2012, 14:26
This is a good sniper scope in that price range:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/411481/vortex-viper-pst-rifle-scope-30mm-tube-6-24x-50mm-side-focus-first-focal-plane-illuminated-ebr-1-moa-reticle-matte

porkchop817
01-27-2012, 14:29
How much are you wanting to spend? That is the first question.

If money is no object you can get some amazing scopes, but they will cost $1500 on up to however many thousands you are willing to part with.

Nightforce, US Optics, Schmidt & Bender, etc are some of the Elite scopes.

Check out http://www.snipercentral.com/scopereviews.htm

427
01-27-2012, 14:37
I have VS SF in .308 and have a Super Sniper 10x42. It does everything I need it to.

muscles
01-27-2012, 14:38
sdfdsa

hogfish
01-27-2012, 15:08
This is a good sniper scope in that price range:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/411481/vortex-viper-pst-rifle-scope-30mm-tube-6-24x-50mm-side-focus-first-focal-plane-illuminated-ebr-1-moa-reticle-matte

Isn't there an issue with first focal plane scopes, where the reticle remains the same width while going to higher magnification? Something about a 1 MOA, for example, 'growing' relative to the object observed. :dunno:

Bruce M
01-27-2012, 18:29
Maybe a Leica.

1time
01-27-2012, 18:38
Vortex Viper PST. You can get them in FFP or SFP and MOA or Mrad. The reticle makes it easy to range and the scope is illuminated. They track well, and have great customer service if you have a problem with them. I am thrilled with mine. I have a 4-16 FFP and have a 6-24 FFP backordered.

D3S3RT_P3NGU1N
01-27-2012, 19:01
Isn't there an issue with first focal plane scopes, where the reticle remains the same width while going to higher magnification? Something about a 1 MOA, for example, 'growing' relative to the object observed. :dunno:

It isn't an "issue", its supposed to be that way and with good reason. Because the reticle appears to change size as you change the level of magnification it means that you can use your reticle effectively at any magnification setting. With a second focal plane optic your reticle is only useful at a single power setting.

I posted this explanation of the versatility of an FFP mil/mil optic in another thread


Some examples of how much easier an FFP mil/mil optic makes shooting:

Say you're shooting your rifle at a target at an unknown distance using an FFP mil/mil scope. You fire your first shot and you see through your reticle that your first shot was about 1.2 mils low and .5 mils left according to the markings on your reticle. Now because your turret matches your reticle, just dial in 12 clicks elevation and 5 windage (0.1 mils per click) and you're right on.

If you know the size of your target, you can use your reticle to very quickly and accurately calculate the range of your target before you take a shot. Say you know your target is 36" tall. On your reticle you see that it takes up 2.5 mils. Knowing that 1 mil equals 1/1000th of the distance you're shooting, you can work out the range with simple calculations. Since 36" = 1 yard, and you know that at 1000 yards a 1 yard tall target will take up 1 mil, you can go ahead and divide 1000 by 2.5 which gives you 400 yards.

If you're shooting at say 600 yards and you didn't see the impact but your buddy tells your shot was off by about 9 inches and you want to correct this. In your head you know that a mil is 1/1000th of 600 yards, or .6 of a yard. Knowing a yard is 36 inches, you work out that .6 of a yard is 21.6 inches (I do this by dividing 36 in half to get .5 of a mil or 18 inches, then adding on 3.6 inches for the extra .1 of a mil to make .6, but you can get here lots of ways). Dividing 21.6 by 10 gives you 2.16 inches, which is what each of your .1 mil clicks will equal at this distance. You proceed to dial in .4 mils to bring you to within .4 of an inch of the correction, which is well within the shooter and spotter margin of error.


Now that isn't to say that SFP scopes don't have their uses, if you're shooting benchrest or ELR you want as fine a reticle as possible to maximize your view of the target and your precision, but for almost any other type shooting FFP is the way to go.

Making sure that your turrets match your reticle is also key. Personally I prefer mils (also known as mrads) because it makes the math involved very simple and easy to do quickly in your head.

As for what optic to choose, there are lots of solid choices out there in the $1000 price range. This would be my choice

http://swfa.com/Vortex-6-24x50-Viper-PST-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P44559.aspx

However, there is another even better option if you're willing to look around. A few months back there was a huge group buy over on snipershide for the SWFA SS HD 5-20x50mm where it went for $1000 ($500 off the usual price). They are fantastic scopes, I bought one for my nephew to use on his first precision rifle (also a 700 AAC-SD). Its no S&B or USO, but it is by far the best $1000 optic I have ever used. You can find them for around the $1100 range NIB or LNIB over on the snipershide for sale forum pretty easily.

