Colt CCO vs. Dan Wesson CCO?

[Small Tony]

Hello all. I am having the urge to step up to mid level 1911 price wise. I REALLY like the Dan Weson CCO which is roughly $300 dollars more than Colt's.

To my untrained eye I see subtle difference for the higher price on the DW. One thing I would like to see on the colt is the larger thumb safety for example.

Anyway, I would appreciate any feed back or advice on these two guns.

[faawrenchbndr]

First off, I'm not a Dan Wesson fan.

However, the fit and finish of the DW CCO does place it above the Colt.
The DW is the clear winner between these two.

[glock2740]

DW hands down. The Colt CCO would make a great base gun, but the DW comes ready to go right out of the box. I love mine. :)

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/IMG_3594.jpg

[Three-Five-Seven]

What does the term "CCO" stand for or otherwise mean??

Thanks.

[glock2740]

It's a Commander size slide on an Officer size frame.

[faawrenchbndr]

What does the term "CCO" stand for or otherwise mean??

Thanks.


Colt coined it years ago,...."Concealed Carry Officer's"

[Small Tony]

DW hands down. The Colt CCO would make a great base gun, but the DW comes ready to go right out of the box. I love mine. :)

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/IMG_3594.jpg

Yes that was my exact thought also. If I did get the colt I would have to spend extra money on couple upgrades anyway. Might as well spend the extra money and get how I want it right out of the box.

I guess that answers my own question. Beautiful DW by the way...

[glock2740]

Thanks. :cool: You won't be dissapointed with the DW CCO. :thumbsup:

[glockin-45]

Thanks. :cool: You won't be dissapointed with the DW CCO. :thumbsup:
+1 I love my DWCCO. Nice build and very accurate. Handle both gun's and you'll know which is better.:cool:

[FLSlim]

I have the Colt CCO, but haven't shot the DW. First, the CCO size and weight (with LW frame) makes is a very good carry weapon. My Colt has run without a hitch through the first 1k rounds--lrn, fmj and jhp, but it isn't perfect (we each have our personal likes and dislikes, so not many guns are, I suppose). My biggest issue is that the trigger is heavier than I like and has a slight pretravel; overall, not nearly as nice as the triggers on my STIs. The sights aren't the greatest (std combat), but they certainly are adequate, and fit and finish are fine. So, if I wanted another CCO I wouldn't pass up the Colt if I wanted to save a few hundred. If I wanted to spend more, I at least would check out the DW CCO or the Colt Gunsite CCO.

[dragbike]

Love my DW CCO.

[knedrgr]

I've handled the Colt CCO, and it's just not my cup of tea.

But I do like CCO guns.

DW CCO
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/fourstardrift/Guns%20stuff/DW-CCO.jpg

SA Compact
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/fourstardrift/Guns%20stuff/9d5ee795.jpg

[PlasticGuy]

This is a tough call for me. I'm a huge fan of the CCO size 1911's. The first one I bought is a Les Baer Stinger. I love that gun, but it can get a little heavy at the end of the day.

For a lightweight version, I bought the Colt CCO. It is not as well fitted as the Dan Wesson. It is very reliable though, and more than accurate enough. I also like the short trigger and classic look and feel. That said, the DW is $300 more because the fit and finish is $300 better. I chose the Colt more for sentimentality than for pure performance.

[fnfalman]

I like the Colt Talo Edition CCO. Too bad mine shot three or four inches low and is right now back to Colt for fixing.

I like the small safety lever. I like the basic but visible iron sights. If I were to have my druthers, I would prefer for the beavertail grip safety to be replaced with a regular grip safety. And the plastic mainspring housing be replaced by a steel or aluminum mainspring housing. Otherwise, I like the gun's simplicity. The matte/brushed blued finish is both stylish and elegant.

