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cutler686
01-27-2012, 19:02
About a year ago I was forced to sell my AR10. I am left w/ a browning abolt in .338 that I used to use for Elk hunting (don't elk hunt anymore). I am thinking of selling the .338 as I don't like the 26'' barrel, and don't need such a large caliber for deer.

I am looking into trading the .338 for an M1A, to have 1 all around good hunting and target rifle.

My questing is; What do you think the best all around M1A barrel length is for deer and target shooting. I hunt in WI, so its mainly from a stand looking over a 100 yard corn field and an occasional drive of said field.

I like the trigger and the look of the M1A Loaded, but not sure if I like the sights. I really like the barrel length of the scout (hate my .338 26"), but not sure if I want to stray from the original M1A M14 barrel length.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. :dunno:

ArmoryDoc
01-27-2012, 19:17
I read of too many problems with the shorter barreled M1A's. I have the standard "Loaded" full sized gun and love it. Yeah, it's long but I have zero issues with accuracy or reliability with it. In fact, it is the most accurate rifle I have ever shot. I have mine mounted with a Nikon 4-12x40 Mil-Dot on a Sadlak mount. Range work or deer hunting, this gun is top notch.

Full size is the way to go. Happy shooting. :)

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cutler686
01-27-2012, 19:34
ArmoryDoc - She's a beauty! Thanks for your input.

ArmoryDoc
01-27-2012, 20:59
You bet Cutler. Thanks. ;)

adamg01
01-27-2012, 21:09
I read of too many problems with the shorter barreled M1A's. I have the standard "Loaded" full sized gun and love it. Yeah, it's long but I have zero issues with accuracy or reliability with it. In fact, it is the most accurate rifle I have ever shot. I have mine mounted with a Nikon 4-12x40 Mil-Dot on a Sadlak mount. Range work or deer hunting, this gun is top notch.

Full size is the way to go. Happy shooting. :)

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That is an awesome setup you have on that M1a. That is exactly what I would love to have if I ever go the .308 route. How much does it weigh in at?

ArmoryDoc
01-27-2012, 21:50
Well Adam, I don't know. I know one thing. It is heavy. It ain't like totin' around an AR. The Walnut plus the solid steel Sadlak mount and scope bump it up there. I'm gonna guess 12 1/2 pounds ? The M1A itself is 9 1/2 or so.

adamg01
01-27-2012, 21:55
Well Adam, I don't know. I know one thing. It is heavy. It ain't like totin' around an AR. The Walnut plus the solid steel Sadlak mount and scope bump it up there. I'm gonna guess 12 1/2 pounds ? The M1A itself is 9 1/2 or so.

I bet that would of been a chore lugging that thing with ammo through the jungles of Vietnam. I bet the soldiers felt better in a firefight with the ability to punch through the jungle over the 5.56 and the reliability factor.

M1A Shooter
01-28-2012, 01:01
i have had a loaded and a scout. i personally believe that the scout is the best all around gun inside 500 yards. you dont need the extra 200fps inside that distance, dont really need it out to 1K as ive seen 18" bolt guns shoot that far but i dont have that skill level. my scout was every bit as accurate as my loaded. i could hold 2moa all day with either of them shooting south african surplus ammo.

inside 100 yards, i would put an aimpoint in a low ring on the scout mount. this will keep it quick and handy. my second choice would be somehting along the lined of the vortex viper pst 1-4x. i currently have a millett dms 1-4x and its been great but i like the range finding abilities of the reticle in the pst as well as the moa/moa reticle/adjustment options. lifetime warranty isnt bad either. they also have a 2.5-10x that i have been eyeing but a bit more than i care for on an ar15 carbine.

i guess it would really depend on if you want a 100 yard walking around hunting/combat setup or a target setup as to which optic i would go with, reddot, low powered variable or high powered variable.

redcat11
01-28-2012, 07:23
I have a NM MIA and a Scout, after looking for a complement to my National Match I was really looking into a Socom, but I am glad that I got the scout instead. Scout is pretty much in between the Socom and NM for vesatility you still get the reach that you need and don't have that extra few inches of barrel to hinder you.

byf43
01-28-2012, 07:46
I read of too many problems with the shorter barreled M1A's. I have the standard "Loaded" full sized gun and love it. Yeah, it's long but I have zero issues with accuracy or reliability with it. In fact, it is the most accurate rifle I have ever shot. I have mine mounted with a Nikon 4-12x40 Mil-Dot on a Sadlak mount. Range work or deer hunting, this gun is top notch.

Full size is the way to go. Happy shooting. :)

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Very nice, ArmoryDoc!! Verrrrry nice!!

OP, my M1A is very similar to AD's. It has a Kreiger Hvy Match barrel and Nikon BuckMaster scope on it, in a Sadlak steel mount.
My M1A weighs just a few ounces less than 15 lbs, without magazine!!!

IF I had to do it all over again, I'd get a Scout/Squad M1A, but, I'd keep the Sadlak mount.

ca survivor
01-28-2012, 08:23
FAL anyone?

ArmoryDoc
01-28-2012, 09:34
That too. But the M1A blows it away in accuracy with the Sadlak and Nikon.

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ArmoryDoc
01-28-2012, 09:44
Cutler, if I was going to go shorter the only one I would consider is the Scout. The Socom, I think, gives up too much in performance and the rail can be problematic for accuracy by the complaints I read.

adamg01
01-28-2012, 15:41
The FAL has it's place as an iconic rifle of the 20th century but I would much rather have an AR10 or especially that M1A.

thisaway
01-29-2012, 12:47
I have a Scout model with the black synthetic furniture. It is much lighter and handier than the ChiCom M-14/S (which I gave to my dad). I have not discerned any real difference in accuracy between them either, but most of my shooting is within 200 yards, iron sights only.

Rally Vincent
01-29-2012, 13:02
Hunting? Target?

Standard length. All day. No need to get all stubby unless you're hunting out of your kitchen.

Bob Hafler
01-29-2012, 13:46
I bet that would of been a chore lugging that thing with ammo through the jungles of Vietnam. I bet the soldiers felt better in a firefight with the ability to punch through the jungle over the 5.56 and the reliability factor.
I know more than few VN Vets who were not very happy when they took there M14's away and gave them the unreliable at the time M16. Many thought they were giving up more with the M14 than they were getting with the M16. Don't take my word for it ask a couple VN Vets yourself who were forced to give up there M14's.

Frog1
01-29-2012, 15:01
I prefer the DPMS Oracle with a floated handguard. But I also like my Scout with the Aimpoint. The DPMs is slightly more accurate but the scout is just as accurate as a full size M1-A that is not matched tuned.

I plan on tunning the Scout later this year and maybe putting on a magnified scout type optic to increase precision and turn into a hunting type weapon.