Scope at SWFA

http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-5-20x50-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P51642.aspx

Optics for sale at Snipershide

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=21&page=1

Review of the SS HD 5-20x50mm

SWFA SS HD 5-20X - YouTube

SSHD 5-20x Production Model Review - YouTube

M1A Shooter
01-28-2012, 00:11
i have the same rifle and currently run a millett trs-1 on it with weaver rings and a 20moa base. it was the cheapest i felt ok with at the time. it has been fine and shoots well but if i had my choice, i would run Seekins rings and a 20moa base with a vortex Viper PST which is the top of what i feel comfortable spending. if money were no object, i would still run the seekins rings and base but upgrade to either a vortex razor hd 5-20x or a nightforce 5.5-22x.

i would also recommend talking to and ordering from Scott at Liberty Optics. great guy. i dont get anything for this recommendation but he has had several long email conversations with me in the recent past trying to figure out what i want to upgrade to. he is a straight shooter and will even steer you into something he doesnt sell if its what is best for you. customer service is a lost art.

Slackinoff
01-28-2012, 00:26
D3s3rt, awesome post.

hogfish
01-28-2012, 04:26
It isn't an "issue", its supposed to be that way and with good reason. Because the reticle appears to change size as you change the level of magnification it means that you can use your reticle effectively at any magnification setting. With a second focal plane optic your reticle is only useful at a single power setting.

I posted this explanation of the versatility of an FFP mil/mil optic in another thread



Now that isn't to say that SFP scopes don't have their uses, if you're shooting benchrest or ELR you want as fine a reticle as possible to maximize your view of the target and your precision, but for almost any other type shooting FFP is the way to go.

Making sure that your turrets match your reticle is also key. Personally I prefer mils (also known as mrads) because it makes the math involved very simple and easy to do quickly in your head.

As for what optic to choose, there are lots of solid choices out there in the $1000 price range. This would be my choice

http://swfa.com/Vortex-6-24x50-Viper-PST-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P44559.aspx

However, there is another even better option if you're willing to look around. A few months back there was a huge group buy over on snipershide for the SWFA SS HD 5-20x50mm where it went for $1000 ($500 off the usual price). They are fantastic scopes, I bought one for my nephew to use on his first precision rifle (also a 700 AAC-SD). Its no S&B or USO, but it is by far the best $1000 optic I have ever used. You can find them for around the $1100 range NIB or LNIB over on the snipershide for sale forum pretty easily.

Scope at SWFA

http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-5-20x50-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P51642.aspx

Optics for sale at Snipershide

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=21&page=1

Review of the SS HD 5-20x50mm

SWFA SS HD 5-20X - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l26bDVQztRo&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)

SSHD 5-20x Production Model Review - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iEK-tVheg8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)

Thank you for the explanation. When he said "100-600 yds", I figured "...to maximize the view of your target and your precision..." was the 'issue', but there is obviously more to it than I realized.

:wavey:

failsafe
01-28-2012, 05:59
Might be a bit of over kill, but Nightforce makes some quality optics,,Not cheap,,I had one of these on a 50 cal sniper rifle...
5.5-22 x 56 NXS

BBJones
01-28-2012, 09:45
With a $1000 budget for everything. I would go with Weaver tactical 3-15 mil/mil illum or a Vortex PST.

Then get seekins base and rings.

$700 - Weaver tactical
$240 - Seekins base and rings

glockaviator
01-28-2012, 09:58
What is necessary in a sniper scope is:
1. Enough vertical adjustment to shoot out to 1000 yards. This is around 30moa of UP.
2. Zero stop. (So you can crank back to 100 yd zero and know where you are).
3. At least 10x magnification and more is better (up to 25x, no more than that is needed.

The MOA/Mil choice is up to the user, with Mils winning in popularity, but most of us have been using MOA, so its still a valid choice. Both work.

The Front Focal Plane/Second Focal Plane is up to the user, both work. Again FFP being the trend, though some have good reasons for SFP.

Plan on a 20moa picatinny rail base, that has become pretty much standard.

CheddarB
01-29-2012, 00:24
Vortex good products and great customer service...

DeepBlue
01-30-2012, 11:31
Thanks for all the input....

I went with the PST.

http://swfa.com/Vortex-6-24x50-Viper-PST-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P44559.aspx

D3S3RT_P3NGU1N
01-30-2012, 12:11
Thanks for all the input....

I went with the PST.

http://swfa.com/Vortex-6-24x50-Viper-PST-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P44559.aspx

Great choice :thumbsup:

Have you thought about what ammo you're going to shoot yet?

I really like the 175gr SMK and 155gr Scenars for 1:10 twist .308 rifles. If you aren't reloading yet Palmetto has some 175gr SMK FGMM at a good price

http://palmettostatearmory.com/308-762-ammo.php

If you want to try the 155gr Scenars then Southwest ammo is the place to go. Their own 175gr SMK loading is also excellent, but its a little more expensive than the 175gr SMK FGMM is going for over at Palmetto right now

http://www.southwestammunition.com/category_s/75.htm

DeepBlue
01-30-2012, 12:23
Thanks for the info about the 175gr SMK and others. Right now all I have are some 150gr remingtons to play with.