The walnut grip is nice, except the "Colt" is cheesily done and the stipling doesn't do squat for friction. That mutha is going to be replaced by Esmeralda's full checkered grip panels soon enough.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Guns/Colt%20Talo%20Special%20CCO/ColtCCO023.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Guns/Colt%20Talo%20Special%20CCO/ColtCCO021.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Guns/Colt%20Talo%20Special%20CCO/ColtCCO032.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Guns/Colt%20Talo%20Special%20CCO/ColtCCO027.jpg

[PlasticGuy]

...The walnut grip is nice, except the "Colt" is cheesily done and the stipling doesn't do squat for friction. That mutha is going to be replaced by Esmeralda's full checkered grip panels soon enough...
I tossed the factory grips in my 1911 parts bin, and it now wears ivory grips I bought in Maui last summer. It looks very classy now. I really gotta take some pics...

[knedrgr]

This is a tough call for me. I'm a huge fan of the CCO size 1911's. The first one I bought is a Les Baer Stinger. I love that gun, but it can get a little heavy at the end of the day.

For a lightweight version, I bought the Colt CCO. It is not as well fitted as the Dan Wesson. It is very reliable though, and more than accurate enough. I also like the short trigger and classic look and feel. That said, the DW is $300 more because the fit and finish is $300 better. I chose the Colt more for sentimentality than for pure performance.


This was my same sentiment.

[glock2740]

the DW is $300 more because the fit and finish is $300 better.
I'd say the DW has more features as well. Checkered front strap and good 3 dot night sights are features that I like alot.

[awpk03s]

Dan Wesson makes the best production CCO option going today in my opinion - save for some high zoot semi custom guns.

[glock2740]

Dan Wesson makes the best production CCO option going today in my opinion - save for some high zoot semi custom guns.
The DW CCO is the best CCO for the money out there for sure. :thumbsup: Minimal roll marks, durable finish, lightweight, no FCS, single side safety, good trigger, great fit, rounded butt, front strap chainlink, good night sights, accurate, dependable, priced right (especially for what you get), no MIM (for those that care), reputable company with no CS issues that I can recall, etc., etc., etc....There. That's just a few things I can think of off the top of my head. :supergrin:

[pcc]

I have 3 CCO sized pistols, never had a problem out of any of them. Between the DW and Colt the DW has much better fit, finish, feels smoother when cycling and is more accurate. The colt went to the looser fitting = better reliability school.

If you want to get one just to have one get the colt, if it's going to be a carry gun get the DW. If you want one with all the bells & whistles get a bill wilson carry.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-S6Bnbe7OXJg/TBFffU3tZII/AAAAAAAACuw/OzlnvYGM0TU/s720/DSC03561.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-h_0tRKJqc9w/TNnAtpED3zI/AAAAAAAADYc/1_yRHNY6N0Y/s720/DSC04544.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-8FGFGb_HBH8/TWk-4qBwb3I/AAAAAAAAEBI/kwIto45QTe0/s720/wilson-carry.jpg

[glock2740]

Or, if you want a Wilson CCO, the way you want it, instead of the way Bill Wilson wants his, get an ULCc. :cool:

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/NewUltralightCarryCompact2004.jpg

[Gary1911A1]

I have a Dan Wesson CCO that I carry almost every day. I liked so much I purchased another one for just in case.

[sns3guppy]

I like my DW CCO, although it came tight enough out of the box that if failed to properly cycle, initially. It needs to be shot-in to function. It's tight.

[Small Tony]

Well here is the one or type I have been looking at. All over gunbroker they say it is a bobtail but it doesn't look like a bobtail to me. Mistaken?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=268054488

[glock2740]

Well here is the one or type I have been looking at. All over gunbroker they say it is a bobtail but it doesn't look like a bobtail to me. Mistaken?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=268054488
They call it a bobtail on the DW website. That's where the mistake comes in. DW needs to re-word their description, since it's a typo. It's clearly NOT a bobtail. They say the ECO has a "rounded bottom", yet it's the SAME frame as the CCO.

[bac1023]

First off, I'm not a Dan Wesson fan.

However, the fit and finish of the DW CCO does place it above the Colt.
The DW is the clear winner between these two.

:agree:

[Giggity]

I thought CCO = Colt Commanding Officer

????

[Nickpisp]

I thought CCO = Colt Commanding Officer

????


Nope.


http://collectorebooks.com/gregg01/coltpistol/Lot-843.htm


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b376/Nickpisp/DSC04412.jpg
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[Giggity]

That's a weird gun.


I'd own it though :)

[Small Tony]

What is the difference between the Dan Wesson Guardian .45 vs Wesson CCO. I see the Guardian is a little more in price. Is the only difference the slight bobtail in the Guardian? Thanks,

[glock2740]

What is the difference between the Dan Wesson Guardian .45 vs Wesson CCO. I see the Guardian is a little more in price. Is the only difference the slight bobtail in the Guardian? Thanks,
The DW CCO has a rounded butt and is an officer size frame with a commander size slide. The DW Guardian has a true bobtail and is a fullsize frame with a commander slide. Also the DW CCO has a chainlink frontstrap while the DW Guardian has a checkered frontstrap.

[Hawker Man]

Dan Wesson

[fnfalman]

That's a weird gun.


I'd own it though :)

It was a weird gun. The logic was to use the shortened slide for comfort and full grip length for control.

[hoser45]

Is the Dan Wesson CCO steel or alloy frame (or did it come both ways)?

[glock2740]

Is the Dan Wesson CCO steel or alloy frame (or did it come both ways)?
Aluminum frame.

[ca survivor]

DW hands down.

[hoser45]

I found one that's a 2009. Are there any significant improvements to the 2010 and later versions? How does Ceracote hold up in 2009 model?

[BFN]

Dan Wesson CCO is worth the extra $300. Tight fit with no play in the rails which translates to accuracy. Trigger is excellent - may even be too light for some at about 3.75 lb. Has night sights, no ambi, no front cocking serrations, and no FLGR. Some would prefer thin grips, an easy mod. Tough finish, reliable, 28.8 oz w/mag, good looking. Has everything I want and nothing I don't.

[glock2740]

Dan Wesson CCO is worth the extra $300. Tight fit with no play in the rails which translates to accuracy. Trigger is excellent - may even be too light for some at about 3.75 lb. Has night sights, no ambi, no front cocking serrations, and no FLGR. Some would prefer thin grips, an easy mod. Tough finish, reliable, 28.8 oz w/mag, good looking. Has everything I want and nothing I don't.
I agree. :cool: Here's mine.

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/IMG_3594.jpg

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/Gunsonthedeck007.jpg

[Paul7]

I like the Colt Talo Edition CCO. Too bad mine shot three or four inches low and is right now back to Colt for fixing.

I like the small safety lever. I like the basic but visible iron sights. If I were to have my druthers, I would prefer for the beavertail grip safety to be replaced with a regular grip safety. And the plastic mainspring housing be replaced by a steel or aluminum mainspring housing. Otherwise, I like the gun's simplicity. The matte/brushed blued finish is both stylish and elegant.

The walnut grip is nice, except the "Colt" is cheesily done and the stipling doesn't do squat for friction. That mutha is going to be replaced by Esmeralda's full checkered grip panels soon enough.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Guns/Colt%20Talo%20Special%20CCO/ColtCCO023.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Guns/Colt%20Talo%20Special%20CCO/ColtCCO021.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Guns/Colt%20Talo%20Special%20CCO/ColtCCO032.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Guns/Colt%20Talo%20Special%20CCO/ColtCCO027.jpg

I also can't stand the cratered lettering on Colts these days. They are good guns but don't compare with DW.

[hoser45]

I also can't stand the cratered lettering on Colts these days. They are good guns but don't compare with DW.

So you feel DW CCO's are better these days than Colts?

[glock2740]

So you feel DW CCO's are better these days than Colts?
Hands down and without a doubt.

[Paul7]

So you feel DW CCO's are better these days than Colts?

I have a Dan Wesson Valor and a Colt Commander and would say the Valor is a much better gun, and I'm sure the CCO would be too. I got my Valor for $1,350 delivered off Gunbroker, not a whole lot more than they're asking for new Colt's these days. It has a beveled slide, frontstrap checkering, nightsights, and just a better fit and finish that a Colt. The slim grips feel strange at first but I've never shot a 1911 more accurately. Before I bought I read that DWs have lower recoil due to their construction, and I found that to be true.

I handled a new Colt 70 series at a gun shop a few months ago and was amazed at how bad the trigger was.

[glock2740]

I have a Dan Wesson Valor and a Colt Commander and would say the Valor is a much better gun, and I'm sure the CCO would be too. I got my Valor for $1,350 delivered off Gunbroker, not a whole lot more than they're asking for new Colt's these days. It has a beveled slide, frontstrap checkering, nightsights, and just a better fit and finish that a Colt. The slim grips feel strange at first but I've never shot a 1911 more accurately. Before I bought I read that DWs have lower recoil due to their construction, and I found that to be true.

I handled a new Colt 70 series at a gun shop a few months ago and was amazed at how bad the trigger was.
Preach it brother! :cool:

[fnfalman]

I also can't stand the cratered lettering on Colts these days. They are good guns but don't compare with DW.

Especially when Dan Wesson guns cost more...

[fnfalman]

I have a Dan Wesson Valor and a Colt Commander and would say the Valor is a much better gun, and I'm sure the CCO would be too. I got my Valor for $1,350 delivered off Gunbroker, not a whole lot more than they're asking for new Colt's these days. It has a beveled slide, frontstrap checkering, nightsights, and just a better fit and finish that a Colt. The slim grips feel strange at first but I've never shot a 1911 more accurately. Before I bought I read that DWs have lower recoil due to their construction, and I found that to be true.

I handled a new Colt 70 series at a gun shop a few months ago and was amazed at how bad the trigger was.

My Lightweight Commander XSE was out the door for $950 brand new. I think that for another $400, I could have Colt or somebody done a few things to the Commander to make it the equivalence of the Dan Wesson.

[deadite]

First off, I'm not a Dan Wesson fan.

Wondering why.

deadite

[fnfalman]

Wondering why.

deadite

Maybe he prefers all-American product?

[Paul7]

Maybe he prefers all-American product?

DW is made in the US.

[deadite]

Maybe he prefers all-American product?

Oh snap! ;)

I know he likes Springfield Armory, though.

[glock2740]

My Lightweight Commander XSE was out the door for $950 brand new. I think that for another $400, I could have Colt or somebody done a few things to the Commander to make it the equivalence of the Dan Wesson.
Wrong. Hold the two side by side. Adding checkering or chainlink etc. to the frontstrap and good set of sights, which would cost about $400, doesn't make the Colt come close to what DW is putting out these days. Colt fell off the wagon many years ago and unfortunately will never make it back on. They build a great, but very over priced base gun. And that's about it. When you buy a Colt these days, you're just paying for the name.

[Rinspeed]

I think that for another $400, I could have Colt or somebody done a few things to the Commander to make it the equivalence of the Dan Wesson.




:faint:

[fnfalman]

DW is made in the US.

Methinks that the frame and slide are from a wee bit further East.

[fnfalman]

Wrong. Hold the two side by side. Adding checkering or chainlink etc. to the frontstrap and good set of sights, which would cost about $400, doesn't make the Colt come close to what DW is putting out these days. Colt fell off the wagon many years ago and unfortunately will never make it back on. They build a great, but very over priced base gun. And that's about it. When you buy a Colt these days, you're just paying for the name.

A good set of sights? The XSE comes with Novak's.

Checkering? Why? Does the gun need it?

I'm talking about Dan Wesson has better fit than Colt, and that can be remedied by spending $400 on the Colt to have the slide and frame tightened up.

Of course, I'm sure that Colt could do the same from the factory, if they were to jack the price up to Dan Wesson's level.

Get a Dan Wesson of similar price to the Colt and then compare.

[Gary1911A1]

I own both and would pick the DW CCO over the Colt CCO. The DW just has better features for me and the CCO is the best 1911 DW makes. I carry the DW CCO almost daily.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb75/Gary1911A1/100_0517.jpg

[Rinspeed]

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb75/Gary1911A1/100_0517.jpg



Cool holster, I have some nice holsters but none of them work better than the Talon.

[Gary1911A1]

Cool holster, I have some nice holsters but none of them work better than the Talon.

I certainly agree. Easy on and off, the nylon clip doesn't loose it's tension like a steel clip, and it rides at just the right height for me.:wavey: